Eberechi Eze

[Powder Keg]

Yeah, this interpretation makes a lot of sense

I’m going for it’s common knowledge he’s been everywhere. Imagine the scenes when we get an actual cryptic.

 

[Farmdog]

Whoever occupies that position most often has to be able to achieve the primary objective of that area, which is beating the fullback on the inside for combinations OR the outside to reach the byline for cutbacks and crosses.

Udogie’s game isn’t about overlapping for this, he is more suited to underlapping runs on the blind side of defenders in to the box. Eze’s game is all about cutting inside, he rarely isolates defenders wide 1v1 to go to the byline for cutbacks or crosses.

If neither player is capable of stretching the opponent wide and regularly testing them on the outside, we won’t stretch teams enough which will mean we continue to struggle against low blocks and we won’t achieve the primary objective for that flank.

So a winger which EZE is not and not what I was pertaining to in my original post. I said midfielder, you’re talking about, as has been referred to a winger, such as Neto

 

[vegassd]

We have been told though numerous times I believe that Ange wants an elite 1v1 winger and also that Neto is his ideal style of winger.....and you are right though that there is other ways to beat teams but I don't think we do really create opportunities against low blocks and struggled hugely last season against them constantly. Maybe we will create a new system, but quite frankly if the system incorporates a player cutting in from the left with udogie going outside etc I would much rather son who is world class at it... doing that role then Eze.
But also, when was the last time there was a top team that didn't have pacey elite wingers because I cant think of any of the last 10 years.

I think if we start trawling through successful teams of the last 10 years we start getting away from the point, which is how Spurs are gonna play under Ange. I think the top teams tend to attract excellent players, and if you ask an excellent player to play on the wing they are going to be pretty good at it.

For me, that's the kind of player that Eze would be. I would agree that he is less of a traditional winger than Neto would be, but I also think he's a bit more flexible in terms of playing centrally, as well as being more of a goal threat. Whilst Neto is technically great, he doesn't typically score much, and I do wonder if he overlaps the role that Werner (and maybe Solomon?!) fills to the point where he would be seen as a less valuable signing.

It would be interesting if anyone is able to wrangle stats for chances created against low block teams vs. non-blocking teams, and be able to compare that to the other big 6. I'm pretty sure we were near the top in terms of chances created against the whole league, so I'm still not sure that is where the root problem lies.

I suppose my thinking is that even the best 1v1 type winger is still going to need to deliver the ball across a congested box and have somebody score the resulting chance. Solving that winger element is therefore only one part of the equation, whereas a player like Eze might be less capable of doing the winger bit, but more capable taking a long range shot himself and scoring that way.

 

[DiscoD1882]

has been everywhere common

Wimbledon?

 

[DannyNZ]

Why are people so pent up on needing a 1 v 1 winger? The major issues are ST and DM. We crate chances we can't score and we don't have any protection for the defence to help the leaky defence. A 1v1 winger isn't an essential and a preference more than a necessity

Think the amount of possession our front three coughed up was a big issue and their inability to break down low blocks. We need better quality across the whole front three, so a striker and wing upgrades are needed.

 

[Stoof]

Is it wrong to want us to NOT sign a technical 1v1 dribbler just for the Nick meltdown?

(Sorry Nick.)

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Is it wrong to want us to NOT sign a technical 1v1 dribbler just for the Nick meltdown?

(Sorry Nick.)

What I don't understand about all this is that Eze is a technical 1v1 dribbler...

 

[felmani26]

What I don't understand about all this is that Eze is a technical 1v1 dribbler...

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Would you want John McGinn as a wide forward?

 

[kd2000]

Would you want John McGinn as a wide forward?

Theres only a few on the list worth having

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Would you want John McGinn as a wide forward?

I wouldn't want John McGinn as anything. He's second to only Matty Cash in the 1v1 nobhead duels.

 

[mil1lion]

Is it wrong to want us to NOT sign a technical 1v1 dribbler just for the Nick meltdown?

(Sorry Nick.)

I just want to see his reaction when we sign a 1v1 dribbler and still fail to break a team down

I've always said we need runners in behind

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I just want to see his reaction when we sign a 1v1 dribbler and still fail to break a team down

I've always said we need runners in behind

I mean we never had any 1v1 dribblers under Poch and still finished with our highest ever points total in the prem era....

