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peispurs

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Chat GPT is on board...


If you and a large section of the Tottenham Hotspur fanbase want to push for a change of ownership and leadership at the club, you can take several strategic steps to make your voices heard and influence change. Here are some effective actions:

1. Organize Unified Fan Protests

  • Demonstrations: Peaceful protests outside the stadium (before or after matches) can draw attention from the media and stakeholders.
  • Banners & Chants: Visible messages inside the stadium during matches can put public pressure on the board.
  • Boycotts: A coordinated effort to boycott merchandise or match tickets can impact revenue, forcing the club to take notice.

2. Engage with Supporters' Trusts and Groups

  • Work closely with organizations such as the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust (THST) to formalize concerns and engage in dialogue with the club’s hierarchy.
  • Supporters' trusts often have existing communication channels with the club and can help amplify collective concerns in a structured way.

3. Social Media Campaigns

  • Use hashtags like #LevyOut, #ENICOut, #BackSpursProperly to generate widespread online momentum.
  • Engage influential football media figures and ex-players to amplify the message.
  • Create petitions demanding new ownership and circulate them online to collect signatures.

4. Engage with Media and Journalists

  • Write open letters to major sports news outlets (Sky Sports, BBC, The Athletic) to highlight your concerns.
  • Encourage fan-led podcasts, YouTube channels, and blogs to keep the topic in discussion.

5. Direct Appeals to Potential Buyers

  • Some fan groups have successfully engaged with potential investors through open letters or social campaigns, expressing their desire for a change in ownership.
  • Research and highlight credible alternatives to ENIC ownership.

6. Financial Pressure

  • Reducing the club's revenue streams by boycotting matchday purchases, merchandise, and official sponsors.
  • Avoiding ticket renewals in large numbers could also send a strong message.

7. Legal and Governance Channels

  • Explore avenues through legal and regulatory bodies such as the Premier League Owners' and Directors' Test, or lobbying for government intervention similar to fan-driven changes seen at other clubs.

8. Maintain Momentum and Unity

  • Consistency is key; sporadic protests may not work, but sustained and organized actions over a period of time will increase pressure.
  • Ensure the movement remains united with a clear and constructive message for the future of the club.
Would you like guidance on forming an action plan or drafting messages for fan campaigns?
Is this all that Chat GPT offers? Seems pretty restricted to me. I can think of lots of other ways off the top of my head to get rid of "leaders". If you look at history, many leaders were murdered/assassinated/killed. Blackmail, "honey pots", having a trusted advisor use their insider information to destroy the leader all spring to mind. Ian Fleming had some really great ways of getting rid of leaders, and Bloefeld looks a lot like our dear chairman.
 

jakuba

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What I can’t understand is how divergent we are from clubs who’ve undertaken similar steps in recent years.

In the 2000s and beginning of the 2010s I always looked at Atletico Madrid as a Spanish counterpart of ours. We were historic clubs who were often overshadowed by more successful and wealthier local rivals. We then both had similar upward trajectories though they had a lot more success in actually winning trophies but still they didn’t have the means of their rivals so would still be underdogs in spite of any success.

They were moving to a new stadium to give themselves a boost to compete with their wealthier rivals as were we and it happened when we were seemingly at the height of our upward trajectory.

But since our respective moves they have gone the way I had hoped we would. They are able to pay huge fees and huge salaries to players that now let them compete on a level playing field with Real Madrid and Barcelona with Simeone even saying they can’t be the peoples’ club anymore given their means.

Meanwhile we seem even more financially hamstrung than ever, despite being in a more economically beneficial league, and city allowing us to benefit from non-football events. Our wage budget is getting slashed every year and our transfer budget seems smaller every year to match our evidently shrinking ambitions.

On face value is it simply Levy does not want to push us on to be successful? Because I can’t believe he’s doing everything their board are doing. It can’t be it’s harder to succeed in Spain than here given they’re competing with Real Madrid and Barcelona who in the last 15 years with the odd exception have been the best teams in the world.

We have the finances that match nearly everyone in the league bar the state owned clubs. Yet our wage structure would be uncompetitive in 2012, we make the same transfers we’ve been making for years. The stadium has changed nothing on the pitch for us when it has changed everything for Atletico. The board and Levy simply needs to answer for what they are doing because it is the opposite of everything we’ve been told would happen which is even more damning when we see how these sort of moves can transform clubs.
 

cjsimba

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I think we won’t spend in Jan, then sack Ange early Feb. Then Levy’s excuse will be he didn’t want to spend in Jan on players for a manager who was on the verge of the sack.

Saves him another transfer window of expenditure.

I wrote this on 9th December as a bit of a joke.

