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Kingellesar

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Yeah I don't see why he should be involved, not been in training long enough, allow players who have played pre season a chance.

Plus if a deal is being finalised then I can't see us putting him in anyway.
 

Trix

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Jul 29, 2004
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Be interesting to see if he is involved sunday, I still think we need to hold our nerve and include him on the bench.
If nothing has been agreed then absolutely. Seems to me if they are back in today it's to stop that from happening.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Aug 13, 2012
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I'm still gutted at Kanes behaviour.

He could have left the club in the right way and still have been worshipped a few years down the line.

I'm not sure he'll hold that special place in my heart now which is a shame. He could have been the hero for generations like Greavsie etc.
 

JonnyBGood

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In the short term, I don't think either party will feel like a winner at the end of this... City will feel they have overpaid and will worry about his long term fitness. We will have lost a once in a generation talent.

Long term who knows?
 

Yid-ol

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Jan 16, 2006
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Be interesting to see if he is involved sunday, I still think we need to hold our nerve and include him on the bench.

Would be interesting to see the reaction of the fans. Will we boo or cheer him? And what will the city fans do also?
 

wiggo24

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Jan 5, 2013
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Think his strike has worked wonders in terms of fans accepting him leaving. Can't believe we have people actively wanting him to leave and suddenly being willing to accept paltry bids and part exchanges.

I for one would still be gutted if he leaves and I think people have sort of forgotten just how good he was last season. Yes there are ankle concerns but he really didn't miss many games last season and I'd say he's currently in his peak as a player. Selling him at this point to an oil state with no history who wouldn't have stood a chance at him 10 years ago would be really, really tough.

Replacements wise, even if we got in Vlahovic AND Martinez, the chance of either of them getting to the level Kane is at now is absolutely minute. They will also both need time to adapt and will likely require a complete change of system.

Does feel the the momentum is building for Kane to leave now but despite everything I will be gutted, and if its for less than £150m cash then I'll be furious at Levy too.
 
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Amo

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I don't think either party will feel like a winner at the end of this... City will feel they have overpaid and will worry about his long term fitness. We will have lost a once in a generation talent.

I'm beginning to get a sneaking suspicion they won't.

They do amicable transfers for other players but become stoics when negotiating with us as if it's a mark of pride to "outLevy" Levy.

In any case, I'd bet when the dust settles it'll be Spurs that everyone perceives were outgunned in this saga.

The issue is that once the stubbornness and spite dies down, rejecting a 130m bid because it isn't 160m is not in our interests beyond making some sort of nebulous stand for principles. Say we reject that. How much value does he lose in the next year? How much squad bloat do we cut? How many pressing areas do we manage to fill properly?

Brickwalling him and City would make sense in the peak Poch era when we had more to lose and less to gain. But we were a final day away from finishing tenth despite Kane bagging most goals and most assists in the league. Would we really finish lower than that without him? I don't think we would have. But I do think keeping him and ceding £100m+ in cash is a luxury. We can afford it, sure. But that doesn't mean it's in our interests to do so.
 
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TheBlueRooster

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May 10, 2005
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If they have upped their bid, maybe it's because they are more desperate to win CL and with Messi going to PSG they need Kane rather than just want him.
 

dagraham

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Sep 20, 2005
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I keep making the point that Kane will have an intrinsic value on the clubs balance sheet as our most valued member of the playing staff hence if we sell him for less than that value we will HAVE to take a charge on our P&L to reflect the difference between the price agreed and his value on the balance sheet. Sure, the loss would lead to less tax being paid on profits generated in the same period (maybe the next financial year if we manage to keep the stadium open) but there you have it, despite what the media may report its not all in Levys head or ego its an ACTUAL LOSS to the club.

**Would love to know why someones disagreed with the accounting treatment for a depreciated asset sold below its capitalized value on the balance sheet!? Admittedly, i did my accounting exams 30+ years ago so unlike many posting on social media im happy to be educated on any changes that i may have missed.**

Wasn’t me who disagreed but it doesn’t necessarily work that way.

