ENIC...

[davidmatzdorf]

While I agree that ENIC have been very good for us, anyone buying us now would need serious money behind them.

Or they could do a Glazer and leverage the club for the debt needed to acquire it. There are all kinds of ways a sale by ENIC could leave us worse off.

Lewis and Levy are Spurs fans. I doubt they would sell to anyone whom they didn't trust to guard and build the club.

 

[vegassd]

In amongst the back patting for ENIC (of which I’m a part) I would have to say one of my darkest days as a Sours fan was the night Jol got canned. That whole evening - with the media feeding frenzy - was just awful and ranks among my worst criticisms of Levy.

I think more than any footballing stuff they need to learn to respect the fans more.I understand Levy has to protect the stakeholders etc but we also saw some stuff with the stadium where it felt like the vision first and the fans second. I do think they have a blind spot just in terms of fan emotion.

We are yet to see what happens with player spending, but I honestly can’t see that emotional tie strengthening. I hope it does of course, but maybe that’s why it’s so easy to hate them. Saying that, how many owners get an emotional tie to their fans, whilst providing all the facilities etc?

 

[shelfmonkey]

In amongst the back patting for ENIC (of which I’m a part) I would have to say one of my darkest days as a Sours fan was the night Jol got canned. That whole evening - with the media feeding frenzy - was just awful and ranks among my worst criticisms of Levy.

I think more than any footballing stuff they need to learn to respect the fans more.I understand Levy has to protect the stakeholders etc but we also saw some stuff with the stadium where it felt like the vision first and the fans second. I do think they have a blind spot just in terms of fan emotion.

We are yet to see what happens with player spending, but I honestly can’t see that emotional tie strengthening. I hope it does of course, but maybe that’s why it’s so easy to hate them. Saying that, how many owners get an emotional tie to their fans, whilst providing all the facilities etc?

I would suggest that the fans are the ultimate stakeholders, without fans there is no football club! It's about time ENIC understood this and work to getting a trophy winning team on the pitch.

 

[Metalhead]

I would suggest that the fans are the ultimate stakeholders, without fans there is no football club! It's about time ENIC understood this and work to getting a trophy winning team on the pitch.

That 4th place is almost a millstone these days. I get it that we need it from a financial perspective but perhaps naively I thought that in becoming regular finishers we would be attracting top level players that we all dreamed of.

 

[dontcallme]

That 4th place is almost a millstone these days. I get it that we need it from a financial perspective but perhaps naively I thought that in becoming regular finishers we would be attracting top level players that we all dreamed of.

10 years ago we couldn’t attract the quality of players we can now or pay their salary.

While not every signing works out the reputation of the players we buy now has considerably improved.

 

[whitestreak]

I would suggest that the fans are the ultimate stakeholders, without fans there is no football club! It's about time ENIC understood this and work to getting a trophy winning team on the pitch.

Whilst i appreciate the sentiment, and whilst historically, I agree you were probably right, I honestly do not think you are wholly right today.
I guess it comes down to the use of the word Fan...
If by fans today you mean only those that go to the game then I disagree completely, because our Matchday revenue is only 25% approx of our total revenue.
If you are talking about fans in the widest sense including anyone that watches on TV anywhere in the world, or who buys our merchandise, or who identifies as such, that is another metric, but a lot of them definitely do not come on websites like this.
Ultimately plenty of football clubs have gone broke with a fan base
In this capitalist world we live in the fans are consumers of a packaged product
vital as a collective but not indispensable individually.
Not quite as irrelevant as consumers of say a bar of Cadbury's, as opposed to mars. But unfortunately headed that way. Call me cynical, but i honestly feel that a lot of the soul has gone out of the game.
I think we as a club have a worldwide fan base of more than 35 million people spread all over the world ....

