Jack Grealish

[sausage]

I can't see how Villa keep him. Grealish wants to move, it would completely screw his career by staying at Villa in the championship for another season or two if not longer.

Does he? Read plenty to suggest he'd rather stay

 

[Lilbaz]

This is the problem with financial fair play. Villa now have very wealthy owners, if they really want to, they can keep grealish, break FFP rules and just pay whatever fine is given to them. Giving rich clubs a fine for spending too much money seems pointless, should be a point deduction to really effect the team.

I'm not sure what the punishment for a second breaking of the rules are, points deduction? Relegation?

I really don't know.

 

[Hoopspur]

Think it puts poor Jack in a dilemma. He wants to move but has stated, and clearly does, his love for Villa and their fans. The PR machine is going to have to work hard on his behalf. “I did it for the sake of the club” might not wash so much anymore.

 

[tiger666]

This is the problem with financial fair play. Villa now have very wealthy owners, if they really want to, they can keep grealish, break FFP rules and just pay whatever fine is given to them. Giving rich clubs a fine for spending too much money seems pointless, should be a point deduction to really effect the team.

They may also get a transfer ban.

 

[archiewasking]

They may also get a transfer ban.

Even more reason for someone who loves his club to stay, if they can't replace him?

 

[Japhet]

This is the problem with financial fair play. Villa now have very wealthy owners, if they really want to, they can keep grealish, break FFP rules and just pay whatever fine is given to them. Giving rich clubs a fine for spending too much money seems pointless, should be a point deduction to really effect the team.

I'd imagine they'd have to pay the fine out of their internally generated funds or else they are in contravention again. Any fine money would need to come straight out of their existing budget. In Villa's case I'd assume that would cripple their operating costs.

 

[worcestersauce]

Even more reason for someone who loves his club to stay, if they can't replace him?

If they sold him they'd avoid the ban so for someone who loves his club would leave.
I don't buy this penny pinching nonsense, if they refuse to sell him because they don't want to sell him then it isn't about penny pinching.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

If they sold him they'd avoid the ban so for someone who loves his club would leave.
I don't buy this penny pinching nonsense, if they refuse to sell him because they don't want to sell him then it isn't about penny pinching.

The issue might be that Villa need to generate £45m to square up their FFP and with Grealish realistically brining in the largest amount of that, should they not even out the rest of what's left to pay they would still face the same penalties

They might look at that and say what's the point we may as well keep him. All depends on the interest other teams have in their players and what the minimum they need to generate for FFP for their March deadline is

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

From the BBC website regarding QPRs FFP settlement:

'The settlement includes a £17m fine, paying £3m of the EFL's legal costs and the agreement from club shareholders to write off £22m of outstanding loans.

QPR will also be under a transfer embargo for the January 2019 window.

It is believed the EFL have agreed to a payment schedule over 10 years.

The London club's case relates to breaking spending limits on their way to winning promotion to the Premier League in 2014, with QPR's wages of more than £75m making up 195% of their turnover of £38.6m.'

So they have been able to put off paying their FFP fines since 2014 because they took it to court. They also only have to endure a transfer embargo for 1 window which is in January.

They've had to pay more but if Villa take this route with their new owners they can still in theory keep all of their players, continue to add to their squad, get back into the Premier League and then just miss out on one measly January transfer window 4 years down the line.

Bit of a joke if you ask me

 

[Ekmek]

If there was any real intention to make FFP effective it should not being fines but deduction of points already the first time. Second time you are moved down a league.

 

[bat-chain]

His contract expires in two years, Aston Villa can act like they hold all the cards if they want but they clearly don’t.

Can see why Levy is squeezing their balls, if Grealish informs them he won’t be signing an extension they will deal at whatever he wants within reason. They have so few genuine assets within the squad they simply can’t afford to let a 20m asset run down his contract with FFP as it is.

If Grealish signs a new contract things change obviously, but that would be a big risk for his career. Part of me would actually admire him for doing it. We know what it’s like with Kane, I don’t think any could begrudge him staying at Villa, if that’s what he wants.

Tough call for him but no doubt it will be his choice not Villa's.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

If there was any real intention to make FFP effective it should not being fines but deduction of points already the first time. Second time you are moved down a league.

The deduction of points doesn't make the football league money mate. Football is run as a business now & money talks with these bloodsuckers

 

[Ekmek]

The deduction of points don't make the football league money mate. Football is run as a business now & money talks with these bloodsuckers

Yes but as a fan that would be the preferred way of doing it.

 

[Ekmek]

In the end of Grealish chooses to stay at Villa, all credit to him for being true to his childhood club.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Yes but as a fan that would be the preferred way of doing it.

If football clubs and the league really cared about the fans they wouldn't bring out new kits every year to rip fans and their loving nature off. The fans mean nothing to teams and leagues other than bums on seats and £££ rolling in

 

[RJR1949]

There was a football finance expert on talksport that said they impaired quite a few assets a while back (training ground, etc...) they could easily revalue to market value which could be an FFP workaround for them.

I'm not fully convinced as I thought FFP was purely player related spending only and infrastructure was fair game. This guy seemed to know his stuff though, he wasn't a washed up old player like most on that station.

You are right and the “expert” on TalkSPORT is wrong - fixed asset valuations are excluded from the FFP calculation. In any case you can’t just write up the value of an (impaired) asset without having a really good objective justification for the increased value.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

In the end of Grealish chooses to stay at Villa, all credit to him for being true to his childhood club.

Very big risk for him as he'll be 24 when the next Premier League season is played should Aston Villa gain promotion.

Loyalty is a wonderful trait and if he does stay fair play to the kid for not losing sight of his initial dream should that have purely been to play for Aston Villa. If he had other aspirations like testing himself to see how good he truly is he'd probably have to take the plunge as he won't be playing football for a top 10 Premier League team for another 4-5 years should Villa go up and get relatively good investment. Footballers careers are very short, he'd definitely be choosing his heart over his head should he stay a Villian

 

[Ekmek]

Very big risk for him as he'll be 24 when the next Premier League season is played should Aston Villa gain promotion.

Loyalty is a wonderful trait and if he does stay fair play to the kid for not losing sight of his initial dream should that have purely been to play for Aston Villa. If he had other aspirations like testing himself to see how good he truly is he'd probably have to take the plunge as he won't be playing football for a top 10 Premier League team for another 4-5 years should Villa go up and get relatively good investment. Footballers careers are very short, he'd definitely be choosing his heart over his head should he stay a Villian

Yes but Im a real football romantic. And even becoming more so after being blessed with the saga of Kane.

 

[RJR1949]

This is the problem with financial fair play. Villa now have very wealthy owners, if they really want to, they can keep grealish, break FFP rules and just pay whatever fine is given to them. Giving rich clubs a fine for spending too much money seems pointless, should be a point deduction to really effect the team.

The FFP rules in the EFL have changed.

The assessment will now be in March using estimated figures and the punishments available include a points deduction in the current season, demotion from automatic promotion to the play-offs and exclusion from the play-offs.

The new owners at Villa can’t just buy their way out of the problem.

They will have to sell players at a book profit and their most saleable asset is Grealish.

 

[worcestersauce]

Loyalty works both ways and if Villa have led him to believe he could leave for a Premier league and Champion league club but have now gone back on that he is entitled to feel they don't have his best interests at heart.
I get that it is his club but if he is a premier league player he shouldn't be wasting his time in the championship, if we were stuck in the championship with our finances fucked up and after three years down there one of our players came to the decision it was time to leave I'd completely understand and support them.
Jack Grealish has proved his loyalty and if he is undecided I have absolutely no doubt that his advisors aren't.