Match Threads Everton vs Spurs - Match Thread

[Shadydan]

Of course criticism can be applied. But I think it's fairly telling that despite winning by a great margin, coming from behind away from home and taking many of our chances, supporters will still find the energy/need to criticise the team/players. Like it's a thesis or scientific paper where you need to state the limitations of your study.

I find that really strange. Players will have misplaced passes, lost possession, missed chances, tackles or saves when they 'should' have been made. But isn't that normal. Even when City or Barcelona or Bayern win 10-0, there will be missed chances, passes and some players who won't have scored 10/10 upon review. What is it that we want? When will we be happy?

Lamela was excellent. He was trying out stuff and being probably over adventurous when it came to dribbles, attempted passes and attacking play. But if you can't do it when you're 2 or 3 goals up with 20min to play, when are you going to have fun, express yourself on the pitch and try out stuff? I think Pochettino wants players to be brave. He wants them to try and take risks and make mistakes. He wants Skipp, KWP, Winks and Dele to go for it - sometimes they will make mistakes and as a team we will lose out. Will people criticising Lamela also criticise Kane for his missed chances?

Reading some of the posts (not aimed at you) on here reminds me of my childhood - if I scored 98% on a maths test, I'd get asked what I got wrong and why I didn't score 100%. This is a forum and it's fair for all of us to express our joy and frustration equally. But I feel like it's kinda missing the bigger picture. The "yesssss, we won and we won well" picture.

I'd be surprised if other teams' fora are full of as many critique posts when their teams have won by as big a margin (Arsenal and Wet Spam fans aside). But maybe I'm wrong. Am I?

Yes exactly the point, the performance is hardly worth scrutiny seeing as we had a clear advantage, he would have been encouraged to try new things whether that would be play more through balls or try and dribble past opponents, okay some of the stuff he did didn't come off but when better to do them where we're 3 goals up in a game we've already won?

I highly doubt that Poch was tearing his hair out having a go at Lamela, he always allows our players to be adventurous when they play and be brave as long as their disciplined in defence, not everything will come off but it's a huge part of Poch's philosophy that he encourages.

I've always said that Lamela is a high risk/reward player anyway so you'll get the moments where he seem frustrating where he's trying to probe and play constant through balls and he'll hold onto the ball long enough to release it to another player in space however his play wielded a goal and we didn't concede so his performance can be only seen as successful and positive.

Unfortunately it seems that there has to be a scapegoat on here sometimes that people look down upon, like there's always something or someone to moan at, it's honestly a weird mentality.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Of course criticism can be applied. But I think it's fairly telling that despite winning by a great margin, coming from behind away from home and taking many of our chances, supporters will still find the energy/need to criticise the team/players. Like it's a thesis or scientific paper where you need to state the limitations of your study.

I find that really strange. Players will have misplaced passes, lost possession, missed chances, tackles or saves when they 'should' have been made. But isn't that normal? Even when City, Barcelona or Bayern win 10-0, there will be missed chances, passes and some players who won't have scored 10/10 upon review. What is it that we want? When will we be happy?

Lamela was excellent. He was trying out stuff and being probably over adventurous when it came to dribbles, attempted passes and attacking play. But if you can't do it when you're 2 or 3 goals up with 20min to play, when are you going to have fun, express yourself on the pitch and try out stuff? I think Pochettino wants players to be brave. He wants them to try and take risks and make mistakes. He wants Skipp, KWP, Winks and Dele to go for it - sometimes they will make mistakes and as a team we will lose out. Will people criticising Lamela also criticise Kane for his missed chances?

Reading some of the posts (not aimed at you) on here reminds me of my childhood - if I scored 98% on a maths test, I'd get asked what I got wrong and why I didn't score 100%. This is a forum and it's fair for all of us to express our joy and frustration equally. But I feel like it's kinda missing the bigger picture. The "yesssss, we won and we won well" picture.

I'd be surprised if other teams' fora are full of as many critique posts when their teams have won by as big a margin (Arsenal and Wet Spam fans aside). But maybe I'm wrong. Am I?

Don't go into the match thread while the game is on, it'll blow you away

 

[Khilari]

Yes exactly the point, the performance is hardly worth scrutiny seeing as we had a clear advantage, he would have been encouraged to try new things whether that would be play more through balls or try and dribble past opponents, okay some of the stuff he did didn't come off but when better to do them where we're 3 goals up in a game we've already won?

I highly doubt that Poch was tearing his hair out having a go at Lamela, he always allows our players to be adventurous when they play and be brave as long as their disciplined in defence, not everything will come off but it's a huge part of Poch's philosophy that he encourages.

I've always said that Lamela is a high risk/reward player anyway so you'll get the moments where he seem frustrating where he's trying to probe and play constant through balls and he'll hold onto the ball long enough to release it to another player in space however his play wielded a goal and we didn't concede so his performance can be only seen as successful and positive.

