I guess people who want to see the ‘most entertaining’ team in the world’s most popular league of the world’s most popular sport play at the best stadium in the country…Who are these never ending tourists visiting Tottenham anyway.
This is pretty much where I've got to as well.I'm probably seen as a defender of the Levy regime. Probably fair enough. My underlying reasoning for that was he wouldn't be sabotaging the club from within as that's literally his fortune. Why would he do anything to harm that? I'd say that's grounded in logic.
The line had been trending upwards. Post-Poch I had a wobble, but I understood Mourinho coming in. Levy had been after him since he flew over in his helicopter to go to Chelsea the first time. I then understood Conte. A fresh "win now", specific tactic manager with a new-stadium-fuelled cash injection. (I did not understand Nuno in the middle of that).
That all came tumbling down.
Poch was right; painful rebuild required - a new-stadium-fuelled cash injection-based rebuild, post-Kane. Let's move on, blow the cobwebs away and give it to the project guy. Attacking football. None of this low block nonsense that we're terrible at watching as it's not Bale, Ginola, Gascoigne, Hoddle, Ardiles - the stuff that's in our blood.
It looked like we were starting to do that. New look team. Vic, Udogie, VdV, Sarr, Mads, BJ. Then promising start to this summer. Bergvall and Gray excellent kids - Solanke, the big man up top. But then the brakes went on. A "cheap" option in Odobert. No back-up goalie. A light defence. Excellent outs, but ins were a bit "hmmmm".
But I don't think what anyone gambled for was this slump in virtually all senior players. All of them. Currently it's Spence, Bergvall and Gray (and Kinsky as we haven't ruined him yet) that come out with any real positives.
The players are physically ruined. Whether that's because of his training methods or the squad depth - probably column A and column B.
However, he's not been backed financially when he just needed to be. It's something I forgave him for doing with Conte. But I won't forgive it now. His system requires players that have cyborg hamstrings or we just need an army of them.
Long story short: we've run out of variables. We've changed the manager, the playing staff, the recruitment staff, the stadium, even the preferred baguette supplier. There's one thing that's been a constant.
And that's ENIC. Nothing will ever change - and I know that people have been saying that since 2008. And wonderful that you were right. But I know I've been to a Champions League final. Countless semi finals - watch us challenge for the league twice (the league!!) - there is credit for that isn't there? Well maybe not actually, maybe it was unbelievable fortune that we had assembled the squad we did, and had the youth products we did and we just didn't take the full advantage of it. God that's even more depressing.
Sorry for the tl:dr. I felt like I needed it. X
Almost like if we wasn't so reactive in the market and didn't wait 3 weeks to even consider signing an outfield player there may have been less competition
This is Tottenham's biggest crisis in 20 years - and Levy is to blame
A series of catastrophic missteps from Levy have led the club to this point
Oliver Young-Myles
January 20, 2025 4:42 pm (Updated January 21, 2025 1:15 pm)
Throughout Enic’s near quarter-of-a-century custodianship of Tottenham Hotspur, there have been a few occasions when the club has looked to have hit rock-bottom.
There was the time they took two points from the first eight games of the 2008-09 season. The end of the Mauricio Pochettino era. The Super League debacle. Harry Kane’s dejection at the end of the miserable Covid campaign. Trailing 5-0 at St James’ Park after just 20 minutes.
The agony of cup final and semi-final defeats, missed opportunities and unsuccessful title tilts. Off the field, frequent ticket price rises and the slashing of concession rates.
Sunday’s defeat at Goodison Park felt like the lowest point Tottenham have sunk to in decades.
Everton had failed to score in nine of their previous 11 league fixtures before facing Spurs and yet managed three in the first-half against their calamitous visitors.
Dismal as the performance was, what happened post-match proved beyond doubt that everything is now broken.
As captain Son Heung-min trudged over towards the away fans, head bowed and palms faced inwards in apology, he was met with an avalanche of boos as people shouted “w****r”.
Without being in the midst of it, it is unclear whether the insults were being directed towards Ange Postecoglou, stood a few metres away, Son, or both, but it still made for a tragic scene.
One of the greatest players in Tottenham’s history, a loyal servant for almost 10 trophyless years, stood disconsolate against a wall of frustration and rage.
