Harry Redknapp gone

[SpurSince57]

You said we played the best football we have for 50 years for 3 quarters of the season

Er, yes. In the whole season we accumulated 69 points (1.82 PPG, eighth best ever), won over 50% of our games for only the second time in the 38-game era (the other time was 09-10, also with Harry), lost only 9 games, and had the best goal difference since about 1989, excluding 09-10.

You really must try harder.

 

[SpurSince57]

But you insistence on resisting any criticism of Mr Redknapp, based solely on final league position, is looking more and more obtuse. He has strnegths and weaknesses, just like any manager.
Why would only the most deluded or sanguine of fans have backed us to beat the Goons or Everton. We had by far the better of recent history against the Goons, including winning there last season, we were in the midst of a grat run, whereas they were quite clearly fragaile of confidence due to their incredibly poor form and performances. And we have a good recent record at Goodison, too. It's funny, because the main culprits that I remember from the Scumerates fiasco are Saha/Adebayor, and then Bale - the former because Saha received the ball on the halfway line and instead of looking across to see Bale tearing down the flank in acres of space, he passed to Adebayor on the edge of the area, surrounded by Goons players, and he, again, instead of looking across and seeing Bale still unmarked and with no defenders ahead of him, running into the corner of the area, decided to shot, even though the was surrounded and Chesny was covering his angles (and that would have made it 3 - nil); the latter because, for the first Goons goal, Bale was marking Sagna (whose a fecking midget), and yet Sagna got his head on the ball because Bale waved a foot pathetically in the general direction of it, rather than attacking it with his head (in which case he would have surely won it) - probably worrying about his fecking barnet

I think you need to accept, there are plenty of reasons to be grateful to Mr Redknapp, including for much of last season; but, by the same token, there are several legitimate beefs with him.

Oh, I take the criticisms on board, but I find the positives hugely outweigh the negatives. Why dwell on the latter?

Our Dear Leader has made the 'club' a laughing stock on more than one occasion, habitually lies through his teeth and has the charisma of a dead hake. He remains, however, a very capable 'club' chairman.

 

[Montasura]

You mean, be extremely selective. Why not pick our first two games of the season? We got zero points from those. That's definitely relegation form. Of course you must then disregard the fact that apart from that crap run of nine games, the rest of the season was the eighth best, points-wise, in our entire history. But let's just focus on the shit bit, shall we?



No, not a huge difference. But then, you take the bad runs entirely out of their context; Ramos' began not on 23 August 2008 but on 1 January 2008, 26 games in which we averaged less than a point again. Last season we averaged 1.83 PPG, and up to the point when the wheels came off against the Goons we were going at over 2 PPG. Ramos' sorry career average was 1.17, beaten only by Ossie's 1.16.

Yes, it's a really good comparison, our most successful league manager in almost 50 years against our almost-worst, ever.

Bad runs happen, to every club. If you need that pointing out, there's very little hope for you. Last season remains one of our best-ever. If we can't celebrate that, I despair.

Feel free to trawl through my previous posts and point out where exactly I have suggested Harry wasn't our most successful league manager in almost 50 years. Four years ago I thought Harry was exactly the right man for the job, four years later I will be the first to stand up and applaud everything he achieved with Spurs. He has brought us our three most successful consecutive premiership seasons ever and I will be the first to admit that I wish it had continued....but it didn't. But then, as I suggested before, I honestly think the performances on the pitch were only part of the reason as to why he got sacked.....being a twat and treating the club, players, and fans in a twattish way may well have added to his downfall.

Of course all clubs have bad runs so, fear not, as there is clearly plenty of hope for me yet. Unfortunately you have completely missed the point....all clubs have bad runs, Ramos had a worse run, Ramos was much much worse throughout his entire tenure......but Ramos did not oversee a bad run whilst on the cusp of securing third place and our most successful premiership finish ever, Ramos did not oversee a bad run that completely eroded such an extremely comfortable cushion with a more than generous run in at the end of the season. So no, I don't think I do take the bad runs entirely out of context, in fact I believe I have just put the bad runs entirely into context.

 

[beats1]

Er, yes. In the whole season we accumulated 69 points (1.82 PPG, eighth best ever), won over 50% of our games for only the second time in the 38-game era (the other time was 09-10, also with Harry), lost only 9 games, and had the best goal difference since about 1989, excluding 09-10.

