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An article written about allegations of racism authored by a journalist named Ladyman. It's like this article was especially designed to give my older family members heart attacks.
Me neither, but someone said they heard it at this game at the time, so it could be that.Does that song get sung much these days, I genuinely can't remember the last time I heard it.
Does it matter if it was wrong? We don't want to discourage people calling discrimination out. If there's no evidence, then there's no evidence. Draw a line under it and move on. We don't need an apology or anything.
The whole point to this, and to things like #MeToo and what not, is to wholesale change casual attitudes of discrimination/exploitation/abuse. To challenge even the smallest example of prejudice (which the apologists would call "banter"), in order to put a permanent end to the extremes (slavery, rape, genocide etc).
So fuck the Daily Mail's thinly veiled attempt to demonise Rudiger and the likes of Neville and MOTD for daring to have a pop at the politicians. The mail are speaking to their reader base, trying to maintain the Nationalist narrative set by themselves and the goverment they support.
If Rudiger had been ginger no one would have given a shit what was said to him!
Seeet Jesus, not this one again.
That's true, and true of web forums in general. We're all different colours, ethnicities, ages, have different life experiences etc., All of that defines our world view and much more.People aren't ready to handle a debate about racism on here, they never will be.
i was joking btw
Does it matter if it was wrong? We don't want to discourage people calling discrimination out. If there's no evidence, then there's no evidence. Draw a line under it and move on. We don't need an apology or anything.
The whole point to this, and to things like #MeToo and what not, is to wholesale change casual attitudes of discrimination/exploitation/abuse. To challenge even the smallest example of prejudice (which the apologists would call "banter"), in order to put a permanent end to the extremes (slavery, rape, genocide etc).
So fuck the Daily Mail's thinly veiled attempt to demonise Rudiger and the likes of Neville and MOTD for daring to have a pop at the politicians. The mail are speaking to their reader base, trying to maintain the Nationalist narrative set by themselves and the goverment they support.
What a load of barely legible shite.Yes, it matters if he was wrong Spurs have been labeled racist! If he was right then yes it is unacceptable a player has to endure that!
So is there potentially irony in that Rudiger is the racist for treating a load of white people like racists because they are white. Bloody hell this is a nightmare!
If Rudiger had been ginger no one would have given a shit what was said to him!
I completely agree though racism is unacceptable so are death threats and the abuse players get it should not just be the racism which is singled out players are human and all deserve protection.
What has stuck? That someone might've been a neanderthal ****?The danger with that is 'mud sticks'. Calling out discrminiation is fine but it is such a dangerous thing to say without considering the repercussions if it turns out to be absolutely nothing...
I dont actually know how this situation has been concluded or wther there is still further investigation and if it is by an independent body/review etc.
It matters hugely if it's not corrected, in that we'll see an escalation in sanctions against the club, if only because politicians enjoy being seen to call for action. The media narrative is that Spurs fans were guilty of racially abusing Rudiger within minutes of the incident, so who's going to stick up for us the next time someone thinks he's heard something?
With all the cameras and stewards something would have been caught like at every other ground it has happened at, we can not take his word as proof without evidence, so it’s a free pass for anyone to say they heard 1 person out of 60000 make a racist remake or noise? What a future we have ?
People aren't ready to handle a debate about racism on here, they never will be.
I'd like to think Rudiger wouldn't lie about it and I'd prefer to think he mis-took the boos for monkey chants, or, as it has been mentioned here previously, heard the who let the yids out song and thought it was monkey chants which is very easily done with that particular song.
I think the benefit of the doubt must be given to Rudiger here if it we are unable to prove any racist abuse from any of our fans, I really don't think he would make it up, it would be utterly moronic to do something like that.
Guessing you don't get to many games? That's been in existence for several years.Id like to see clubs set up a whistleblowing text number - with an instruction that people seeing/hearing racist behaviour should raise the issue through a text, citing their seat number and description of the incident and approximately where it is coming from.
Does it matter if it was wrong? We don't want to discourage people calling discrimination out. If there's no evidence, then there's no evidence. Draw a line under it and move on. We don't need an apology or anything.
The whole point to this, and to things like #MeToo and what not, is to wholesale change casual attitudes of discrimination/exploitation/abuse. To challenge even the smallest example of prejudice (which the apologists would call "banter"), in order to put a permanent end to the extremes (slavery, rape, genocide etc).
So fuck the Daily Mail's thinly veiled attempt to demonise Rudiger and the likes of Neville and MOTD for daring to have a pop at the politicians. The mail are speaking to their reader base, trying to maintain the Nationalist narrative set by themselves and the goverment they support.