The numbers make for brutal reading. It was Spurs’ 12th Premier League defeat of the campaign, matching last season’s tally with 16 games still to play. It leaves them 15th in the table, behind “the worst Manchester United team in history” and a West Ham side that has a goal difference of -16.
Of the five clubs below them in the table, only Ipswich Town haven’t yet changed their manager. Everton are just four points behind with a game in hand. Spurs have only won one of their last 10 league matches and that was against a Southampton team so bad they are threatening Derby County’s all-time record low points tally.
One of the rarely discussed low points of the club’s modern history was when fans hurled their season tickets onto the pitch during a 4-0 defeat to Blackburn Rovers at the end of the 2002-03 campaign.
At least the digitised tickets will spare Daniel Levy such ignominy for Sunday’s relegaton six-pointer with Leicester, but he may want to invest in some noise-cancelling headphones in any case. Chants against Levy are becoming increasingly fervent.
The atmosphere for that game will almost certainly be uncomfortably toxic, befitting of the club’s worst crisis in two decades.
The move to the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium was supposed to herald a glorious new age for a team and a club on the up. Nearly five years since moving in they are a million miles away from where they started.
A series of catastrophic missteps from Levy and the club’s hierarchy have led the club to this point. Failing to build upon a broadly encouraging first year under Postecoglou is a recent addition to the list.
The summer transfer window was a failure. Of the five players signed, only Dominic Solanke was categorically first-team ready. Archie Grayand Lucas Bergvall have impressed in trying circumstances and will be the future of the club, but more quality and depth were required given 16 players departed.
January hasn’t been much better. Antonin Kinsky looks like an astute purchase, but the lack of outfield signings three weeks into the window, when the squad is decimated and Postecoglou has frequently called for reinforcements, has prompted fury among the fanbase.
While Spurs have invested in potential in recent windows, the squad for the here and now is still far too thin to compete on multiple fronts. There are currently 11 first-team players out injured, although Rodrigo Bentancur and Yves Bissouma may return this weekend.
There are still fans backing Postecoglou to turn things around, although their number is rapidly dwindling.
There is some sympathy, albeit stretched to breaking point right now, that the Australian has not been sufficiently helped in the transfer market to oversee a post-Kane rebuild and deal with an unprecedented injury crisis.
There is merit to that, but equally Spurs still have more quality than they have shown lately.
Levy has afforded Postecoglou far more time than other managers have had. As Postecoglou himself admitted after last week’s defeat to Arsenal, results have been “unacceptable” regardless of the circumstances in which they have come.
If, or when, Levy decides to pull the trigger, Postecoglou won’t have much of a defence.
Spurs have won 19 and lost 24 of their last 50 Premier League games and rank 12th out of 17 ever-present teams for points – level with Crystal Palace – over that period. Only West Ham, Wolves and Brentford have conceded more goals.
They are averaging 1.09 points per game this season. That equates to 41 points over 38 games. For context, the club’s worst points total in a Premier League campaign is 44, set in 1997-98.
The level of patience being shown to Postecoglou from above was nowhere to be seen when things started to turn sour under Pochettino. The Argentine was fired just six months after leading Spurs to a Champions League final.
Postecoglou’s steadfast belief in his philosophy has also looked increasingly misplaced as the heavy defeats have mounted. Spurs have been routinely punished for being far too open and far too naive.
On the rare occasions he has mixed things up, like playing a back three at Everton, it has backfired even more.
Perhaps the reason that Postecoglou is still in a job is that Levy is well aware of how it reflect on him if he were to be dismissed. Spurs have burned through 11 permanent managers during Enic’s 24 years, at a rate of one every two seasons.
They have appointed every type of manager in that time. Promising up-and-comers (Pochettino and Andre Villas-Boas); historic winners (Jose Mourinho and Antonio Conte); tactical idealogues (Postecoglou and Glenn Hoddle); a veteran man manager (Harry Redknapp); head coaches to work under sporting directors (Jacques Santini and Juande Ramos); a glorified interim (Nuno Espirito Santo, now working wonders at Nottingham Forest). They have even hired from within (Martin Jol and Tim Sherwood).
Nothing has worked, at least over a prolonged period. Redknapp and Pochettino came closer than most to steering Spurs to glory but fell just short. Ramos is the only one to have won anything and a League Cup triumph aside, his tenure was a disaster.
