Match Threads Hoffenheim vs Spurs

[homer hotspur]

yep, feel we should have rested way more players as Sunday is currently so important as we have to win and start picking up some points.

Kulu, Porro, Drag, Gray, Sonny, need a rest plus Ben, Richy and Bents need to be careful. Probably only Spence for Porro or Gray will be available for Sunday although some hope that Sarr might be able to play. Maybe Moore could play / start on the left but that's about it.

 

[Silky Skills]

So cheering our goals in one of the main sponsors boxes did not go down well but suggesting Bentancur was their most creative player in the first half brought some lauughs.

I cried out for the youngss to bring some energy but maybe Ange is right, still credit to Moore for the assist, Will for holding it up and Callum on his debut.

Also well done Austin.

 

[carpediem991]

I really don't feel enough people here are taking into account how utterly knackered the players are at the moment. Most of those have played two games a week for fucking ages now. How they can't take this into consideration is fucking beyond me.

In the bigger picture... why are we that knackered? Why are we getting more and more injuries.
It is not coincidence...

Was a fun game to attend though. Both defense were there for the taking, crazy how often they had the ball in dangerous areas.

Liked that Olusesi got a game and we look like saving ourselves two games. We really look dead on our feet and we are just halfway through the season. Its very concerning.

 

[kitchen]

yep, feel we should have rested way more players as Sunday is currently so important as we have to win and start picking up some points.

This game was more important than Sunday.

 

[kitchen]

In the bigger picture... why are we that knackered? Why are we getting more and more injuries.
It is not coincidence...

Was a fun game to attend though. Both defense were there for the taking, crazy how often they had the ball in dangerous areas.

Liked that Olusesi got a game and we look like saving ourselves two games. We really look dead on our feet and we are just halfway through the season. Its very concerning.

It's not down to tactics as much as all the Ange haters like think.

It's logic. We have a huge amount of injuries. Most are just bad luck. We have 2 games a week. There are not enough players to rotate so the 11 that tend to start games are overused and don't get substituted as much as they should. Therefore they get knackered and are more likely to get injuries.

Vicious circle...

 

[carpediem991]

It's not down to tactics as much as all the Ange haters like think.

It's logic. We have a huge amount of injuries. Most are just bad luck. We have 2 games a week. There are not enough players to rotate so the 11 that tend to start games are overused and don't get substituted as much as they should. Therefore they get knackered and are more likely to get injuries.

Vicious circle...

Why is there a need to use "Ange haters" ? I don't hate the guy, just think he is the wrong fit for us and AGAIN, his tactics add up to the circle as does his squad management as he didnt really rotate when he had the chance to.

I still dont get why he registered just two full backs for the Europa League. Was the thinking Porro and Udogie can do easily 50 games a season? Especially as his tactics and system would require more rotation.

 

[robhumphreys]

Why were Spence and Reggie not on the bench (or preferably in the starting eleven)?

Please let this be a joke

 

[DiscoD1882]

Why is there a need to use "Ange haters" ? I don't hate the guy, just think he is the wrong fit for us and AGAIN, his tactics add up to the circle as does his squad management as he didnt really rotate when he had the chance to.

I still dont get why he registered just two full backs for the Europa League. Was the thinking Porro and Udogie can do easily 50 games a season? Especially as his tactics and system would require more rotation.

He’s dammed if he does dammed if he doesn’t. What else could we have done tonight? Tried to hold on for the draw? Go for the win? Or anything else? We don’t have any way to go? Blood the youngsters in the style we are going to play in the future.? Regardless of result? We have no other options. We plough on. We get player back. And we have a squad who have all played the system. Win or lose.

 

[kitchen]

Why is there a need to use "Ange haters" ? I don't hate the guy, just think he is the wrong fit for us and AGAIN, his tactics add up to the circle as does his squad management as he didnt really rotate when he had the chance to.

I still dont get why he registered just two full backs for the Europa League. Was the thinking Porro and Udogie can do easily 50 games a season? Especially as his tactics and system would require more rotation.

I'm not saying he's beyond criticism but he deserves more slack than he's getting from some fans. Not registering Spence was foolish for example.

I don't believe that the injuries are a byproduct of his tactics as many others do however. It just suits a certain narrative. It's lazy bullshit imo without science to back it up and comparisons with other high pressing squads. 'Oh we have a lot of injuries and our play is intensive therefore it must be because of that.' We're not the only high intensity team in the world. Injuries happen and most of the time it's bad luck.

If you remove both CBs, LB, GK and best CDM (bentancur) from any other team in the league, not to mention all the other absentees. Everyone would fall off big time. Why should we be different? Look how city struggle just missing 1 key player.

Our ppg with romero and vdv is 0.75 higher than without. That's big and hardly surprising.

As for being the wrong 'fit'. Surely that highly entertaining high risk high reward attacking style epitomises our club motto of 'to dare is to do'. Yes it doesn't work so well when we have 14 injuries but is that really a surprise?

Give the guy a break and give him some time during which he has an actual squad to use.

 

[carpediem991]

He’s dammed if he does dammed if he doesn’t. What else could we have done tonight? Tried to hold on for the draw? Go for the win? Or anything else? We don’t have any way to go? Blood the youngsters in the style we are going to play in the future.? Regardless of result? We have no other options. We plough on. We get player back. And we have a squad who have all played the system. Win or lose.

Surely now its a brutal task still its an assessment of the position we are in and being in the stadium i was even more shocked how easily Hoffenheim, who are nothing special, could create big chances.

Defensively we are shocking and i would hope, in times like this, we could be able to tighten up at the back a bit better.

