FAO of those screaming for bookings when players wave imaginary cards

[ERO]

All those screaming for bookings/sending offs/public hangings when a player waves an imaginary card as to say that another player should get a booking/be sent off; what exactly do you think the other 20 players surrounding the referee are saying to him?

 

[StartingPrice]

I would feel a little hypocritical if I didn't point to Lamela waving an imaginary card at the referee during the Benteke-Gate affair. It annoys the hell out of me. And it is technically a yellow card offence - I have pointed that out frequently when we have been on the receiving end of such behaviour - like when Rose was sent off at WHL against Citeh last season (for making a perfectly good tackle), and all of the Citeh players crowded the ref (which should have been blanket bookings) and most were waving imaginary cards (which should have been blanket bookings).

So, yeah, it is right to point it out.

 

[ERO]

Why on earth is that worse than getting in the referee's face and shouting THAT'S A FUCKING BOOKING?

Hosting such a diverse league, with players from all over the world, means that not everyone playing in the Premier League can speak English very well. So when language forms a barrier, players mimic an “imaginary card” gesture to referee. This is no different than what the English speaking players do in every single game and it probably holds less sway over the ref than someone saying “come on ref, that was reckless with two feet off the ground” or “the ball was long gone then ref, surely that’s a red?” Still, for whatever reason, people in this country go bonkers over an IMAGINARY CARD.

Why does commentators and fans alike deem this perfectly reasonable behaviour:




while this is aboslutely vile behaviour?

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Also, it's completely fine to gesticulate that someone handballed, pulled his shirt. Even pointing out with your fingers that a player has fouled x amount of times, thus implying he should be booked, is totally acceptable. That is true hypocrisy.

 

[ERO]

And which rule states that waving an imaginary card constitues a booking?

 

[Flynn]

I quite like how Kaboul carried himself during these incidents today. (as opposed to his general performance)

Would of had no complaints had Lamela got booked. Some teams in the last few years have been able to be more in your face than others. I recall when Gomes gifted Nani the goal against Man Utd when our players all got waved away by the ref who allowed Rio to shout in his face for a good 20 seconds before awarding the goal. Not saying he shoudn't of given the goal but why allow him to do it whilst waving away our players?

 

[StartingPrice]

And which rule states that waving an imaginary card constitues a booking?

Maybe I have that wrong - but I do have a distinct memory of it causing such an uproar and something about referees penalising it, followed shortly by some pretty high profile cases of watching referees actually in real time booking players specifically for it (one, in particular, I remember was one of the da Silva twins for United). Perhaps someone could check that for us?

Either way, players have been booked specifically for it, so it it is something the referees can book it (maybe under ungentlemanly conduct), whether there is actually a rule regarding it or not, they need to be doing it consistently.

 

[Kendall]

I'm glad Kane sorted out Lamela when he was doing that, disgrace.

I thought Joe Hart should've been booked in the game earlier for sticking his face into the refs.

 

[StartingPrice]

I quite like how Kaboul carried himself during these incidents today.

Would of had no complaints had Lamela got booked. Some teams in the last few years have been able to be more in your face than others. I recall when Gomes gifted Nani the goal against Man Utd when our players all got waved away by the ref who allowed Rio to shout in his face for a good 20 seconds before awarding the goal. Not saying he shoudn't of given the goal but why allow him to do it whilst waving away our players?

Why won't you say he shouldn't have given the goal - he shouldn't have given the goal!

Nani dived. Clatty knew it was a dive- otherwise he would have given a penalty. Diving is a yellow card offence.
Nani pulled the ball back, assuming it was OT and he would get the pen. A deliberate hand-ball. The ball would have went out for a goal-kick without this intervention.
Gomes put the ball down, and then looked to Clatty for guidance - was it a free-kick (either for the dive or for the hand-ball)? Should he proceed with it as a goal-kick as that is what it would have been without Nani's illegal intervention? Or was the referee playing the advantage? It seemed inconceivable at the time that Clatty would just ignore Nani's offences and the illegal alteration of the trajectory of the ball.

Clatty didn't give any clear instruction, just a kind of gesture the most likely interpretation of which was that Gomes should play on, making the most apparent assumption that he was playing the advantage (as it was inconceivable that he was just going to ignore Nani's indiscretions altogether). Gomes hadn't played the ball, so how could any advantage have accrued? When refs play they advantage and none accrues, even if half the pitch away, they usually pull it back to where the offence occurred. He didn't do that, making it clear that he wasn't playing the advantage.