Levy is the best-paid director in the Premier League. He has run Spurs superbly as a business, transforming them into one of the world’s most lucrative clubs.
Only Manchester United generate more matchday income than Spurs in the Premier League. They are “market leaders” at establishing commercial revenue streams, according to football finance expert Kieran Maguire.
However, he has also overseen historic failings on the pitch. One trophy this century is a dreadful return for a club of Spurs’ history and resources.
Postecoglou probably wasn’t the right appointment, judging by results over the past 12 months. But the trajectory of his Spurs career is no different to those who came before him. A succession of managers haven’t succeeded. Would Andoni Iraola or Marco Silva fare any better under this regime?
Sacking Postecoglou may help arrest the Spurs slide in the short run. There is plenty of talent to work with even accounting for an overstocked treatment room. But would it really fix anything long-term? Over two decades’ worth of evidence suggests a repeat of the boom and bust cycle is far likelier.
Perhaps Levy was right when he crowed at a sham supporters forum that “we’ve got our Tottenham back.” Spurs have come full circle. In the intervening quarter century since ENIC’s takeover, Levy has become a billionaire, and the team is right back where they started — 15th place, firmly ensconced in mid-table, and more likely to join the relegation fight than any charge for the title. It is a shocking, horrific example of corporate greed over social and sporting custodianship. He would have fired himself a thousand times over by now, had football ever been even a tangential parameter by which he was judged. But he isn’t. Profit, revenues, margins are the only thing that matter to Tottenham’s board of “footballing” directors. Levy, Cullen, Collecott et al., none have any expertise or even interest in football beyond financial gain. Tottenham Hotspur in its modern incarnation is little more than a real estate investment company masquerading as a multi-sport entertainment venue, feeding off the fading legacy of hundred and forty year old football club.It’s simple. We’ve got our Tottenham back.
Daniel Levy
There used to be a football club over there
Keith Burkinshaw
I don't know about tourists, but I know about overseas fans. I live in a smallish town in eastern Canada near Halifax. I have heard many personal stories from acquaintances/people from work/friends/friends of friends etc that have travelled all the way to UK to see their beloved teams play. I have heard about trips to see Spurs, as well as Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man United, and even West Ham. In Canada we can watch every premier league game for $200 a year (which is pretty inexpensive) and therefore there are a lot of fans. No you take my little town and multiply that by about 100 and I can see that there would be lots of overseas fans making the pilgrimage to the premier league every week. And that's just Canada. The US is 30X bigger than us.Who are these never ending tourists visiting Tottenham anyway.
I've said this before but the most unforgivable thing an owner can do is kill the fan's desire, hope and happiness for their club.https://worldofhotspur.com/the-death-of-tottenham-hotspur/ .
When the final whistle descended at the Emirates last Wednesday, signaling the end of yet another dismal, ineffectual North London Derby performance, there was no rage, no anger, no bitterness. Just a collective shrug of indifference from a fanbase who knew exactly what was coming, and was finding it increasingly hard to care. The sense of disillusionment was palpable.
In many ways, this is perhaps the most telling legacy of Daniel Levy and ENIC’s ownership of Tottenham Hotspur. Generational fans replaced by tourists, hardcore supporters supplanted by day-trippers, and tribalism succumbing to apathy.
Expectation has been curtailed. Hope has been extinguished. This is a fanbase, and a club, that no longer dares to dream, let alone do. It was the 6th defeat in the past 8 North London Derbies. The 3rdconsecutive defeat — for the first time in Premier League history. The 5th time Arsenal have done the double over Spurs in a single season; the 2nd in Mikel Arteta’s tenure. Tottenham’s miserable run of 1 away win in the past 31 games, stretched to 32. And yet the man overseeing all of this failure just gets richer and richer, his pockets deeper and deeper.
The reality is that Arsenal are no longer our rivals. They operate in a different stratosphere in terms of ambition and on field competency. The great irony, of course, is that in terms of financial power, Spurs are not just their equals, but their superiors. And yet in terms of expectations and drive to succeed, we have more in common with the likes of Fulham and Brentford, than Arsenal and Chelsea.
What was once a fiercely contested local rivalry — amongst the biggest in football — has devolved into a one-sided farce. Arsenal barely got out of second gear, and yet looked light years ahead of us. One look at the respective wage bill for each club, at their record signings — indeed at their recruitment in general over the past few years, confirms the underlying reasons. Arsenal shop at the top table of European football, Spurs shop at Poundland.
