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yido_number1

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Poch was wanted out
By a minority and
In the stadium there wasn’t much drive for his sacking. Frustration yes a lot. Online there seemed more clamour for him to go. Poch went because Jose was available and Levy had a crush on him for years and that was the chance, Poch to be fair to Levy also did seem a bit burned out so you can see issues combined why he took the chance.
Agree, just the usual drivel wanting their next toy. I don't think Poch was burned out, just tired of dealing with Levy I'd imagine.
 

Chello90

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Almost like if we wasn't so reactive in the market and didn't wait 3 weeks to even consider signing an outfield player there may have been less competition

 

ginola99

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Oh boo f@cking hoo. Levy is the reason why we're here in the first place with the below par squads and needs to go. Are they seriously leaking this sh!t about Arsenal's injuries impacting our attempts to sign players to the media? I am done.
 
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Dov67

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Almost like if we wasn't so reactive in the market and didn't wait 3 weeks to even consider signing an outfield player there may have been less competition


Competing in the transfer market for players and persuading them to join your club over other clubs is kind of fundamental to the game itself.

Its like saying "our attempts to win the game were complicated by the oppositions' persistent attempts to score a goal"
 
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spursfan77

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You just have to wonder, if there will ever reach a breaking point with the fans.
Maybe relegation is the only way 🤷🏼‍♀️

I put my Leicester tickets on the exchange last night and they were gone within half an hour. Just goes to show there will always be someone to take the tickets even when we are really terrible.

Relegation would get rid of the tourists but in terms of everything else financially it would be a disaster that would takes years to recover from. Loss of tv money, sponsorships, players, the stadium debt etc.
 

Ruducus

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Almost like if we wasn't so reactive in the market and didn't wait 3 weeks to even consider signing an outfield player there may have been less competition


This type of headline always crops up by gooners are a bunch of wierdos and they love to imagine this narrative where they undermine us in very convoluted ways. Stems from us selling Bale got them Ozil.
 

Dzejkob

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Almost like if we wasn't so reactive in the market and didn't wait 3 weeks to even consider signing an outfield player there may have been less competition


Oh well its hard you know. Winter transfer windows is always tricky. We dont want to buy if we dont feel it will improve the team. Some deals are dependent on others hence its difficult to close deals in this period. We have common vision which we want to stick to. We are trying to help Ange.


Ohhh and lessons have been learned.
 

joshua_snodgras

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The fact that levy hasn't sacked ange after poor results and performance, is for me refreshing, even if ange may still fall foul it potentially points to a levy self evaluation of what hasn't worked and a change of approach to his previously failed approaches.
However, the cynic in me has just had a thought, and I think and the more I think about it, the more it make sense : In the same way that he has extended sons contract, which considering his current t form could be seen as continuation of asian revenue streams (which must be massive) then not pulling the trigger on Ange could also be the Australian revenue streams as he knows he must be hoovering up the fans from there too. Many clubs are looking there for end of season tours etc, so by having the manager it's the ultimate marketing for that population. Maybe not the soul reason but potentially playing a part with his decision making....
 

MR_BEN

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this is almost too dumb to write but here it goes anyway;

could it actually be that it’s a strategy from enic to be underperforming (not challenging, winning) so the possible upside for a new ownership that goes in with more money is higher??

No - it would give a buyer every reason to offer a lower price, or use it as a negotiating tactic,
 

Ruducus

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I'm probably seen as a defender of the Levy regime. Probably fair enough. My underlying reasoning for that was he wouldn't be sabotaging the club from within as that's literally his fortune. Why would he do anything to harm that? I'd say that's grounded in logic.

The line had been trending upwards. Post-Poch I had a wobble, but I understood Mourinho coming in. Levy had been after him since he flew over in his helicopter to go to Chelsea the first time. I then understood Conte. A fresh "win now", specific tactic manager with a new-stadium-fuelled cash injection. (I did not understand Nuno in the middle of that).

That all came tumbling down.

Poch was right; painful rebuild required - a new-stadium-fuelled cash injection-based rebuild, post-Kane. Let's move on, blow the cobwebs away and give it to the project guy. Attacking football. None of this low block nonsense that we're terrible at watching as it's not Bale, Ginola, Gascoigne, Hoddle, Ardiles - the stuff that's in our blood.