Jokes on me now 😞
 

Klinsmannesque

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You can either be stranded on a desert island with Daniel Levy or Sol Campbell, who you picking?
I saw Sol Campbell in Cornwall the day after we sold Harry Kane. He walked past me whilst I was trying to enjoy a nice cold beer out the front of the cottage I was staying in, looking out at the harbour. I don’t condone giving him verbal abuse in the street at all because I like to believe I’m above that. But he did get one hell of a stink eye
 

VoteMe4Prez

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Is he deliberately just trying to get us relegated? I mean surely it doesn't make sense for him financially or in any way
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I'm probably seen as a defender of the Levy regime. Probably fair enough. My underlying reasoning for that was he wouldn't be sabotaging the club from within as that's literally his fortune. Why would he do anything to harm that? I'd say that's grounded in logic.

The line had been trending upwards. Post-Poch I had a wobble, but I understood Mourinho coming in. Levy had been after him since he flew over in his helicopter to go to Chelsea the first time. I then understood Conte. A fresh "win now", specific tactic manager with a new-stadium-fuelled cash injection. (I did not understand Nuno in the middle of that).

That all came tumbling down.

Poch was right; painful rebuild required - a new-stadium-fuelled cash injection-based rebuild, post-Kane. Let's move on, blow the cobwebs away and give it to the project guy. Attacking football. None of this low block nonsense that we're terrible at watching as it's not Bale, Ginola, Gascoigne, Hoddle, Ardiles - the stuff that's in our blood.

It looked like we were starting to do that. New look team. Vic, Udogie, VdV, Sarr, Mads, BJ. Then promising start to this summer. Bergvall and Gray excellent kids - Solanke, the big man up top. But then the brakes went on. A "cheap" option in Odobert. No back-up goalie. A light defence. Excellent outs, but ins were a bit "hmmmm".

But I don't think what anyone gambled for was this slump in virtually all senior players. All of them. Currently it's Spence, Bergvall and Gray (and Kinsky as we haven't ruined him yet) that come out with any real positives.

The players are physically ruined. Whether that's because of his training methods or the squad depth - probably column A and column B.

However, he's not been backed financially when he just needed to be. It's something I forgave him for doing with Conte. But I won't forgive it now. His system requires players that have cyborg hamstrings or we just need an army of them.

Long story short: we've run out of variables. We've changed the manager, the playing staff, the recruitment staff, the stadium, even the preferred baguette supplier. There's one thing that's been a constant.

And that's ENIC. Nothing will ever change - and I know that people have been saying that since 2008. And wonderful that you were right. But I know I've been to a Champions League final. Countless semi finals - watch us challenge for the league twice (the league!!) - there is credit for that isn't there? Well maybe not actually, maybe it was unbelievable fortune that we had assembled the squad we did, and had the youth products we did and we just didn't take the full advantage of it. God that's even more depressing.

Sorry for the tl:dr. I felt like I needed it. X
What a fantastic post and summary mate 👏
 

rossdapep

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What I can’t understand is how divergent we are from clubs who’ve undertaken similar steps in recent years.

In the 2000s and beginning of the 2010s I always looked at Atletico Madrid as a Spanish counterpart of ours. We were historic clubs who were often overshadowed by more successful and wealthier local rivals. We then both had similar upward trajectories though they had a lot more success in actually winning trophies but still they didn’t have the means of their rivals so would still be underdogs in spite of any success.

They were moving to a new stadium to give themselves a boost to compete with their wealthier rivals as were we and it happened when we were seemingly at the height of our upward trajectory.

But since our respective moves they have gone the way I had hoped we would. They are able to pay huge fees and huge salaries to players that now let them compete on a level playing field with Real Madrid and Barcelona with Simeone even saying they can’t be the peoples’ club anymore given their means.

Meanwhile we seem even more financially hamstrung than ever, despite being in a more economically beneficial league, and city allowing us to benefit from non-football events. Our wage budget is getting slashed every year and our transfer budget seems smaller every year to match our evidently shrinking ambitions.

On face value is it simply Levy does not want to push us on to be successful? Because I can’t believe he’s doing everything their board are doing. It can’t be it’s harder to succeed in Spain than here given they’re competing with Real Madrid and Barcelona who in the last 15 years with the odd exception have been the best teams in the world.

We have the finances that match nearly everyone in the league bar the state owned clubs. Yet our wage structure would be uncompetitive in 2012, we make the same transfers we’ve been making for years. The stadium has changed nothing on the pitch for us when it has changed everything for Atletico. The board and Levy simply needs to answer for what they are doing because it is the opposite of everything we’ve been told would happen which is even more damning when we see how these sort of moves can transform clubs.
It's really odd and pisses me off no end.

Big clubs make multiple 50m+ signings in a single window nowadays.

Or they make a 80m one and several 40m ones.

We seem to do one 50-60m one and then a couple under 30 and maybe a couple more around 10-18m.

Last window not even that.

We've done 2 signings at 60m since the Ndombele disaster - Solanke and Richarlison.

Neither are elite players.

You simply have to pay up for elite quality.