You really must try harder.

OMG! I know we had great form in the beginning of the season but the fact of the matter is we didn't have the best football for 3/4's of the season it was more like half a season and even during that half we grinding out result so we were winning but weren't playing great as we couldn't kill off teams

 

[thfcsteff]

I suspect that was SS turning your post around so as to make Mr Redknapp not remotely criticised

Possible mate, possible, but I'd agree with him, the squad had reached it's ceiling, problem is, when Harry was presented with oppose to refresh it in the last year, he couldn't decide and fell back on the same old combo of experience "safe" bets or players he's had before!!

 

[thfcsteff]

Yes, there is, and only an idiot (or Harry) would claim that his mind was at times elsewhere. I know mine would have been. On the other hand, Arsenal at the Immigrants, United anywhere, and a resurgent Everton at Goodison were games only the most sanguine or deluded would have backed us for, certainly as an accumulator, and the Immigrants fiasco was largely down to sloppiness from BAE and, of all people, King.

Maybe we should look at the season as a unitary whole?

When we were 2-0 up, a scoreline which flattered us grossly as we were losing the midfield, everyone could see we needed to drop to a 4-5-1, bring on Sandro as the extra man and take off either Saha or Adebayor (so Saha). Instead, Harry allowed us to get caught. Even when we came out for the second-half with another shape, it was 4-3-3. Now, given that King was having a mare, you'd either have subbed him there and then OR if persevering, you would certainly offer a two-man shield to sit deep and in front of him. You'd then have Rafa bridge the gap between middle and forward. As for sloppiness from Benny (I presume you're mentioning the clearance which wasn't) I suspect that having a rampaging, marauding and highly undisciplined/unreigned-in Gareth Bale deserting his side every few minutes didn't give him the best of afternoons!

You mentioned Man U, and I will refer back to the emirates. We're having a mare, the manager's dropped a bullock and it's all gone horribly King Kong. Parker's on a yellow. Why not take him off for the last 15 mins or so, make sure you don't lose him for the next big game...which we ended up doing! As for Everton, sorry, once we actually showed up, we battered them silly!

 

[StartingPrice]

Oh, I take the criticisms on board, but I find the positives hugely outweigh the negatives. Why dwell on the latter?

Our Dear Leader has made the 'club' a laughing stock on more than one occasion, habitually lies through his teeth and has the charisma of a dead hake. He remains, however, a very capable 'club' chairman.

But the way Dear Leader behaves has no bearing on Mr Redknapp's flaws...do it?
To put things in perspective, when there was the anti-Comolli witch-hunt at the end of the Wandery fiasco, I was pretty much a lone voice pointing out that Comolli had only followed the remit Levy gave him, and, if he overstepped it, as some folk liked to claim, then it was negligence on Dear Leader's part, as well - but he just got a pass.

By the same token, Redknapp may have got us some fantastic league finishes, but the fact is he fecked up, and he fecked up even more by failing to recognise either that he fecked up, or that he no longer had the bargaining position he had when Capello was first sacked.

For me, the bottom line is that his annoying diarrhaea mouth, especially about wanting a new contract in the week that Levy's mother died, and specifically contradicting his statements during England-Gate, were not only crass, and, while not directly related to onfield results, hardly endearing, but, possibly, the straw that broke the camels back. So, why does anyone defend that...or the fact that we had a horrible run of results that conicided in such an obvious way with England-Gate? I just don't see the point in it.

Possible mate, possible, but I'd agree with him, the squad had reached it's ceiling, problem is, when Harry was presented with oppose to refresh it in the last year, he couldn't decide and fell back on the same old combo of experience "safe" bets or players he's had before!!

While letting players go our on loan that he just should have kept hold of and used better (especially Pienaar).

 

[BillyWhizz]

Is this still being discussed? let it go people!

 

[StartingPrice]

Is this still being discussed? let it go people!

This is Spurs Chat, not Sane Chat

 

[boy-C]

When Harry got sacked i was unsure how i felt about it, but after seeing Harry in the paper today in an add for betfair with a picture of Harry looking like a retard holding a smart phone with text reading BETFAIR MOBILE... SO SIMPLE EVEN HARRY CAN USE IT. I can honestly say that im so glad he is no longer associated with spurs.

