Eberechi Eze

[cliff jones]

Such as?

the Kane money we got up front- good for the goose...
Equity from a new minority shareholder
Naming rights
Various third party financing institutions to whom we pay a fee to spread 30 or 40 over 4 or 5 years- paying the first half up front ourselves
Selling Brennan J to Brentford
Bank robbery
Selling our new hotel to ourselves
Kidnapping Joe Lewis' daughter
Wheel the Wheelbarrow back out
Mobilise the overdraft

Just off the top of my head

 

[HildoSpur]

the Kane money we got up front- good for the goose...
Equity from a new minority shareholder
Naming rights
Various third party financing institutions to whom we pay a fee to spread 30 or 40 over 4 or 5 years- paying the first half up front ourselves
Selling Brennan J to Brentford
Bank robbery
Selling our new hotel to ourselves
Kidnapping Joe Lewis' daughter
Wheel the Wheelbarrow back out
Mobilise the overdraft

Just off the top of my head

Ok so actually nothing. I do like some of the ideas though

 

[Ghost Hardware]

don't know how to rate this- completely and uncharacteristically wrong on the first point, then back in your top poster groove for the second.

Unquestionably ways to have financed the Eze deal. Still, Baena should still just about be gettable during the next two windows- but if we're 8th at Xmas I don't think the leadership team will be taking any such risks..

If you go through the most expensive transfers in history there are only a handful that were paid in full upfront above the 50 mil mark. The majority of those are by clubs like PSG. At the start of the window I actually wrote a very long post counting the number of times, teams and players but decided not to posts it. If I can be bothered I’ll rewrite it. It really doesn’t happen very often and almost never by a team outside of the CL. I mean Eze is still at CP despite the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, City etc all being linked to him this summer. City for one have had long term interest and wanted to buy him last year. There was even ITK saying that his RC was putting clubs off. The reality is the vast majority of transfers are done in instalments often lasting many years. Furthermore it is well documented that Levy dislikes them and supposedly we even went so far as to offer more than Eze’s RC to which we were turned down.

One also needs too keep in mind, as has been mentioned numerous times in this thread, the condition of our current very favourable loan agreement likely has an impact on any further loans we might want to make to cover such upfront payments via a third party. I’m no expert in finances but @sidford (I think it was) who works in the field made a few excellent posts detailing the potential difficulties of facilitating such a deal. This was not an easy deal to do especially for us.

Maybe if we hadn’t have done any other business then we could have swung Eze but we needed depth to account for the significant number of games we have this season. Getting just Eze wouldn’t have helped us. Maybe in the short term and in the individual game but our limited squad would have coursed us numerous problems once the EL and cup games start flowing thick and fast.

Also not getting the CL bonus can’t be ignored, that is a huge chunk of money that also helps facilitate transfers that require a large down payment. This really shouldn’t be forgotten and there were even press reports before summer suggesting we had two transfer plans, one if we got CL and another if we didn’t.

Personally I don’t blame Levy at all for not getting Eze as I said, I just wish we hadn’t waisted so much time chasing him. He’s a good player for sure but there are other good players and I’m not sure why as a fan base we became so obsessed with him. It seems he has become the poster boy for why our window was a “disaster”. For a start I don’t think it was, could and should have been better for sure but not a disaster and secondly we talk about Eze as if he is a world class superstar. Yes he’s very good but I am not sure he is or ever will be world class. Whilst he was good in the game yesterday I found him rather a frustrating and a somewhat peripheral figure in his first two matches and overall wasn’t really controlling the game like he can. In comparison not getting Neto for me when it likely would have taken 4 or 5 extra mil to Mendes to swing it for us does however irk me as that was a realistic deal for a player in a position we desperately needed strengthening.

But that is just my opinion and ultimately the problem we have is very evidently with the RW and Eze is not a RW. Yes we probably also need a good back up/rotation option for Maddison but i don’t see the need for us to pay 60 mil upfront for Eze when there are others, like Baena, who could be brought in for half as much and not have the knock on effect of limiting the rest of our business due to the payment structure.

Ultimately we don’t need to be getting 60/70 mil players who are in their mid to late twenties to elevate us. A couple of 45-55 mil players who are in their early twenties would have done the trick imo. I just don’t personally see why Eze is being made into the straw that broke the camels back

 

[cliff jones]

If you go through the most expensive transfers in history there are only a handful that were paid in full upfront above the 50 mil mark. The majority of those are by clubs like PSG. At the start of the window I actually wrote a very long post counting the number of times, teams and players but decided not to posts it. If I can be bothered I’ll rewrite it. It really doesn’t happen very often and almost never by a team outside of the CL. I mean Eze is still at CP despite the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, City etc all being linked to him this summer. City for one have had long term interest and wanted to buy him last year. There was even ITK saying that his RC was putting clubs off. The reality is the vast majority of transfers are done in instalments often lasting many years. Furthermore it is well documented that Levy dislikes them and supposedly we even went so far as to offer more than Eze’s RC to which we were turned down.

One also needs too keep in mind, as has been mentioned numerous times in this thread, the condition of our current very favourable loan agreement likely has an impact on any further loans we might want to make to cover such upfront payments via a third party. I’m no expert in finances but @sidford (I think it was) who works in the field made a few excellent posts detailing the potential difficulties of facilitating such a deal. This was not an easy deal to do especially for us.