Nani nipped in, took the ball off a bewildered Gomes and scored. Huddlestone did the same for us against Stoke when they had the advantage - the goal was cancelled and Huddlestone booked. At which point we get back to asking whether it was supposed to be a free-kick or a goal-kick, or as transpires, Clatty didn't think it was important to penalise Nani for two (three when he interfered with the ball) offences, nor to take play back to what it would have been without Nani handling it - a goal-kick.

When Clatty didn't immediately award the goal, Paul Schols pushed him in the chest - di Canio received a ten game ban for that. When he went to consult with his assistant, Ferdinand stood screaming in their faces for thirty seconds. How is that not a booking.

Result = no United player booked and a goal to United. No-one* ever asked Clatty to explain why he never penalised Nani, not for the dive, not for the hand-ball, not for the goal. No-one ever asked him why he didn't award a free-kick for the dive/hand-ball. No-one ever asked him why, if he wasn't penalising Nani, it wasn't a goal-kick, as it would have went out if nani hadn't pulled it back. No-one asked him (properly) why he wasn't clear in the instructions to Gomes who was clearly looking to him for guidance. No-one asked him why he allowed Scholes to push him in the chest. No-one asked him why he allowed Ferdinand to stand screaming in their faces while he consulted with the assistant.

Dawson, who was Spurs captain, politely approached him for an explanation, after he gave the goal - and was booked.

*With all of these no-one asked him I do, of course, mean so far as I have ever seen. He was asked what happened after the game, but not for specifics like these, and he gave a lame answer that was never properly questioned.

The United fans knew. That is why they sat laughing and singing we do what we want! It was a disgrace. The goal being awarded was a disgrace. And Clatty not being seriously questioned was a disgrace. Mind you, Ferguson would have been happy enough so there was no chance of him being relegated to the Championship for the next week's fixtures.

p.s. I agree with you about the way Kaboul handled the situation.

 

[StartingPrice]

I'm glad Kane sorted out Lamela when he was doing that, disgrace.

I thought Joe Hart should've been booked in the game earlier for sticking his face into the refs.

Gawd, yeah, forgot about Hart pushing his head in at the ref...how the hell did he get away with that one?

 

[Flynn]

To be honest, I've had a few and I couldn't remember the exact details behind it. Just the Man U players in the refs face. Hence my comment " I'm not saying the goal should of been given" I wasn't saying it should of either although I wasn't clear about that.

 

[cwy21]

And which rule states that waving an imaginary card constitues a booking?

Would fall under "dissent by word or action"

 

[Phantom]

Snip.

That debacle still makes my blood boil and the fact there was no follow up makes it even worse. That along with the Mendes goal and the Whole of Foy's performance against stoke are my top 3 refs fucking things up. Words fail me as to how Foy is still a ref after the Stoke performance.....

Narrowly missing out is the Paul Robinson pen against Sevilla and any number of the last 2 years of red cards and pens we have suffered against the top clubs.

And yes something really has to be done about both the card waving and the aggressive confrontation of the ref.

 

[Gary-22]

I don't know if many of you noticed but our manager was quickly out of his seat to wave the imaginary card during the Benteke incident yesterday

 

[bceej]

Lamela could have blagged it after his time in Italy I reckon

 

[talkshowhost86]

I genuinely don't understand why they don't just instigate yellow cards for players who whinge at the ref.

In rugby there isn't a problem at all because the refs actually have some power to penalise players for acting like arseholes, whereas in football they've basically hung the refs out to dry and let the players scream blue murder at them every time they make a decision.

It's ridiculous.

 

[bceej]

I genuinely don't understand why they don't just instigate yellow cards for players who whinge at the ref.

In rugby there isn't a problem at all because the refs actually have some power to penalise players for acting like arseholes, whereas in football they've basically hung the refs out to dry and let the players scream blue murder at them every time they make a decision.

It's ridiculous.

I'd love to see a ref immediately card a player for a sustained complaint at a decision, or trying to influence the ref. That would change the attitudes in football very quickly.

 

[Kendall]

I don't know if many of you noticed but our manager was quickly out of his seat to wave the imaginary card during the Benteke incident yesterday

I looked at that during the replays, I think he put his hand in the air and gestured, but it wasn't a card waving gesture...

 

[ERO]

I looked at that during the replays, I think he put his hand in the air and gestured, but it wasn't a card waving gesture...

What's the so important difference?

 

[Kendall]

What's the so important difference?

Because one is simply a sign of frustration/anger and the other is trying to dictate the action the referee should take.

It's not hard. You are allowed to be pissed off about something.

 

[teok]

You make a very good point ERO. I have no real answer for you.