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[Archibald&Crooks]

it does to me, it's constant complaining and saying levy spends no cash even though spurs have spent over 150 mill since the summer. If you then read on twitter there is constant moaning about how little money we supposedly spend, get levy out and levy is cheap. Even the striker situation there are so many who just wanted anyone even if they were crap and not suited to the team. Everyone is a manager these days and can do better than professionals it seems.

I was talking about people complaining and not giving Levy credit for his past. They do. I'm not sure what you're point is, we all know people are complaining/moaning or whatnot, nobody is disputing that. Why on earth did you quote my post

Anyway, back to what I was actually talking about and not what you thought I was on about......... taking it a step further, just for no other reason than I'm at a loose end........ People complain about stuff all the time and don't give credit. I don't see why anyone who has a complaint about Levy seemingly HAS to mitigate it with but yeah, he's done some good stuff too. If that's the case I'd like to know this....... where are you all when players get roundly ****ed off and are subjected to vitriolic hate on here.

You never (or hardly ever) see someone say Danny Rose is an atomic piece of shit but fair enough he played well for a few years or the suchlike. So why does anything negative about Levy have to come with a disclaimer and nobody else being criticised does? Why does anyone have to complain about Levy and make it clear they also appreciate the good things he's done. Just because someone moans about him doesn't make him unappreciative of the other stuff.

Anyway, meh, this whole thing always goes around and around and its the same stuff all the time. People are fed up with Levy, people are fed up with people being fed up with Levy, people are fed up with people being fed up with people being fed up about Levy.

Me? I'm being careful what I wish for because the grass isn't always greener and I don't want us to do a Leeds. That should get me in with the cool cats

 

[spursfan77]

Just saw on twitter that some people are thinking of organising a protest ????????

Fuck me, what entitled bellends. Imagine what fans of lower league teams up to their eyeballs in debt and about to go under think about that. Utter wallys.

All that’s going to do is reflect badly on all spurs fans.

 

[Shadydan]

Just saw on twitter that some people are thinking of organising a protest ????????

Fuck me, what entitled bellends. Imagine what fans of lower league teams up to their eyeballs in debt and about to go under think about that. Utter wallys.

All that’s going to do is reflect badly on all spurs fans.

Absolute top dickheads lol

 

[spursfan77]

Absolute top dickheads lol

Im really struggling to comprehend their mindset.

 

[Shadydan]

Im really struggling to comprehend their mindset.

Self entitled, impatient, myopic spoilt brats, don't even try to understand it - it's pointless.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I would say that this window is probably better than I expected given its Jan, we got Bergwijn and Gedson while taking the option on Lo Celso and getting rid of Rose, Eriksen etc.

The issue is that we failed for about 2-3 years maybe due to the stadium project or whatever to fully support the team. In the end it cost Pochettino his job as the fall guy and left us a huge rebuild that is only partially complete. This window as a stand alone is quite good but in the context of our requirements still short. I can see both sides to this debate from the anti and pro ENIC viewpoints.

Yea agree with that mate it’s a solid window but just frustrating that we let ourselves get into this position.

On one hand of course we have to realise that spending was restricted during the stadium build and also accept that in the past 2 windows we have started to speynd more and do some sort of re-build BUT the fact we have no other striker than Kane is just another classic example of our poor squad management over the years. So so many mangers were not backed properly and our squads have been missing one thing of another which has ultimately cost us trophies.

ENIC/Levy have done an absolutely incredible, unrivalled job with our infrastructure and we have improved massively on the pitch with our league finishes, no other club since ENIC took over have improved as much as we have in so many ways aside from ones who’ve had billionaires come and pump money in so we should be very grateful but it’s just so so frustrating that from the outside it seems that Levy gets too involved with transfers and the football side and it lets us down from making that final step. Perhaps we can get a good DofF again ideally that Luis Campos guy in Summer and if we have a good net spend again and actually address our weaknesses such as RB,LB,CB?,CDM,ST then we can start to see light at the end of the tunnel with levy’s spending and the squad management but the lack of a ST in jan was just a repetition of years and years of not addressing our squad weaknesses which is tiring and disappointing as we’re very close to doing something special.

COYS.

 

[shelfboy68]

Yea agree with that mate it’s a solid window but just frustrating that we let ourselves get into this position.

