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KILLA_SIN

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It’s funny this has been mentioned because me and my sister had a conversation earlier today, she works for a company headed by an ex minister (Labour) I don’t want to say who or what they do because it’s her job but the premier league is one of their clients. She said that Starmer doesnt want a football regulator
 

KILLA_SIN

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My convo was about 60 seconds, the main thing I wanted to know was that she made sure she told them she's a Spurs fan so we get tickets for games
 

Frozen_Waffles

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This does beg the question of who is actually in a position to buy these players?

I'd add Arsenal to that list as not only are they struggling with FFP they have to sign Raya. So they can't buy at the moment. Liverpool are not exactly big spenders unless they sell Salah and it's doubtful they'd do it before the 30th. City will wonder if there is any point with the breaches.

So who, United maybe, us, west ham?

Who of those clubs would bother paying 50m for MGW or Gallagher, when there is little competition.

Wages will be a big issue as well, so actually selling your high earners is off the table.

It'll be interesting to see if anyone is sold by the 30th June. It might turn into a new transfer deadline day as well. Levy will have a field day if the clubs really do have to sell.
 

luRRka

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This does beg the question of who is actually in a position to buy these players?

I'd add Arsenal to that list as not only are they struggling with FFP they have to sign Raya. So they can't buy at the moment. Liverpool are not exactly big spenders unless they sell Salah and it's doubtful they'd do it before the 30th. City will wonder if there is any point with the breaches.

So who, United maybe, us, west ham?

Who of those clubs would bother paying 50m for MGW or Gallagher, when there is little competition.

Wages will be a big issue as well, so actually selling your high earners is off the table.

It'll be interesting to see if anyone is sold by the 30th June. It might turn into a new transfer deadline day as well. Levy will have a field day if the clubs really do have to sell.
Arsenal probably can't buy at the moment but they won't be in breach of psr and facing points deduction like the rest.

Agree it's like an initial priority window only for the well run clubs to take their pick
 

Trix

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I keep hearing pundits and journalists saying there is something wrong with the system if teams are forced to sell HG players to balance the books.

Well no one is forced to do that. The rules haven't created this problem, inept decision making from the clubs owners have, and it's the reason they are where they are.

If over half the clubs in the Premier league of all different sizes and standings, can manage to stay within PSR regulations then they all can. They are choosing not to.
 

spursfan77

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I keep hearing pundits and journalists saying there is something wrong with the system if teams are forced to sell HG players to balance the books.

Well no one is forced to do that. The rules haven't created this problem, inept decision making from the clubs owners have, and it's the reason they are where they are.

If over half the clubs in the Premier league of all different sizes and standings, can manage to stay within PSR regulations then they all can. They are choosing not to.

In the long run it should actually promote youngsters and force teams to play them. Buy less average dross from abroad and play your kids and use your funds to just bring in the best players you can from across the world. As usual they’ve got it back to front.
 

BehindEnemyLines

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This does beg the question of who is actually in a position to buy these players?

I'd add Arsenal to that list as not only are they struggling with FFP they have to sign Raya. So they can't buy at the moment. Liverpool are not exactly big spenders unless they sell Salah and it's doubtful they'd do it before the 30th. City will wonder if there is any point with the breaches.

So who, United maybe, us, west ham?

Who of those clubs would bother paying 50m for MGW or Gallagher, when there is little competition.

Wages will be a big issue as well, so actually selling your high earners is off the table.

It'll be interesting to see if anyone is sold by the 30th June. It might turn into a new transfer deadline day as well. Levy will have a field day if the clubs really do have to sell.
Don't be fooled into thinking that just because a team needs to sell they can't also buy........it all depends on the extent of balancing the books.

If Villa are £40m over currently, then they could sell a homegrown player for £50m and also buy a player for £50m on a 5 year contract.......the profit to the year would be £50m, and the charge to the year would be £10m (1/5x£50m), balancing the £40m deficit.
 

Danny1

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I keep hearing pundits and journalists saying there is something wrong with the system if teams are forced to sell HG players to balance the books.

Well no one is forced to do that. The rules haven't created this problem, inept decision making from the clubs owners have, and it's the reason they are where they are.

If over half the clubs in the Premier league of all different sizes and standings, can manage to stay within PSR regulations then they all can. They are choosing not to.

Exactly this. It's nothing about selling homegrown players, its the fact that they have overspent in the first place that has got them all in to this problem.
Villa fans can moan about it but they have spent big and got in the CL because of it. They now need to understand that the rules haven't changed and that their spending was more than they were allowed to do in the first place.
Fuck all of them who have done it, they all deserve points deductions.
 

Frozen_Waffles

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Don't be fooled into thinking that just because a team needs to sell they can't also buy........it all depends on the extent of balancing the books.

If Villa are £40m over currently, then they could sell a homegrown player for £50m and also buy a player for £50m on a 5 year contract.......the profit to the year would be £50m, and the charge to the year would be £10m (1/5x£50m), balancing the £40m deficit.
Yes they could sell, but to who? Unless they start doing dodgy deals with each other. (Wouldn't put it past them) Then who would buy a 50m player in what is probably a buyers market.
 

BehindEnemyLines

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I keep hearing pundits and journalists saying there is something wrong with the system if teams are forced to sell HG players to balance the books.

Well no one is forced to do that. The rules haven't created this problem, inept decision making from the clubs owners have, and it's the reason they are where they are.

If over half the clubs in the Premier league of all different sizes and standings, can manage to stay within PSR regulations then they all can. They are choosing not to.
In principle you're bang on - there are a few anomalies that can impact on the 3 year rolling period (such as being borderline Champions League), but that's where MT financial planning comes in.....and a lot of clubs blatantly didn't think it would be enforced in the way it has.
 

BehindEnemyLines

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Yes they could sell, but to who? Unless they start doing dodgy deals with each other. (Wouldn't put it past them) Then who would buy a 50m player in what is probably a buyers market.
That is my point - the annual cost of buying players is a lot less than the profit from selling Home Grown players.

chelsea could sell 3 homegrown at £50m each, then buy 2 players for £100m each........and still make a book profit of £110m in the year.

chelsea could sell Gallagher to Villa for £50m.
Villa could sell Douglas Luis to chelsea for £50m.
Both clubs would make a book profit of £40m in the current year.

........in fact, if that situation arose, then there's nothing to stop Villa and Chelsea from valuing the players at £100m each for the deal - no cash changes hands, but they both get a £80m book profit.
 

Trix

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None of this will matter if Man City win their Arbitration case.
They won't.

And even if they do it won't just become a free for all like many are screaming from the rooftops. New regulations will be put in place that will be even more watertight. The biggest clubs in England don't want unlimited spending. The biggest clubs in Europe don't want it either. People say that money talks in football, which of course is true to an extent, but the historical Elite clubs are the real power and none of them want this, and so it won't happen.
 

Trix

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And even if they did, I’m pretty sure it will lead to a massive split and a new domestic league being formed without them and the likes of Newcastle (and possibly Villa).
Nah, it'll just lead to new regulations being set out that can't be gotten around.
 
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