 

[tototoner]

from Talksport

Asked what Redknapp leaving the Lane means for the club, Parker replied: “It’s a massive disappointment, a big shock.
“Harry was fantastic for me personally and for everything he’s done. So, obviously, I’m bitterly disappointed.

 

[Original # 10]

FTR Harry was surprised he got the boot. In actual fact he'd become very complacent. Why had he become complacent?

Because he had the best win rate of any Spurs manager since Bill Nic?

Because he got us to our 2 highest ever EPL finishes?

Because he got us to the UCL QF in our inaugural qualification?

Because he had us playing the best brand of football I'd ever seen in my time supporting this great club?

More fool him

 

[StartingPrice]

FTR Harry was surprised he got the boot. In actual fact he'd become very complacent. Why had he become complacent?

Because he had the best win rate of any Spurs manager since Bill Nic?

Because he got us to our 2 highest ever EPL finishes?

Because he got us to the UCL QF in our inaugural qualification?

Because he had us playing the best brand of football I'd ever seen in my time supporting this great club?

More fool him

That is exactly why he got complacent...because it was not a decision taken based solely on playing record, and it certainly had an eye to the future.

 

[Original # 10]

Correct

 

[SpurSince57]

That is exactly why he got complacent...because it was not a decision taken based solely on playing record, and it certainly had an eye to the future.

Which makes one wonder why Levy reportedly offered Harry a lucrative new 4-year contract to forestall his falling into the FA's clutches.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Which makes one wonder why Levy reportedly offered Harry a lucrative new 4-year contract to forestall his falling into the FA's clutches.

Compo?

 

[SpurSince57]

Compo?

I can't see any connection with the much-loved character from 'Last of the Summer Wine'.

Ah! You mean compensation!

No, apparently this offer was made in February or March, and Harry turned it down. The reason I brought it up is that Harry's taking the England job was the perfect opportunity to replace him with a young manager more fully attuned to Levy's long-term vision. I could buy that. So, why try and deter Harry from taking the England job?

 

[StartingPrice]

Which makes one wonder why Levy reportedly offered Harry a lucrative new 4-year contract to forestall his falling into the FA's clutches.

It does.
I believe that even the England-Gate coinciding slump and Chelsea's CL triumph, robbing us of CL football, could have been brushed over - I don't really think it was just about results (which, to clarify, as I have said it several times, did mean us finishing 4th and qualifying for CL, which was the target last August).
I don't think his spouting BS while Levy was burying his mother helped.
What I do think, and this weighed heavily in my thinking in reaching the conclusion that it may be time to part company, is that he pretty much earned the right to take us into the CL again. But that, at 65, and with a heart condition, having had the CL taken away from him, we were more likely than not to be making a change within a season or two, so we may be as well doing it now. It's not even anti-Redknapp, really. As has been said in the AVB debate, planning for the future is important, but so are results on the field now. It may be that in (allegedly) preparing that contract, Levy was focussed more on the now, which looked like it could even include an outside challenge at the title. But when it came to the parting of the ways, Redknapp overplayed his hand, he didn't have the CL to compete in, and it seemed like a good opportunity to switch to a younger manager, better adjusted to the 'project'.

I don't think it was a decision that was reached before the season ended, or even before Mr Redknapp hired his new negotiator and started overplaying his hand.

But, there again, I am hypothesising, I don't know any of this, any more than most members of the forum.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I can't see any connection with the much-loved character from 'Last of the Summer Wine'.

Ah! You mean compensation!

No, apparently this offer was made in February or March, and Harry turned it down. The reason I brought it up is that Harry's taking the England job was the perfect opportunity to replace him with a young manager more fully attuned to Levy's long-term vision. I could buy that. So, why try and deter Harry from taking the England job?

To maximize the compo he could screw out of the FA? I dunno.

 

[PT]

I can't see any connection with the much-loved character from 'Last of the Summer Wine'.

Ah! You mean compensation!

No, apparently this offer was made in February or March, and Harry turned it down. The reason I brought it up is that Harry's taking the England job was the perfect opportunity to replace him with a young manager more fully attuned to Levy's long-term vision. I could buy that. So, why try and deter Harry from taking the England job?

Timing - slap bang in the middle of that slump. Any change could potentially have emphasised the loss of form, unbeknownst the potential of such causing it anyhow.