On one hand of course we have to realise that spending was restricted during the stadium build and also accept that in the past 2 windows we have started to speynd more and do some sort of re-build BUT the fact we have no other striker than Kane is just another classic example of our poor squad management over the years. So so many mangers were not backed properly and our squads have been missing one thing of another which has ultimately cost us trophies.

ENIC/Levy have done an absolutely incredible, unrivalled job with our infrastructure and we have improved massively on the pitch with our league finishes, no other club since ENIC took over have improved as much as we have in so many ways aside from ones who’ve had billionaires come and pump money in so we should be very grateful but it’s just so so frustrating that from the outside it seems that Levy gets too involved with transfers and the football side and it lets us down from making that final step. Perhaps we can get a good DofF again ideally that Luis Campos guy in Summer and if we have a good net spend again and actually address our weaknesses such as RB,LB,CB?,CDM,ST then we can start to see light at the end of the tunnel with levy’s spending and the squad management but the lack of a ST in jan was just a repetition of years and years of not addressing our squad weaknesses which is tiring and disappointing as we’re very close to doing something special.

COYS.

The two who we have brought in during January might work out to be astute business but the fuck up with the striker situation wasn't confined to this window but previous.
The time to have recruited one was the summer especially when llorente left that was the window of missed opportunity on that front, which is why we now like times past we are playing catch up in a situation that the club should never have been in.

 

[Gb160]

Just saw on twitter that some people are thinking of organising a protest ????????

Fuck me, what entitled bellends. Imagine what fans of lower league teams up to their eyeballs in debt and about to go under think about that. Utter wallys.

All that’s going to do is reflect badly on all spurs fans.

Absolute embarrassment some of our fans.
Shocking lack of self-awareness.

 

[Spurslove]

I think we've had a great window but it could have been an absolutely brilliant one if only we'd managed to get a decent striker in.

However...it wasn't just a question of bringing in anyone just for the sake of it, that's not how football works (as I see it) and on the same tack, if United fans are happy with the signing of Ighalo as a striker, I'll be absolutely astonished. He's a Watford reject and he has absolutely no pedigree of succeeding in the EPL.

Yes, we could have bought Bowen but he's a wide player and we havee our fair share of them.

Giroud was prevented to join us by his club even though he'd said he wanted to remain in London. Piatek is apparently useless, and Jose had the rug pulled from under him because Real Sociedad couldn't find a replacement for him.

All these are 'alleged' appraisals according to the comments of many others.

I can just imagine what would have happened among the Spurs fans if we'd gone after Benteke...!

It's really hard to know what Levy and ENIC are expected to have done to change our situation. Proven EPL strikers are not exactly lining up outside our door and anyway, as I've said elsewhere, we have enough players now to start contributing their fair share of goals but they all need a good kick up the arse regarding their finishing skills to solve the problem.

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[rez9000]

Believing that people who disagree with you are "dumb" simply because they disagree with you is actually a trait of a narcissist leaning toward the psychopathic side of life.... or ironically of a dumb person. Lumping everybody into the same bracket by saying "You guys..." is just lazy.

I haven't posted on this forum for ages specifically because of people like you. The small-mindedness of yourself and similar posters isn't limited to this debate, it can be seen in players threads, match threads, even general chat. It is painful to read and has made me not want to be involved with the rest of the folk on here.

If you take the time to read people's posts properly and try to remove your own opinion bias as much as possible you will start to see that many pro-ENIC people point out times when they messed up. Just as many anti-ENIC people can appreciate good things they do. There are some very eloquent posters on both sides of the argument, although probably still out-numbered by the one-liners we see! There are lots of good arguments for and against if you take the time to "see" instead of just "look".

The idea of pro-ENIC is not something limited to this forum. People on the outside (press, pundits etc.) never have the full story and are paid to deliver stories, so listening to them verbatim is not the recipe for the truth. Many normal fans of our club are overall happy with the owners. Many normal fans of other clubs are jealous of our owners. Your post above is simply incorrect.

I'm not saying you are the only person who has ever said something bad, but making posts like these genuinely spoils the experience for other people. And consider this; if you really don't care about other people and what they think, then perhaps that means your own views are inherently limited.