When the team fell to Everton on Sunday, their 12th defeat of the season, their 6th in the past 8 games, continuing a dismal run of 1 pt from the past 18, even then there was no real shock. There certainly was no reaction from the club.
The truth is that Daniel Levy doesn’t see success as on field victories. Success to him arrives in pound, and more recently, dollar signs. His eyes are trained westward, casting envious glances at the NFL, and the way in which American sports is commercialized and milked. He sees more room for financial growth in his shiny new cash cow, and he is singular in his focus.
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This highlights the single biggest problem at Tottenham Hotspur. Daniel Levy, its supposed chief executive, isn’t judged on results on the pitch. He never has been. The goals of Tottenham and ENIC (the investment fund of which he is part owner) are diametrically opposed. Success on the pitch requires spending on top transfer fees and high wages — pesky expenses that eat away at the margins the investment firm wants to see. He is rinsing this club, using it to siphon profit into a myriad of shell companies, many of which he and his cronies are also shareholders of. Daniel Levy and his disgraced, federally charged mentor, Joe Lewis, have created a self-sustaining financial racket that will line their pockets for decades to come.
Despite all this, however, there have always been appearances to maintain. The superficial notion that Tottenham remains at least interested in footballing matters. Today, even the pretense of competing is gone, the illusory jolts of ambition he once issued through his various mouthpieces now all but vanished. He has learned over time that fans, media, and the public at large don’t really care for genuine scrutiny, so why bother?
Levy was once the most trigger happy chairman in football. Acting like a mafia boss, firing his managers the minute things went awry. In recent years, some of the biggest names in world football have been relieved of their duty. Pochettino was fired after years of turning water into wine, years of overachieving. Even reaching a first ever Champions League final counted for nothing in the end. Mourinho was inexplicably fired with the team in 7th, and with a League Cup final less than a week away. Nuno, whose Forest side currently sit 11 places and 17 pts above Tottenham, was fired in 8th. Antonio Conte was actually 4th at his time of sacking.
Ange Postecoglou sits 15th in the table. He has the lowest PPG this season of any manager in Spurs history — yes, lower even than Christian Gross. His side have lost as many games (12), at this stage in a season than any other Spurs side in history. The only three sides in the Premier League to have lost more this season, Wolves, Leicester, and Southampton, all sit in the relegation zone. He’s lost 12 games out of the last 22; taken 30pts from the last 84 available; 1 win in 9 — against bottom club Southampton. The stats, whichever way you slice them, make for horrible reading.
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His side are not just displaying relegation like form — they are statistically one of the worst sides in the league, and actively drifting into a relegation fight. And yet…the Australian is not only still here, but appears to retain the full backing of the ownership. The club are apparently perfectly fine with what should be an entirely untenable situation.
So what changed? Largely the stadium, and the head-spinning revenues it now brings in to line ENIC coffers. Despite the team’s woeful form, the tills are still ringing and the money still streaming in. Football has become so much of an afterthought, that even languishing near the relegation zone doesn’t hasten the powers that be into action. Scott Munn, who apparently does exist, Johan Lange, the technical staff — all just a facade to distract while the executives pilfer as much profit as possible.
But also, aside from football’s decreasing importance at Tottenham Hotspur football club; there is the issue of personality. While Ange appears a broken man now, the latest to fall foul of football’s equivalent of Voldemort, a malevolent being who sucks all sporting life force from victims until all that’s left is a cold, grey husk…he is still singing from the Levy hymnbook. He’s not speaking in riddles about how badly he’s been backed, like Poch, or outright lampooning him in front of the world, like Conte. Externally at least, he’s still taking the blame and insisting he can get it right with whatever he’s given. This is music to Voldem—Levy’s ears, and as long as that remains the case, anything bar actual relegation will likely suffice. In Levy’s Tottenham, it isn’t excellence or competency that’s required from managers; it’s obedience.