Okay we refuse to do that. But why not sign 2 or 3 players at 50-60m like what Arsenal and Liverpool do?

They always bring in players threatening to break through and be the next elite player or ones that would really boost them from a system perspective (Rice, Partey)

We walk away as soon as we don't like the deal cause it doesn't sit well with the owners.
 

thePessimist

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this is almost too dumb to write but here it goes anyway;

could it actually be that it’s a strategy from enic to be underperforming (not challenging, winning) so the possible upside for a new ownership that goes in with more money is higher??
 

SUIYHA

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While I agree, what you’re asking is people who have paid for their season ticket to not go, and make sure nobody takes their seat. It is a lot of money to throw away. Maybe if it could be coordinated for one game?

That's sunk cost fallacy. If you booked an expensive room at a fancy 5 star hotel, then realised it was rat infested, the pool was out of service, there was a major sewage leak and they were going to be doing loud building works above your room all week - are you still gonna go? If you realised these issues had been there for years and they hadn't bothered to fix them, are you gonna book the same hotel next year?

No other industry works like this. Consumer capitalism forces businesses to stay competitive and be on top of their game to maintain their customer/audience loyalty. But in football - people keep buying their tickets, filling the stadium, buying the beer and the merch, and the £££ keep rolling in. So what exactly is the incentive for the management to change their way of working?
 

JamieSpursCommunityUser

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I’m not a BSoDl anymore by any means but how does he have responsibility for an under performing team, he isn’t on the training ground, he isn’t in the dug out. Out position in the league lies at the feet of the manager and most of all the players. I’d say on paper man for man we should be at least top 6-8.

We as fans need to take responsibility for where we are, we crucified Nuno before he even had a game, not good enough we said, shit football we said, not a big enough name we said, look at him now.

Sounds like those BSoDL withdrawal symptoms are kicking in.

Next thing you know you'll be Jones-ing for a 2015 net spend league table. One which excludes wage:turnover %. Just one more hit and I'll give it up I swear!

Ange has made errors. Somewhat under duress with targets / expectation dwarfing player resources. But rushing players back. Not playing Spence until Udogie snapped etc.

The reality is ENIC have not put together a squad fit for purpose since Abu Dhabi bought City. That changed the risk profile / return on investment for ENIC spending to compete.

We had two potential title challenging teams under Redknapp and Poch. ENIC sat on their hands.

They would rather scale us to a solid Europa League club which occasionally over performs, sells out the ground, and invest in infrastructure which fattens the goose for an eventual sale.

They're not interested in investing to grow the global fanbase and commercial income to the next level. The revenue is not as guaranteed as Go Karts and Hotels.

VIlla, Newcastle, Brighton and others have moved past us in their skill, conviction, and ambition.

Brighton have 4 wingers and 2 more out on loan who would get into our XI.

We got Timo Werner on loan, who wouldn't get into any of the top 15 PL best XI - and that's being generous.
 
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For the love of Spurs

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By a minority for sure. That guy could have got us relegated and I'd have wanted him to stay.

In the stadium there wasn’t much drive for his sacking. Frustration yes a lot. Online there seemed more clamour for him to go. Poch went because Jose was available and Levy had a crush on him for years and that was the chance, Poch to be fair to Levy also did seem a bit burned out so you can see issues combined why he took the chance.
 

Styopa

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That's sunk cost fallacy. If you booked an expensive room at a fancy 5 star hotel, then realised it was rat infested, the pool was out of service, there was a major sewage leak and they were going to be doing loud building works above your room all week - are you still gonna go? If you realised these issues had been there for years and they hadn't bothered to fix them, are you gonna book the same hotel next year?

No other industry works like this. Consumer capitalism forces businesses to stay competitive and be on top of their game to maintain their customer/audience loyalty. But in football - people keep buying their tickets, filling the stadium, buying the beer and the merch, and the £££ keep rolling in. So what exactly is the incentive for the management to change their way of working?

But the stadium, entertainment, and facilities are all top-tier, with no expense spared.

It’s clear that ENIC is focused on attracting a broader audience beyond just regular supporters, targeting day-trippers, tourists, and corporate guests looking for a leisure or entertainment experience—much like a night at the theatre or dining at a high-end restaurant. As long as we remain in the Premier League and play in our impressive new stadium, these visitors will continue to come for the experience. Similarly, by staying competitive in the Premier League, we can sustain high ticket prices and keep profiting from lucrative TV rights.

It's clear that their focus is more on positioning us as a competitive entertainment company than on building a competitive football team. When it comes to being a successful entertainment and property investment business, they are certainly among the best in the business.
 

Silky Skills

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Good post and you are right you cannot fault the non-football side, even the hotel makes sense despite the location of the stadium and far from great transport links.

I just can’t get my head around Levy’s approach to January, he won’t do one thing or the other (I.e. back or sack)
 
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