If you choose to not consider other people's points of view you do not limit their potential to be right... you limit your own.


PS. Don't bother replying to this because I doubt I'll be posting again any time soon. The Norwich game last week was my first trip to the new stadium and it massively re-ignited my passion for the club, so I wanted to pop my head up and say "Hi" to my fellow fans who are feeling a bit jaded by this debate. There are many positives around the club at the moment, don't let the naysayers get you down.

First off, I wish I could 'Winner' this multiple times.

Second, my fervent hope is that you change your stance and we do see more of you on the forum, Vegas

 

[Bulletspur]

First off, I wish I could 'Winner' this multiple times.

Second, my fervent hope is that you change your stance and we do see more of you on the forum, Vegas

Exactly what I told him @rez9000

 

[LeParisien]

I said a year ago, after 18 months of no spending that I fully support levy but we need to see spending on quality or I would be critical. We did that last summer. I renewed the pledge before this transfer window. And I’m doing it again ahead of this summer where I feel we need a rb, #9 and probably a dm. And quality players. Not janssen / nkoudous.

Im as staunch a defender of Levy as you’ll find but I’m open about things ahead of time. This is a new era now the stadium is open and we will spend more because we can. The squad will go from strength to strength now. Very optimistic about next season.

 

[RosieFTL]

In my opinion ENIC's entire philosophy in their 19 years has been to make as much money as possible whilst charging the highest ticket prices in the land. Any on field achievement or success is a by product and not the aim unlike many other owners. However protest is pointless from a small majority.

My protest is done in other ways. I have to give them the cost of the season ticket/home tickets in order to see the games (the cost of away tickets goes to the away team) but I don't give them another penny otherwise - not in the stadium, club shop, online, etc.

 

[spursfan77]

Absolute embarrassment some of our fans.
Shocking lack of self-awareness.

I’m looking forward to them pouring over our next set of accounts to show us where enic have gone wrong, taken money from the club and not invested. There seems to be a lot of experts on twitter so it will be great to get their thoughts!

 

[buckley]

I don't no why you come on this site as you not a supporter as you have confessed to .
Anybody that chooses not to pay the prices is not a real supporter the clue is in the word support .
If you can't afford the prices and my sympathies go out to anybody who wants to go out can't afford to .
I find the prices difficult myself it is my choice to pay because spurs are my team I am fan a supporter .
If you can afford to pay but choose not to you are not a fan .
The going to away games is just camouflage because anybody would like to be part of the spurs away day experience as anybody will tell you the away days are brilliant win lose or draw .
Choose to pay you are a supporter
Someone who cannot afford to pay but would go if they could you are supporters
You can afford to pay but chose not to you lose the right to call yourself a supporter .

 

[Gb160]

I’m looking forward to them pouring over our next set of accounts to show us where enic have gone wrong, taken money from the club and not invested. There seems to be a lot of experts on twitter so it will be great to get their thoughts!

 

[spids]

For me Daniel Levy / ENIC have been really good owners. Would anyone seriously want to swap them for Mike Ashley, the Glazers, a dodgy oil state using the club to 'sports-wash' their regime or a money laundering billionaire? I agree that Levy could have been much bolder in his transfer strategy in recent years, but there are a whole host of clubs who would wish they had been a lot less bold with theirs (hello Leeds United). I am old enough to remember how Irving Scholar nearly put us out of business forever in the late 80's. And how Alan Sugar - after initially saving us from oblivion - turned us into mid-table also rans with a dreadfully awful style of football club ownership and investment. Those were key years as the Premier League and the Champions league both formed and we missed out on a seat at the top table. From 1992/3 - 2003/4 we became a second rate club, a poor relation to Man U and Arsenal. A poor relation to the financially doped Chelsea. Miles behind in results, trophies and importantly revenue. In those 12 seasons we only finished 3 of them with a positive goal difference, and those 'best' three years saw league finishes of 7th, 8th and 9th. Other than that we finished in the bottom half of the table. For the younger fans on here, a good comparison would be Bournemouth or Villa in terms of results. And the football was largely turgid (remember the 4 consecutive 0-0s George Graham oversaw?).