 

[Skilo]

I mean we never had any 1v1 dribblers under Poch and still finished with our highest ever points total in the prem era....

Imagine where we would have ended up if we did though..

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

What I don't understand about all this is that Eze is a technical 1v1 dribbler...

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We need it out wide, having it central would be a massive help too though.

I mean we never had any 1v1 dribblers under Poch and still finished with our highest ever points total in the prem era....

Imagine if we did have it though, would have got us over the line imo. Also we had Dembele central and he was a 1v1 monster, he created ridiculous amounts of space elsewhere by beating people.

I’m not saying Eze can’t help us and isn’t a good player. His dribbling would be very useful but it would be in central areas. We need it out wide too.

As for that Doue news, holy smokes!

 

[Dakes]

I mean we never had any 1v1 dribblers under Poch and still finished with our highest ever points total in the prem era....

We had a 1v3 dribbler in the Moose

 

[ItsBoris]

Remember when all wingers were 1v1 wingers.

Sort of. Man United would often have a crosser and a dribbler (Beckham/Giggs, Valencia/Nani)

 

[Toast]

I wouldn't want John McGinn as anything. He's second to only Matty Cash in the 1v1 nobhead duels.

John McGinn looks like someone scribbled a beard on a 3 year old

 

[ItsBoris]

Regardless of what formation he plays, someone is going to have provide the width out left, it’s an imperative part of his philosophy and style, regardless of the base formation.

Someone has to be the outlet out wide. If you have no one, you’ll end up with what you saw from England the other day, where we had no width down the left. The opposition were able to shuffle across and condense the middle of the pitch and double up on our right as they knew we had no outlet to stretch the pitch on the left.

So the outlet has to come from either the winger or the fullback. We currently use the winger.

Changing this outlet to be the fullback is a significant change and it isn’t one that suits Udogie imo. He is better underlapping and rotating positionally. He isn’t like Rose and Walker for Poch.

So we can tweak the formation and shuffle which position fills the gaps but by doing so there is a very good chance we stifle and stagnate Udogie, which seems crazy to me.

Udogie played like that for Udinese if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: Actually just found some quotes from him talking about it:

“I think left wing-back you are more free to attack, you have more space to attack,” Udogie, an Italy under-21 international who played at this summer’s Euros, says of the difference between the two roles. “Obviously, you play full width (as a wing-back) so it’s different.

“But I’m good because when I started I was a left-back. So it’s not a problem for me. I know how to play it and it’s normal.

“I like his (Postecoglou’s) idea of football. He wants to play football with the ball, wants to have the ball. It’s not like I defend and I counter-attack.”

“I have to say I liked Marcelo,” Udogie says. “I used to watch Marcelo a lot. Marcelo, Alex Sandro. I love the way Marcelo played football, it was so clean, you know, technique, the style, everything,

“I like to attack, to overlap the winger, to cut inside, to come inside driving the ball, different things.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3492450/2022/08/11/destiny-udogie-tottenham-conte/

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

has been everywhere common

Chessington world of adventures?

Hackney Road Bingo Hall?

Surely not the meat raffle at Bovingdon market?

Lads done his homework, sign him up.

 

[kitchen]

Udogie played like that for Udinese if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: Actually just found some quotes from him talking about it:

“I think left wing-back you are more free to attack, you have more space to attack,” Udogie, an Italy under-21 international who played at this summer’s Euros, says of the difference between the two roles. “Obviously, you play full width (as a wing-back) so it’s different.

“But I’m good because when I started I was a left-back. So it’s not a problem for me. I know how to play it and it’s normal.

“I like his (Postecoglou’s) idea of football. He wants to play football with the ball, wants to have the ball. It’s not like I defend and I counter-attack.”

“I have to say I liked Marcelo,” Udogie says. “I used to watch Marcelo a lot. Marcelo, Alex Sandro. I love the way Marcelo played football, it was so clean, you know, technique, the style, everything,

“I like to attack, to overlap the winger, to cut inside, to come inside driving the ball, different things.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3492450/2022/08/11/destiny-udogie-tottenham-conte/

Marcelo is a very good player to base your game off. Such a complete footballer.