Unfortunately it seems that there has to be a scapegoat on here sometimes that people look down upon, like there's always something or someone to moan at, it's honestly a weird mentality.

Are we as a fan base just super critical compared to others? Is it a London thing?

 

[Khilari]

Don't go into the match thread while the game is on, it'll blow you away

I actively avoid them these days... sadly. We should have a "FFS" counter up as a 'critique barometer'.

 

[Shadydan]

Are we as a fan base just super critical compared to others? Is it a London thing?

British mentality I think, always need something or someone to criticise.

 

[Khilari]

British mentality I think, always need something or someone to criticise.

I get the feeling though that fans of other teams e.g. W Brom, Leeds, Sunderland seem to be a lot more forgiving.

Sure they are conditioned through many years of misery to accept any small success they get with overwhelming joy.

But (as an 80s child) - this Spurs squad is blowing my mind and I just can't help but watch them with pride. Do I have a moan at some players when they give it away or miss stuff? Sure - but overall I'm still so incredibly grateful to get to be part of this team's journey in the stands. I'd have thought others of my generation would feel the same?

 

[deadlight]

I can't remember the last time I read. Every. Page. Of the match thread. All of it.

 

[kmk]

Comments in the Guardian Match Report.

 

[Blackrat1299]

my favorite part of the match was the commentator saying Everton was displaying the very soft center of their toffees. You guys definitely have a flair for the your language.

I have corrected it for you.

 

[HobokenSpur]

Can we permaban the above 4? Lol...

 

[Bulletspur]

His rejuvenation certainly puts him to the forefront of people's minds... but I'd still have to say Eriksen, Son and Dele are my contenders at present.

If he learnt to shoot however...

I usually respect your views @Khilari but how can you say Eriksen is contender where by his own very high standards he has been very average this season? I have only seen on occasion the real Eriksen in fits and starts this season. Son definitely, Dele maybe but not Eriksen at the moment despite that wonder goal yesterday. It really feels strange writing this but Sissoko has had more influence than Eriksen in games so far this season. My opinion of course.

 

[kmk]

I usually respect your views @Khilari but how can you say Eriksen is contender where by his own very high standards he has been very average this season? I have only seen on occasion the real Eriksen in fits and starts this season. Son definitely, Dele maybe but not Eriksen at the moment despite that wonder goal yesterday. It really feels strange writing this but Sissoko has had more influence than Eriksen in games so far this season. My opinion of course.

Son only started playing well from the win against Chelsea (after the International break). Until then he had struggled due to the World Cup and Asian Games.

 

[Mr Pink]

For me player of the season is the one who has shown the most consistency.

If you were doing a shortlist so far, Kane Alderweireld and Sissoko would definitely be on it. Dele as well.

In more recent weeks Son and Eriksen have hit proper form, and we're only half way through the season.

 

[Bulletspur]

For me player of the season is the one who has shown the most consistency.

If you were doing a shortlist so far, Kane Alderweireld and Sissoko would definitely be on it. Dele as well.

In more recent weeks Son and Eriksen have hit proper form, and we're only half way through the season.

Yes I will go with this

 

[Shadydan]

Alderweireld has been our best player consistently this season closely followed by Dele but I'm not mad if Sissoko wins it, would be quite the turnaround for him.

 

[nedley]

For me player of the season is the one who has shown the most consistency.

If you were doing a shortlist so far, Kane Alderweireld and Sissoko would definitely be on it. Dele as well.

In more recent weeks Son and Eriksen have hit proper form, and we're only half way through the season.

I think Dele has been nothing short of incredible this season.

We have a world star on our hands. Another one.

 

[Bulletspur]

I think Dele has been nothing short of incredible this season.

We have a world star on our hands. Another one.

He has been good but no need to over hype him by going the top with your assessment

 

[Khilari]

I usually respect your views @Khilari but how can you say Eriksen is contender where by his own very high standards he has been very average this season? I have only seen on occasion the real Eriksen in fits and starts this season. Son definitely, Dele maybe but not Eriksen at the moment despite that wonder goal yesterday. It really feels strange writing this but Sissoko has had more influence than Eriksen in games so far this season. My opinion of course.

Oh wow really?

I thought and agreed that by his own admission he was tired after the summer and needed the break he's had. And so you're right to say that he hadn't started the season well by his own standards.

But he's been so key to everything good we've been doing for the last month - imperious I think. Perhaps my opinion is a little early - but we won't know till the season's over.

Sissoko has been really good recently - but I don't think he started the season particularly well but has really grown into the CM role since Moussa Dembele's injury. But it is really great to see a player to go from his form and derision to what he is contributing now.

 

[nedley]

He has been good but no need to over hype him by going the top with your assessment

Come again? On the second bottle of mulled wine already?

 

[nedley]

This fucking place.