It looked like we were starting to do that. New look team. Vic, Udogie, VdV, Sarr, Mads, BJ. Then promising start to this summer. Bergvall and Gray excellent kids - Solanke, the big man up top. But then the brakes went on. A "cheap" option in Odobert. No back-up goalie. A light defence. Excellent outs, but ins were a bit "hmmmm".

But I don't think what anyone gambled for was this slump in virtually all senior players. All of them. Currently it's Spence, Bergvall and Gray (and Kinsky as we haven't ruined him yet) that come out with any real positives.

The players are physically ruined. Whether that's because of his training methods or the squad depth - probably column A and column B.

However, he's not been backed financially when he just needed to be. It's something I forgave him for doing with Conte. But I won't forgive it now. His system requires players that have cyborg hamstrings or we just need an army of them.

Long story short: we've run out of variables. We've changed the manager, the playing staff, the recruitment staff, the stadium, even the preferred baguette supplier. There's one thing that's been a constant.

And that's ENIC. Nothing will ever change - and I know that people have been saying that since 2008. And wonderful that you were right. But I know I've been to a Champions League final. Countless semi finals - watch us challenge for the league twice (the league!!) - there is credit for that isn't there? Well maybe not actually, maybe it was unbelievable fortune that we had assembled the squad we did, and had the youth products we did and we just didn't take the full advantage of it. God that's even more depressing.

Sorry for the tl:dr. I felt like I needed it. X
It sounds like we have a fairly similar view on this.

The one thing I would say is you can't ignore the wider changes to the league since 2008. City being a massive one, but also just all the clubs having a lot more money.

This season is an exception. in 15 years we've finished outside of the top 6 twice, this will be the 3rd time & we've finished in the bottom half 2 times in 20 years.

As a club we have performed as expected. I think the problem is Levy & Enic's tenure can probably described as 'whelming'. Not overwhelming or underwhelming. We've come very close to doing something amazing. We've had a couple of seasons above our expected and a couple of seasons below our expected.

He's never been prepared to take major risks, which has meant we've never really had an unprecedented peak or seen that risk fail and have an unprecedented failure.

I think the big problem we are seeing now, is a lot of clubs are prepared to take that risk & have the money to really go for it. Now you've got the standard top 6. Plus you've got Newcastle & Villa - big clubs spending. Then you've got Brighton, Forest, Brentford who are able to relatively speaking spend enough money to get close to our level of squad.

The premier league now is saturated with talent.

What was once adequate spending & planning to maintain our status, isn't anymore & Levy hasn't adapted to that.

Just compare us to Aston Villa. 2019-2020 We have just been in a champions league final & they have just got promoted back to the premier league. Our spending is relatively similar. The calibre of player brought in, Villa's is better. The managers again similar.

It's not like 8-10 years ago. The margin of error is way smaller. Back in the day outside of the top 6 it was rare a club brought in a manager or player good enough for the top 6 - Now a lot of the clubs do it, every window & not only that, they don't have to sell them.

When we spend £0 in the market - 6 clubs spent over £100m. This season 13 clubs spend over £100m It's a different league & Levy needs to get better.
 

aliyid

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I put my Leicester tickets on the exchange last night and they were gone within half an hour. Just goes to show there will always be someone to take the tickets even when we are really terrible.

Relegation would get rid of the tourists but in terms of everything else financially it would be a disaster that would takes years to recover from. Loss of tv money, sponsorships, players, the stadium debt etc.
Was chatting about this yesterday, some people saying we should stop going to the game as that'll show Levy...

It's actually more profitable for the club if season ticket holders don't go as the ticket gets picked up by a tourist who'll no doubt get there early buy a shirt, programme & a souvenir from the club shop, stay around after the game for a few drinks to soak up the full experience.
 

TheHodFather

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this is almost too dumb to write but here it goes anyway;

could it actually be that it’s a strategy from enic to be underperforming (not challenging, winning) so the possible upside for a new ownership that goes in with more money is higher??
I don't think they're deliberately underperforming as such, but having a lot of PSR headroom would definitely be attractive to new owners that were looking to compete.

I'm also not sure how much money there actually is readily available to spend. If you look at the recent accounts, we''re making a large accounting loss which is basically equal to the write-down on the stadium. Strip out the write-down on the stadium and we're basically breaking even over the last few years.

I think the issue is that Lewis/Tavistock won't put their hand in their pocket, Levy can't put his hand in his pocket because Spurs is basically the only asset he has and he doesn't really have any other money. So that would only leave the option of borrowing money, and I think we're restricted on what we can do there by the terms of the stadium debt.