 

[Silky Skills]

Surely now its a brutal task still its an assessment of the position we are in and being in the stadium i was even more shocked how easily Hoffenheim, who are nothing special, could create big chances.

Defensively we are shocking and i would hope, in times like this, we could be able to tighten up at the back a bit better.

Agree, they had at least three big chances in the first half not including the excellent save from Austin but if Austin could have thrown the ball more accurately, we might have gone in 3-0 up ……. but ” might” goes both ways ,……

 

[carpediem991]

I'm not saying he's beyond criticism but he deserves more slack than he's getting from some fans. Not registering Spence was foolish for example.

I don't believe that the injuries are a byproduct of his tactics as many others do however. It just suits a certain narrative. It's lazy bullshit imo without science to back it up and comparisons with other high pressing squads. 'Oh we have a lot of injuries and our play is intensive therefore it must be because of that.' We're not the only high intensity team in the world. Injuries happen and most of the time it's bad luck.

If you remove both CBs, LB, GK and best CDM (bentancur) from any other team in the league, not to mention all the other absentees. Everyone would fall off big time. Why should we be different? Look how city struggle just missing 1 key player.

Our ppg with romero and vdv is 0.75 higher than without. That's big and hardly surprising.

As for being the wrong 'fit'. Surely that highly entertaining high risk high reward attacking style epitomises our club motto of 'to dare is to do'. Yes it doesn't work so well when we have 14 injuries but is that really a surprise?

Give the guy a break and give him some time during which he has an actual squad to use.

To dare is to do does not mean to me attack like headless chicken and invite all sorts of opponents into our box all the time. Still stand with my point we obv are better with vdV etc but still not giod enough and were never on track to really improve (9 PL wins in 9 months)

Totally fine to have different opinions, so lets agree to disagree.

In the end we all support Spurs and just want the best...

 

[DiscoD1882]

Surely now its a brutal task still its an assessment of the position we are in and being in the stadium i was even more shocked how easily Hoffenheim, who are nothing special, could create big chances.

Defensively we are shocking and i would hope, in times like this, we could be able to tighten up at the back a bit better.

If we were under conte. We would have sat on the edge of our box and hoped for a corner. We made fundamental mistakes tonight. With a team both tired and inexperienced. But the first half was probably the most I enjoyed a game for months. We cannot forget what we have. And who is missing. It is the reason we are where we are. If that is because of the football we have been asked to play then let’s lambast him for that. But it’s unprecedented the amount of injuries we have had. Who is to blame? But unless we have a brain fart (could happen) against Elfsberg we are though to the knockouts without having to play two extra fixtures. And will get the players back we need to sustain a challenge. And also by hook or by crook have bled some fantastic youngsters. Who will only benefit form it.

we know where we are. And what we need. That’s not in question. But most of that is on the leadership. Open your fucking wallets And make us a fucking title Challenge team. Not a potentially good team. Because that’s all we’ve been for years. Even under Poch.

 

[Silky Skills]

To dare is to do does not mean to me attack like headless chicken and invite all sorts of opponents into our box all the time. Still stand with my point we obv are better with vdV etc but still not giod enough and were never on track to really improve (9 PL wins in 9 months)

Totally fine to have different opinions, so lets agree to disagree.

In the end we all support Spurs and just want the best...

The chicken reference is funny as the Americans I was with spent 20 minutes researching the difference between a cockerel and a roster, plus where you find elks in Germany

 

[UbeAstard]

I get that people feel like Ange should adjust the tactics a bit when we don't have our first 11, but I also get it from Anges point in that the back up players need to also be up to speed and learn the system as if they're going to come on as subs and be squad players they need to learn the system and how Ange want's to play.

It's a highly risky system to play and even with our first 11 we need better technical players in some areas to make it consistently effective. That part though is on Levy to supply.

9/10 when we concede these counter attacks its because we gave a sloppy ball away in areas where we should have been in control, thats why players like Porro always seem out of position.

Better technical players in the wide positions and an upgrade on Bissouma and Anges tactics will see better results.

It's not down to tactics as much as all the Ange haters like think.

It's logic. We have a huge amount of injuries. Most are just bad luck. We have 2 games a week. There are not enough players to rotate so the 11 that tend to start games are overused and don't get substituted as much as they should. Therefore they get knackered and are more likely to get injuries.

Vicious circle...

We had Spence, Dragusin and Regullion who could have been rotated but weren't getting any game time until we got the injuries and were forced to play them (must be Levy's fault).

 

[Reece_Spurs]

We had Spence, Dragusin and Regullion who could have been rotated but wern't getting any game time until we got the inuries and were forced to play them (must be Levy's fault).

What does that have to do with with my post?

 

[spurs9]

Why were Spence and Reggie not on the bench (or preferably in the starting eleven)?

 

[spurs9]

Win next week and we get two weeks off midweek wise and I believe a seeded draw

Thanks goodness for the rule change, so we don't have to play Tamworth in a replay.

 

[spurs9]

We are some so quick to give players excuses about how tired they are. How many games does Odegaard miss, or VVD, or Haaland or Saka. These guys play pretty much every game unless injured.

Deki did have a couple games off. He just played poorly, not because he’s tired. He could very well go and have a great game against Leicester, he’s that type of player. He has never been super consistent, this is his best season consistency wise.

Deki has played 700 mins more than Odengaard and 600 mins more than Saka. Who do you think runs more per game Deki, Haaland of VVD?

 

[Finchyid]

Thought we were good 1st half but wasteful, second half allowed them to much time on the ball. probably as a result of tiredness