It was around 2003 that Levy and Lewis took a controlling interest in ENIC, who in turn took a controlling interest in Spurs. And we really did get our Tottenham back (which the older fans on here will remember we sung a lot in the 90's!). And Daniel Levy started buying up land around WHL with a long term plan to build a new stadium that would put us firmly back at the top table.

Fast forward 17 years, and Daniel Levy has delivered arguably the best football / sports stadium in the world. An amazing training complex. He has overseen us being a team that regularly lost and drew as many games as it won and could only dream of Europa League football, to being a club with 4 consecutive CL campaigns, culminating in reaching the final last season. We've just completed a decade where our worst position was 6th (which was still better than any league finish we managed between 1990 - 2005).

We managed all that with a NET spend of close to zero whilst we built the stadium. That was a necessity. Since the stadium opened our NET spend has been greater than £100M after two windows. Things are changing. Levy just hired Mourinho - he wouldn't have done that if he did not want to win things.

 

[wrd]

I don't no why you come on this site as you not a supporter as you have confessed to .
Anybody that chooses not to pay the prices is not a real supporter the clue is in the word support .
If you can't afford the prices and my sympathies go out to anybody who wants to go out can't afford to .
I find the prices difficult myself it is my choice to pay because spurs are my team I am fan a supporter .
If you can afford to pay but choose not to you are not a fan .
The going to away games is just camouflage because anybody would like to be part of the spurs away day experience as anybody will tell you the away days are brilliant win lose or draw .
Choose to pay you are a supporter
Someone who cannot afford to pay but would go if they could you are supporters
You can afford to pay but chose not to you lose the right to call yourself a supporter .

Absolute nonsense, firstly you don't define what a supporter is. Second of all people have lives where there's more to it than football believe it or not and when you want things in life sometimes you have to sacrifice things in order to achieve what you want. So to say to those that don't put watching other people achieve their life dreams on a football pitch above their own ambitions but still carve out 90 minutes of their day every-time Spurs are on is total nonsense. If you want to get up on your soap box and claim you're a better supporter than others because you're willing to put a football team above everything else, then fine that's your choice but don't lecture people that they're not supporters because they don't fit into your paradigm of what a supporter is.

 

[dontcallme]

If wanting to get on the housing ladder one day, go on holidays, take a financial risk setting up a business and having other financial priorities over spending money on going to games makes me not a supporter then I am fine with not being a supporter.

 

[Wakey]

As many have said before what is the point of a football club? It's to dream, to hope to reach for glory. It's a chance for us all to live vicariously and love: our life-long romance.

Levy (and yes, he's made many excellent *business* decisions) is without romance and actually when you compare him to other chairmen he only looks good against the incompetents (Leeds (?!), West Ham, Utd, Arsenal). These are appallingly run clubs.

He's clearly not as good as Leicester's owners or Southamptons (look at all the players they've bought and produced over the past decade and the managers they've appointed) or Chelsea's (for all their criticism at being a big spender that isn't that true in the last few years and they've made huge profits from sales while still winning trophies) or Brighton's (who also built a new stadium but through fan ownership and have maintained their status in the Premier league). And look at Liverpool - a team that were behind us and are now so far ahead it seems insurmountable with our current approach because their owners recognise that if you win on the pitch you win off the pitch too.

Levy has failed manager after manager by not backing them. And the policy of buying young prospects at reasonable prices has only just been revitalised after losing out on Grealish, Maddison, Robertson, Maguire, James etc. I bet it was Maguire going to Man Utd for 80m that made him hard for that policy again. The signings of N'Jie and N'koudou were fucking embarrassing and frankly insulting given the position Poch had got us to. And he managed to make that man, so beautifully obsessed with football, fall out of love with the game.

And to go off topic slightly, I think missing out on Sander Berge is a crime. At £22m it's a steal for a highly-rated 21 year old in a position we're desperate for. Even if he was utterly mediocre, we'd get the money back at that age. I think in 18 months he'll be at one of our rivals and will become a PL star. (However, to be fair to Levy, this might not be on him).

However he is a vampire when it comes to the romance of football. But he'll make a fortune and have a picture up of the one League Cup he's won in his time, in his gold-plated bathroom when ENIC finally sell up.

Saying you're grateful to Levy is like growing up in a rich home that's abusive, controlling and devoid of love but being told you're lucky because it's the best house in the world.