And that's why we're looking for outside investors.
 

spursfan77

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Was chatting about this yesterday, some people saying we should stop going to the game as that'll show Levy...

It's actually more profitable for the club if season ticket holders don't go as the ticket gets picked up by a tourist who'll no doubt get there early buy a shirt, programme & a souvenir from the club shop, stay around after the game for a few drinks to soak up the full experience.

I do spend quite a bit when I’m at games in fairness but not that much. Cheaper on my own, that’s for sure!

The amount of tourists is a concern, it definitely hits the atmosphere.
 

Rout-Ledge

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Jul 29, 2005
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Was chatting about this yesterday, some people saying we should stop going to the game as that'll show Levy...

It's actually more profitable for the club if season ticket holders don't go as the ticket gets picked up by a tourist who'll no doubt get there early buy a shirt, programme & a souvenir from the club shop, stay around after the game for a few drinks to soak up the full experience.
Presumably the idea is that season ticket holders don’t re-sell their tickets and leave empty seats….
 

Stamford

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Sep 15, 2015
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Almost like if we wasn't so reactive in the market and didn't wait 3 weeks to even consider signing an outfield player there may have been less competition



As if we are considering buying players at this level anyway. More bullshit excuses
 

southlondonyiddo

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Nov 8, 2004
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I put my Leicester tickets on the exchange last night and they were gone within half an hour. Just goes to show there will always be someone to take the tickets even when we are really terrible.

Relegation would get rid of the tourists but in terms of everything else financially it would be a disaster that would takes years to recover from. Loss of tv money, sponsorships, players, the stadium debt etc.
ST holders should be happy there are so many tourists and other mugs buying up their tickets atm!!
 

For the love of Spurs

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It sounds like we have a fairly similar view on this.

The one thing I would say is you can't ignore the wider changes to the league since 2008. City being a massive one, but also just all the clubs having a lot more money.

This season is an exception. in 15 years we've finished outside of the top 6 twice, this will be the 3rd time & we've finished in the bottom half 2 times in 20 years.

As a club we have performed as expected. I think the problem is Levy & Enic's tenure can probably described as 'whelming'. Not overwhelming or underwhelming. We've come very close to doing something amazing. We've had a couple of seasons above our expected and a couple of seasons below our expected.

He's never been prepared to take major risks, which has meant we've never really had an unprecedented peak or seen that risk fail and have an unprecedented failure.

I think the big problem we are seeing now, is a lot of clubs are prepared to take that risk & have the money to really go for it. Now you've got the standard top 6. Plus you've got Newcastle & Villa - big clubs spending. Then you've got Brighton, Forest, Brentford who are able to relatively speaking spend enough money to get close to our level of squad.

The premier league now is saturated with talent.

What was once adequate spending & planning to maintain our status, isn't anymore & Levy hasn't adapted to that.

Just compare us to Aston Villa. 2019-2020 We have just been in a champions league final & they have just got promoted back to the premier league. Our spending is relatively similar. The calibre of player brought in, Villa's is better. The managers again similar.

It's not like 8-10 years ago. The margin of error is way smaller. Back in the day outside of the top 6 it was rare a club brought in a manager or player good enough for the top 6 - Now a lot of the clubs do it, every window & not only that, they don't have to sell them.

When we spend £0 in the market - 6 clubs spent over £100m. This season 13 clubs spend over £100m It's a different league & Levy needs to get better.

Levy is sort of our Arsene Wenger or Jose, not at their level obviously and a chairman not a manager but someone whose ways might have been good for decades prior but look very outdated now. Managers get stale or past it, seems chairman do as well. Sadly their is no accountability for a chairman who is minority owner.
 

Finchyid

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ST holders should be happy there are so many tourists and other mugs buying up their tickets atm!!
I never get this tourist mentality. If a ST holder doesnt go and sells their ticket does that person buying the ticket then become a tourist ?
 

Stamford

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I never get this tourist mentality. If a ST doesnt go and sells their ticket does that person buying the ticket then become a tourist ?

Not necessarily but increasingly there are more tourists at the ground. I don't think that's really up for debate. It's not a Tottenham only issue and it doesn't mean they aren't real fans but it definitely dilutes the atmosphere and it will lead to there being little if any season ticket holders eventually
 
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