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How long do you give the manager?

hellava_tough

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Don't worry, this isn't a 'Poch Out' thread - Spurs fans can be bad, but not that bad :)

Instead, it's really a discussion on how patient we all are as fans and when, in each of our own individual opinions, does a manager fail to such an extent that he needs to be sacked.

The reason I'm posting this thread now is because we can look at the subject quite calmly and rationally, before a ball has been kicked in anger, or before the new manager has alienated us by not picking our favourite player :)

So how long do you give the manager to put things right, in your opinion?

What goals have you set for him that he must obtain?

Should we stick with him through thick and thin regardless of results, because we need stability and it might come good one day?

Are our expectations too high? Are they too low?

How do you judge the manager and the work he's doing/results he's achieving?

Is it only about results? If the manager is building foundations behind the scenes are you more patient with him?

Debate about Spurs managers can all get a bit heated mid-season, when we've hit a dip in form or after a painful defeat by a rival. So let's discuss your attitude to the manager and how much time you give him when we're all calm and quietly optimistic before the big kick-off!

PS Good luck to Poch and all the squad - hopefully they'll give us a fun and entertaining season! COYS!!
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Two full seasons, but he will be here when the new stadium opens, absent a massive implosion.

My guess is he only needs to stay within a shout of top-4 this season (he won't be given the funds to keep up with the top-5 squads) and next - in 2016/17 Spurs will make a strong push for top-4 (including a fairly big net-spend figure, for Spurs), so they will have Champions League when they open the new stadium, and finally have the revenue to keep the team in that position.
 

easley91

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I'm giving him this season at the very least. Two seasons at most (first being transitional and the second should see his system with his players). If the players are clearly trying to implement his system but are not getting results this coming season then it's best to be patient. Whatever happens, I can't wait til our first pre-season game under Poch on Saturday.
 

chinaman

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Three years if we are not near relegation. At the end of which, should we have won something or that we are seeing a few of our juniors graduating to the first team squad and moving towards star status, would give him a further two years to win something. If we don't win a single trophy by the end of five years, we'll have to part ways and find somebody else.
 

dontcallme

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I don't think time is really the factor.

Considering the potential quality of football and the results I'd have been willing to give AVB more time. But the reports of the fall outs with players, bad atmosphere round the club etc made me agree with his dismissal.

If the players are behind Poch and pulling together and there are signs that things will get better then I'm happy for him to have a long time at the club.

But the whole time thing in football is overplayed. Things aren't necessarily going to get better if we just give it time. You really have to judge it on a case-by-case basis.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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There's nothing I hate more then people who put a blanket comment on all managers saying you have to give them time.

Time to what? Do irreparable damage?
 

LexingtonSpurs

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There's nothing I hate more then people who put a blanket comment on all managers saying you have to give them time.

Time to what? Do irreparable damage?

You don't have to give him any time - but realistically, top-4 will be a bit of a stretch, so I am not holding him to that expectation. Given his previous experiences, I can't see falling below 8th, so my expectation is as long as the squad is not imploding, and he is getting the team playing attractive football, he'll get a full two seasons before Spurs set more ambitious goals for him.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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You don't have to give him any time - but realistically, top-4 will be a bit of a stretch, so I am not holding him to that expectation. Given his previous experiences, I can't see falling below 8th, so my expectation is as long as the squad is not imploding, and he is getting the team playing attractive football, he'll get a full two seasons before Spurs set more ambitious goals for him.
I don't disagree, but we have to be top 6 at worst or else we were better off with Dim Sherwood.
If we're bottom at Christmas he has to go.
He'll be looking over his shoulder if he's 12th imo.
 

mpickard2087

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I think two seasons is reasonable, by then you should be seeing signs of progress and enough evidence to decide whether said manager should continue to take us forward. First season the manager and players get used to how each other works, implementation of tactics etc. and for the manager to see what is required to improve the squad. Second season there should be plenty of evidence of a coherent plan and enough reasons to be encouraged for the future.

At risk of reopening the age old debate... AVB is a good example for this. First season he did have to put up with disruption and the loss of some key players. Fair enough. He got some of his game plan across and laid some foundations, albeit we were pretty stunted attacking wise as a team. Bale was the be all and end all. You also felt that he was compromising with some sort of 4-4-2/4-2-3-1 and were awaiting the switch to 4-3-3... Second season comes around and although we had a host of new signings, nothing had evolved tactically. Same old faults, same old struggles. This time we didn't have Bale to mask them. I would have given him till the end of the season to see if progress could have been made, especially attacking wise, and made a judgement then but I have to admit I think that progress/signs of promise were unlikely as I don't think he was a very good tactician and didn't understand where the problems lay.

This of course assumes we hold our current level in the league and there isn't an absolute disaster, relegation battle etc.
 

hellava_tough

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I don't disagree, but we have to be top 6 at worst or else we were better off with Dim Sherwood.
If we're bottom at Christmas he has to go.
He'll be looking over his shoulder if he's 12th imo.

I think that's actually going to be a tougher challenge than you're giving the manager credit for.

Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Everton and Man Utd aren't exactly bad teams.
 

hellava_tough

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I think the experience and age of a manager also has to be a factor

We give young players time to develop, why not managers?

If Levy doesn't think that there's potential there, why hire the likes of AVB or Poch in the first place?

Surely Levy doesn't think he's getting the finished article?
 

hodsgod

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As always it depends on performances, bad results and boring games he will be gone by xmas.

He needs to maintain Europa league qualification in his first season, and just show that he has the team playing decent football.
 
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