In many ways the current situation is a microcosm of what Tottenham has become. Fail to back some of the most decorated managers in the game, but show unwavering support to a man whose greatest achievement was winning the Scottish SPL; a league ranked globally lower than the MLS. The truth is that Postecoglou being hired in the first place was a damning indictment of how low the standards have fallen at this club. A near 60 year old journeyman from Australia, whose managerial CV includes stints in the A-League, J-League and Scottish SPL, was never top of the list. The Aussie admitted as much himself. But when Arne Slot demanded assurances on backing, Levy baulked. Slot is now sitting pretty with Liverpool at the top of the table, Postecoglou is staring worryingly downwards in 15th. It’s yet another sliding doors moment for Tottenham Hotspur, where their chairman has again gone the cheaper, easier route, and killed any genuine chance of success the club might have had. Ange was the cheapest, easiest, most pliable manager on the list, which explains not just why he was hired, but more worryingly, why he’s still here.
And while penny-pinching on players has been a hallmark of the ENIC era, the one thing they used to at least attempt was in hiring proficient managers. Levy’s mantra was always to bring in top managers and have them overachieve with underfunded squads. Even that act of self-preservation is now gone. Where once at least the semblance of on-field competency, and top-level pedigree, was required; now only fealty to the ownership — the continued refraining from ever daring to point the fingers at the lack of backing, is needed.
The unavoidable reality is that the seeds of this latest defeat — and indeed the larger pattern of relegation form — were sown long ago. This is years of mismanagement, years of neglect, coming home to roost. This is an ownership who’s checked out, a fanbase who no longer cares.
While everyone could see at the end of last season that major improvements were required to a squad that limped home — especially with the increased load of European football — Levy saw the summer’s recruitment as a cost-cutting exercise. He got rid of a raft of experienced players on high wages, and replaced them with kids on peanuts. In total, as Tottenham’s revenues swelled to record levels, their financial position firmly established among Europe’s best, Levy slashed over £40m from the wage bill. What was already the lowest wage-to-turnover ratio in the Premier League got even lower. Even Postecoglou’s appointment itself is looking like an attempt to reign in costs after the expensive appointments of Conte and Mourinho.
Whether priming for a sale, or simply fattening his own margins, the move to lower the wage bill at a time when bold, ambitious recruitment was desperately required was audacious even by his standards. Tantamount to the waving of a white flag for even attempting to compete at the top of the table.
And the trend of chronic neglect continues. With more than half of the January window already gone, the squad decimated by one of the worst injury crises in recent history — itself a product of both managerial incompetency and boardroom neglect — and Tottenham sitting significantly closer to the relegation zone than the Top 4…Levy has deigned to sign a grand total of zero outfield players. Forget about the LB, RB, LCB, striker, and attacking players that the club should have signed in the summer — no one, nada, zilch. The sheer levels of neglect and indifference are astonishing.
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Daniel levy has killed everything that was once great about this club. The bravado, the style, the panache, the trophies, and the glory. All consigned to the past, lost among the scrapheap of history, a mere footnote in the commercial juggernaut that has consumed this famous football club. He may have succeeded in his goal, but he is only allowed to continue because of the indifference of a numb, beaten down, and fractured fanbase. He has broken the club so systematically that few dare to even ask for more now.
Being charged the highest ticket prices in the land to watch relegation level football? Sure. Seeing concessions for the elderly and disabled slashed? No problem. Watching the level of the squad deteriorate to a standard never before seen in the modern era? Who cares?! The standards have fallen so low that one has to wonder: where is the floor now — not just for this ownership, but perhaps more pertinently, for this fanbase? Where is the point at which fans actually take a stand and rise up against what is inarguably the greatest threat this football club has ever faced? We all know what Levy’s end game is. We all know that until he’s milked and exploited the club for every conceivable penny, and drained it dry, he will likely not leave. He is sitting drunk on profit, giddy with success, perfectly fine in his gilded castle of property and event management. Increasing revenues while lowering the wage bill should have been seen as an act of war. Instead it was greeted with the same muted apathy and indifference as always.
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We should have listened when Harry Kane left. A kid born just miles from White Hart Lane, who grew up in the academy, and became one of our own. Who wound up so disillusioned with the levels of ambition of the owners, so profoundly frustrated, that he left his home country entirely, and fled to the Bundesliga. He sounded the warning for years, imploring the club to match his ambition and at least try to become competitive. Did they care? Even boyhood academy products are eventually forced to leave in search of success; in search of a club actually interested in delivering trophies. Kane likely saw what Levy had planned — wage cutting, loan signings, free transfers, etc, and said enough is enough. He’d suffered through enough false dawns, being forced to play through injury, and having to work with a new manager every 18 months to know better. In truth it’s nothing new; Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, Bale, Walker, Eriksen, etc — top players have always had to leave this graveyard of ambition and competency. The only surprise is that the one man at the top of the tree, the one common denominator, still gets away with it. One has to wonder how many other ownerships in football would watch the world’s best striker spawn unexpectedly from their academy, and use him not to spearhead their club to success, but as a crutch on which to stand still.