The problem with internally revaluing assets to their fair/market value is that the club would have to do that with all the assets it’s class. Which would obviously mean that some players book values would have to be written down ( take Ndombele as an example).

Which in turn would hit our P & L immediately and why companies often don’t tend to do this.

Like you though, I am happy to be corrected by someone if I’m talking bollocks.
 

Univarn

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I'm still gutted at Kanes behaviour.

He could have left the club in the right way and still have been worshipped a few years down the line.

I'm not sure he'll hold that special place in my heart now which is a shame. He could have been the hero for generations like Greavsie etc.
I wager in 10 years time people will think fondly of Kane just so long as he doesn't do something specific to ruin it (like calling out Spurs in public, celebrating goals against us, or join Arsenal late in his career). This one is just going to go down harder than when Bale left because back then we knew our place in the football ecosystem and were hoping for a change, and despite his quality Bale was never sold as Spurs through and through. All the justifications are part of the natural grieving process when a key player leaves.
 

al_pacino

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Feb 2, 2005
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What will be interesting after this is how both clubs try and spin what's happened to show them as winners in the negotiations.

I'm seeing an undisclosed fee believed to be a British transfer record of (several different amounts) as the headlines in the papers.
 

KingNick

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Jun 15, 2008
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Genuine question, why do people think “cash up front” matters? We don’t have a cash flow issue and we have massive lines of cheap credit.

If for example it costs us a few million to take £200m on credit for a year, why would we not do that as opposed to accepting £20m less “up front”? and even then, it only matters if purchases aren’t on the same payment terms.

The only reasons are either making us look attractive for a sale or cash flow issues. Otherwise cash up front is irrelevant. We’re not selling a second-hand car.

good point.

I think some people are confusing the concept of “cash up front” with guaranteed and contingent payments (the transfer fee and the “add ons”) and of course, we want a higher guaranteed amount rather than add-one that might not happen

or they just don’t realise that at this level, it’s not necessarily about cash at the bank but future obligations to pay etc. which are reflected in the accounts as assets anyway

Although we do have that underground car pack that DL could fill with all those Dirhams and swim around in like Scrooge McDuck…..
 

GutBucket

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May 26, 2013
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Gil who was in Olympics will start training sooner or same day as he will, vice captain... Sell for one of record fees and move on IMO.
 

Matthew

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Aug 29, 2012
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so, if they have massively budged from what they said they wouldn't pay - i just dont see how they spin it, without looking like they've caved ( which i cant imagine they'd do) or we look like we've bent over and taken a lesser offer, would levy be prepared to let the world think we took a lowball offer,, but knowing we got what we wanted?
 

spurs mental

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I was rather miffed at his behaviour and indifferent to him going but it's getting close to too late for him to go now and if and when he does I'm going to be disappointed how this has ended up.

This is going to be an absolute slog of season without him.
 

wiggo24

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Jan 5, 2013
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One thing I would say is that coming into this window I'd have been pretty gutted if I knew that Kane would leave, whilst Winks, Dier Aurier and potentially even Sissoko all remained at the club.

If the above happens then I won't be spinning it as any sort of success that's for sure.
 

kungfujoe98

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Does feel the the momentum is building for Kane to leave now but despite everything I will be gutted, and if its for less than £150m cash then I'll be furious at Levy too.

Good point. I see it as if Kane stays, it can be spun as City are the bad guys, flashing their knickers at him, but not willing to pay the price. If Kane goes for the right price, people will accept it, No real bad guy given where we are, the reality is that this was always likely to happen if we couldn’t get silverware.

But if he’s sold on City’s terms (and FWIW I think we should be standing firm for £170m+ and certainly not less than £150m cash up front), then Levy will be seen as the bad guy. Losing your star man for less than you insisted you would accept would not be a good look and invites the same situation happening again I’m the future. Hopefully the club will stand firm in line with the ITK from a day or two ago. If they want him, they’ll pay.
 
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