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mike_l

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...all.html?in_article_id=502090&in_page_id=1779

As far as I am aware Arnesen was still around when Davis came back from his knee injury, so both Santini and Arnesen had not gone when he came back as the Daily Mail reckons, is it that hard to get your facts right in any situation, let alone when it's your bloody job.

As for Davis' ascertion that Defoe would be top scorer if he was playing and that he is "one of the most clinical finishers I have seen", since when was lashing the ball straight at the keeper or high and wide (occasionally in the net) clinical finishing, though I suppose he has only really witnessed the likes of Marlet, Rasiak, Nugent and Benjani attempting to be clinical, I am convinced that Benjani will soon revert to his old self and the goals will dry up btw, hence he is on my list.

Davis also does a disservice to Keano with that comment, Defoe has had chances and not taken them, whilst Keane has carried the goal scoring burden through long spells consistently for 3 years now, Keane scores goals, Defoe scores and contributes less, bottom line.

For some reason this article really wound me up even though there are countless others every day, perhaps some overpaid, anti-Spurs div has earned yet another paycheck for this pointless and inaccurate cack and inadvertently broke the camels back. Anyone else agree or am I being particularly touchy?

As a side note, I am glad that this article was not based on Mendes, I remember him fondly, whereas Davis I remember more as a bitter, gobby chav who moaned when he left, despite not being in Carrick's league, that he wasn't given a chance by Jol, and in fact had a lot of negative opinions of Jol that he couldn't wait to mouth off about back then. I am glad that the memory of Pedro has not been tainted.

To summarise, I hate Sean Davis........and journalists.
 

yanno

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Anyone else agree or am I being particularly touchy?

I'm sure plenty will agree with your reaction, although I don't. For me, the only surprizing aspect of the piece was that Davis said, "I thought Martin was a great coach and got the best out of the players."

Given Jol clearly didn't rate Davis or give him a chance, I think that shows that Jol must have been generally liked and respected by the players.

As for Davis thinking Defoe is a great finisher - well, that's his opinion. Like you, I'm not sure JD is a great finisher, precisely because he tends to blast, rather than place, his shots. But I don't have a problem with Davis saying it, and I don't think it's necessarily intended as a slur on the other players.
 

yiddotilidie

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Fair enough mate. But my god Keane is partial to missing the occasional sitter!!

I think you are being harsh on Defoe.
 

mike_l

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I didn't mean it as a dig at Defoe, I just cannot understand this myth that Defoe is clinical, it was perpetuated by Jol for years, claiming he was the best finisher in England despite often having him on the bench for lengthy spells, I actually like Defoe and want him to stay and regain his form from the first year he was with us, he is a dangerous player capable of scoring goals, but clinical is one thing he definitely ain't, clinical players are consistent with their finishing, and rarely miss penalties.

Also I did not mean that I thought Davis was slating Keane, but that whoever is not playing, commentators and pundits, especially the likes of Ian Wright, talk as though it is a bizarre decision to have defoe or Bent on the bench and say they should be starting, paying no attention to the form of those on the putch, do they want us to play four strikers? Keane and Berbatov is our most productive and best matched strikeforce, they play off eachother as a pair, the other combinations are just two srikers who happen to be playing for the same side.
 

DC_Boy

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Keane and Berbs are our no.1 strikers - defoe is not a clinical finisher - jimmy greaves was a clinical finisher

on the whole Bent offers more than JD - but I can see it could be justified to start JD tomorrow - and best of luck to him and all Spurs players :) COYS
 

Stoof

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I'd rather have Keane than Defoe.

So ... so ... I win?

How strange this new feeling ... :wink:

Agreed - and a tad harsh on JD, who did get us the three points last week by lurking and powering a shot home.

As for the original post, well, like the cause of all bad in the World, it comes from the Daily Mail - what did you expect?

Journalism?? Don't be silly.
 

PT

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Keane and Defoe are different styles of player. Keano drops deep and runs and weaves etc whilst Defoe will play off the last man's shoulder, so to speak. A lot of Defoe's opportunities to score merit taking pot shots when that opportunity arises. Statistically some of those shots will be plastic hoolywood while others, like last weekend's will find the net, through legs and past bodies.
 

Kendall

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So are you disagreeing? Are you saying Keane doesnt miss the occasional sitter? Id rather have Keane than Defoe, but im also realistic mate....

Keano does

But Keano does more than just score goals, Defoe doesn't so when he misses a sitter, he really his doing his only job badly.
 

mike_l

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I think the part that annoys me most is that someone who can barely string together a sentence, nevermind infuse it with insight, relevence and factual information, is making what I assume is a pretty good living from this garbage, they would be better off printing off a list of forum threads and discussions, having said that, I think a lot of them do, so why is this numpty earning a good wedge for it?

Back to football, I actually like Defoe, unfortunately he needs more games than he is gonna get in order to find his form, and I would start with him this weekend, but it's sods law that whoever out of him and Bent starts will have a shocker or do nothing, then the other will come on and make an impact, then perhaps start the next game and the opposite will occur.
 

yanno

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I think the part that annoys me most is that someone who can barely string together a sentence, nevermind infuse it with insight, relevence and factual information, is making what I assume is a pretty good living from this garbage.

Probably not making that good a living. Why do you think I've been so active on SC recently? :eek:mg:

Also, see BOF's and my comments on who actually writes this shite for the Daily Mail in this thread:
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=24144&page=2

Media (TV, radio, print, internet) is an increasingly project-based, freelance industry. When you're working, you're working all hours without overtime pay. When you're not working, you're not paid. And Jonathan Woss recently joked that he's "worth 1000 BBC journalists" - because that what his pay works out as...
 

justfookinhitit

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As I said on another thread here I like to use the Daily Mail every day, but it does leave huge amounts on newsprint on my arse.

Clinical finishers we have had at Spurs are Greaves, Clive Allen and Lineker. None of Keane, Defoe, Berbatov or Bent are in that category.
 

mike_l

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To be honest, who gives a toss what Sean Davis thinks.

Not me, I think that may have made it even worse, crap article written by a crap journalist about a crap player who's opinion I don't care about, so I had to vent some rage. Football journalism should be heavily scaled back outside the Transfer windows and post match, which would prevent dross like this seeing the light of day. I know most of the transfer rumours are B.S or never likely to happen, but they at least provide some entertainment.
 

nickspurs

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Sean Davis needs to learn to be a pro and accept being rejected. That's what being a professional is about - you move on and don't bad-mouth people.

I recall that I was trying to defend his signing by Spurs to my gooner brother-in-law. He just scoffed and said that an England B international was hardly a world class signing. I think he had a point...
 

mike_l

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To be honest I think he is probably still gutted things did not work out for him here, but like you say, he needs to grow up and get over it, it's nothing to do with him how Jol got sacked or whether Defoe plays or not, though in fairness he was probably prompted by the interviewer. On that subject, hope I didn't cause offence with any journo remarks, but this one is particularly bad. Can anyone confirm that Arnesen was still around when davis returned from injury, I'm convinced he was, certainly that Comolli was not, but my memory is going fuzzy at the old age of 22.
 

yiddotilidie

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So ... so ... I win?

How strange this new feeling ... :wink:

Agreed - and a tad harsh on JD, who did get us the three points last week by lurking and powering a shot home.

As for the original post, well, like the cause of all bad in the World, it comes from the Daily Mail - what did you expect?

Journalism?? Don't be silly.

You really will never let me live this down will you? :shake:
 
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