The harsh truth is that Harry Kane was the only thing standing between Spurs remaining marginally competitive, and falling into mid-table mediocrity. With him gone, it’s difficult to imagine Tottenham as anything other than also-rans. Short of making up for the chronic lack of ambition that forced him to leave, Levy has used his departure as an opportunity to tighten the ship, slash costs, and generally bring the entire level of the club back down to more manageable (profitable) levels. It’s a shameful, disgraceful dereliction of duty from a man whose sole purpose should be to ensure the on pitch success of Tottenham Hotspur.
Levy once said that the stadium would enable Tottenham to compete with the elite. Did he mean in the Forbes list? The Deloitte money league? Because those are the only lists the club have actually moved up on. On the pitch, where it actually matters, the team is moving inexorably backwards. Remember the 90s? No, this isn’t like the 90s. This is worse. We won trophies in the 90s. We had hope. We signed world class players. We have none of that now. All we have is a gleaming corporate theme park, and a relentless, multi-headed money printing machine.
Perhaps Levy was right when he crowed at a sham supporters forum that “we’ve got our Tottenham back.” Spurs have come full circle. In the intervening quarter century since ENIC’s takeover, Levy has become a billionaire, and the team is right back where they started — 15th place, firmly ensconced in mid-table, and more likely to join the relegation fight than any charge for the title. It is a shocking, horrific example of corporate greed over social and sporting custodianship. He would have fired himself a thousand times over by now, had football ever been even a tangential parameter by which he was judged. But he isn’t. Profit, revenues, margins are the only thing that matter to Tottenham’s board of “footballing” directors. Levy, Cullen, Collecott et al., none have any expertise or even interest in football beyond financial gain. Tottenham Hotspur in its modern incarnation is little more than a real estate investment company masquerading as a multi-sport entertainment venue, feeding off the fading legacy of hundred and forty year old football club.
It is now abundantly clear where football sits on the list of priorities at ENIC investment corp — if it makes it on there at all. A cursory glance at Tavistock group’s list of corporate entities — and Tottenham’s respective position —illustrates this clearly. The warning signs we’ve all seen over the past few years, of drifting back into mid-table mediocrity — or worse — have become a reality. And the saddest, most damning part of all, is that none of this is by accident. The club is exactly where it’s meant to be; exactly where its owners have put it.
It might seem like hyperbole, but for many of us who grew up supporting this great club, the club we once loved is now long gone. Until the rot is removed at its source, it will continue to fester, eating away at its foundations, eroding its DNA, and tarnishing its name until there is nothing left to consume.
Never have Keith Burkinshaw’s words been more apt.
A lot of fans were calling for Poch to be sacked.
I was one of those foolsSadly. What fools. I said it at the time.
ST holders should be happy there are so many tourists and other mugs buying up their tickets atm!!
You're a damn-sight more honest than many for saying that. Frankly, if anyone is entitled to make such 'mistakes' (or harbour such opinions) it is supporters. We want the team to win. We want success. We want great football. We want it all. But the 'professionals' running our club don't get an inch from me. Poch was sorely taken for granted and simultaneously ignored/rebuffed as the club threw all their attention into the stadium build. I mean, I'm just going over old and repeated ground so apologies, but IF Levy was actually a smart and decent operator in the football side, he'd have taken the hit and parted ways with Poch in the summer. When he didn't, I foolishly thought that he had seen the error of his ways and was finally going to let the geezer who helped get the stadium built have a chance to get some of the benefits of it and keep us a regular top 4 club. Alas, he sold everyone out. Me, you, Poch, for that lying whore Mourinho. Anyway...your honesty should not be left unacknowledged, and as a fan, it happens because we don't know and we let our emotions sway us as much as logic (I was always smitten with Poch, what he did for us, how he did it). But Levy and co? No excuses. None.I was one of those fools![]()