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the "local" soul of the club has all but gone?
Of course they all want to see us win, but "where it ends up is like any business growing the customer base" and then getting them all to pay say a £10 a week at least 38 - 52 weeks a year to watch it on pay per view or merchandising
Once they have sold the naming rights and reduced the debt burden
They can really spend it on the pitch capture more fans and generate more success
That is the ultimate prize for ENIC why would they sell for a couple of billion when if they are smart, they can earn that a season? within the next 10 years
if they can grow close to where Man U are now and turn those say 500 million
fans into cash flow by some kind of pay per view/surely that is what is driving them.
Someone once said religion is the best business in the world, (how many times have you ever heard of a religion going broke? Even the crazy ones!)
Football is a bit like a religion, as Bill Shankly said "it is not a matter of life or death ........It is far more important than that'
So to paint a picture of a slightly dystopian future where Google Amazon Microsoft welcome as an equal in size and clout Real Barca and Spurs may not be the joke you think it is now" Now whilst that latter statement is a bit of an exaggeration, it is to illustrate the point that, ENIC may have a different long term agenda to anyone else's preconceived ideas.(including mine)
In closing of course Spurs and their fans are aligned on seeking long-term success on the pitch it is how we get there.
However there 35 million worldwide Spurs Fans, which coincidentally is about the same as the total Brexit Vote of Both sides put together.
Most of them would claim to love their country, but getting 35 million people to agree on anything else apart from their love of spurs is a bit of a stretch

 

[Shadydan]

I would suggest that the fans are the ultimate stakeholders, without fans there is no football club! It's about time ENIC understood this and work to getting a trophy winning team on the pitch.

Posts like these are really infuriating, just shows total ignorance and lack of understanding.

 

[dudu]

I would suggest that the fans are the ultimate stakeholders, without fans there is no football club! It's about time ENIC understood this and work to getting a trophy winning team on the pitch.

Weve had a team good enough to win trophies multiple times. Better than some teams who eventually won in those seasons.

 

[shelfmonkey]

Posts like these are really infuriating, just shows total ignorance and lack of understanding.

Don't fucking read them then!?

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

I would suggest that the fans are the ultimate stakeholders, without fans there is no football club! It's about time ENIC understood this and work to getting a trophy winning team on the pitch.

Many would argue that Levy has put the fans first by taking our stadium capacity from 36 thousand to a 62 thousand seater stadium. He's done so whilst keeping the financials very stable and the team in extremely good nick across the last 5-6 seasons.

It couldn't have been easy balancing all 3 key things, instead of hammering the club how about we look at how all of the structure surrounding us these days sets us up for the next 5,10, 15 years etc and moving forward?

Most teams have a chance to win the occasional trophy, very few have the structure that allows themselves to compete for those trophies regularly. Can anyone say when they look at everything we are geared with now that we aren't clearly pushing towards those levels of sustainability? The club has aalready repaid £400m-£500m on the stadium, long before we moved in...do you not think that this prudent and sensible approach that leaves us with a £700m debt instead of a £1.2bn debt helps us balance onnfield and off field goings on which, ultimately give us, the fans a better and less harmful approach to mounting a challenge? I mean we haven't even been in the new place for a whole season yet, how about we just show a little more patience as this new era settles down a little?

 

[Shadydan]

Don't fucking read them then!?

Normally helps if you don't write them in the first place.

 

[shelfmonkey]

Normally helps if you don't write them in the first place.

It's just my opinion, that's what these sites are all about.

 

[Shadydan]

It's just my opinion, that's what these sites are all about.

Okay

 

[davidmatzdorf]

It's just my opinion, that's what these sites are all about.

No it isn't. "Opinion" is way overrated. Observation, facts and analysis are much better.

 

[shelfmonkey]

No it isn't. "Opinion" is way overrated. Observation, facts and analysis are much better.

Ok, if that's how you feel, then why don't you take your condescending, sanctimonious pseudo intellectualism elsewhere and leave us dumkopfs to it! They'd love you on COYS!???

 

[dontcallme]

I would suggest that the fans are the ultimate stakeholders, without fans there is no football club! It's about time ENIC understood this and work to getting a trophy winning team on the pitch.

But isn't that true for any business? No business survives without customers so therefore the customers are the stakeholders, not the stakeholders.

In 2017/18 our turnover was £381m. Our match receipts was £71m. TV and media was £148m. So judging by your criteria the TV and media are our stakeholders so ENIC should be putting them over the fans.

I am going to stick with my old-fashioned view that the stakeholders are the stakeholders, the fans are the fans, the players are the players, money is money, men can be women etc.

 

[yankspurs]

There eill be a day when this fucking bunch finally fucks off. And oh what a great day that will be.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

takeover from an owner which would invest ON THE PITCH is our only hope

 

[Lighty64]

There eill be a day when this fucking bunch finally fucks off. And oh what a great day that will be.

another troll post from you hank. ENIC wasn't the 1 that selected our weakest defence against a team with pace. that today was Moaninho's FULL STOP

 

[Shadydan]

Oh look we lose and thread gets bumped again what a surprise lol