Maybe if we hadn’t have done any other business then we could have swung Eze but we needed depth to account for the significant number of games we have this season. Getting just Eze wouldn’t have helped us. Maybe in the short term and in the individual game but our limited squad would have coursed us numerous problems once the EL and cup games start flowing thick and fast.

Also not getting the CL bonus can’t be ignored, that is a huge chunk of money that also helps facilitate transfers that require a large down payment. This really shouldn’t be forgotten and there were even press reports before summer suggesting we had two transfer plans, one if we got CL and another if we didn’t.

Personally I don’t blame Levy at all for not getting Eze as I said, I just wish we hadn’t waisted so much time chasing him. He’s a good player for sure but there are other good players and I’m not sure why as a fan base we became so obsessed with him. It seems he has become the poster boy for why our window was a “disaster”. For a start I don’t think it was, could and should have been better for sure but not a disaster and secondly we talk about Eze as if he is a world class superstar. Yes he’s very good but I am not sure he is or ever will be world class. Whilst he was good in the game yesterday I found him rather a frustrating and a somewhat peripheral figure in his first two matches and overall wasn’t really controlling the game like he can. In comparison not getting Neto for me when it likely would have taken 4 or 5 extra mil to Mendes to swing it for us does however irk me as that was a realistic deal for a player in a position we desperately needed strengthening.

But that is just my opinion and ultimately the problem we have is very evidently with the RW and Eze is not a RW. Yes we probably also need a good back up/rotation option for Maddison but i don’t see the need for us to pay 60 mil upfront for Eze when there are others, like Baena, who could be brought in for half as much and not have the knock on effect of limiting the rest of our business due to the payment structure.

Ultimately we don’t need to be getting 60/70 mil players who are in their mid to late twenties to elevate us. A couple of 45-55 mil players who are in their early twenties would have done the trick imo. I just don’t personally see why Eze is being made into the straw that broke the camels back

Thanks for reply. You effectively described Solanke in there somewhere.

RW is an issue, as is the left side of defence, as is holding mid, as is attack mid.

I don't wanna watch Maddison turning this,way and that, slowing our attacks down, or Kulu who just doesn't see the final ball quickly enough. Eze does it all fluently, at pace, and with his head up.

He was gettable. 30 up front. 40 spread via a third party. Other posters,are just speculating.

Solanke and Eze. 130m.

Solanke, Gray and Odobert. Similar money.

 

[HildoSpur]

Thanks for reply. You effectively described Solanke in there somewhere.

RW is an issue, as is the left side of defence, as is holding mid, as is attack mid.

I don't wanna watch Maddison turning this,way and that, slowing our attacks down, or Kulu who just doesn't see the final ball quickly enough. Eze does it all fluently, at pace, and with his head up.

He was gettable. 30 up front. 40 spread via a third party. Other posters,are just speculating.

Solanke and Eze. 130m.

Solanke, Gray and Odobert. Similar money.

Where are you getting that from? By all accounts we offered OVER the release clause but they refused because they wanted the lot up front.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Where are you getting that from? By all accounts we offered OVER the release clause but they refused because they wanted the lot up front.

He means taking out a loan to cover the rest upfront. I think

 

[HildoSpur]

He means taking out a loan to cover the rest upfront. I think

Ah ok got it. Though wasn't it suggested that we were unable to consider this due to the stadium debt or something? I honestly don't see the fuss about Eze anyway, he is good but you would think he was the second coming of Messi the way some in here talk about him.

 

[DannyNZ]

Paying 60 mil in one lump some is crazy. It very rarely happens outside of the oil clubs. I don’t think anyone can blame Levy for not paying it so if one feels frustrated about us not getting him it should be directed at Parish if anything. But it is true that we should have certainly moved on sooner instead of chasing a lost cause for months.

We could have got Baena instead for example who has already created 11 chances in his first 3 games. Those are insane numbers, the last Villarreal player to do that was Riquelme back in 2006 who is a legend.

Yep, I’m unconvinced that Maddison can consistently be the creative spark for this team and I am totally convinced Kulu is not the answer. Maddison needs genuine competition and rotation, for whatever reason Ange left him on yesterday when he was flagging and we paid for that with him being totally exposed in the midfield. Sadly the squad just had so much to do and we still lack genuine cover at LB and GK and covering VDV by moving Romero to LCB is sub optimal, while Biss has been better he’s not a dominant DCM.

 

[DannyNZ]

the Kane money we got up front- good for the goose...
Equity from a new minority shareholder
Naming rights
Various third party financing institutions to whom we pay a fee to spread 30 or 40 over 4 or 5 years- paying the first half up front ourselves
Selling Brennan J to Brentford
Bank robbery
Selling our new hotel to ourselves
Kidnapping Joe Lewis' daughter
Wheel the Wheelbarrow back out
Mobilise the overdraft

Just off the top of my head

You forgot ramping up ticket and merchandise prices

 

[cliff jones]

You forgot ramping up ticket and merchandise prices

He's already done that

 

[philll]

He was gettable. 30 up front. 40 spread via a third party. Other posters,are just speculating.

Everyone else is "speculating" but here you are, pulling numbers out of thin air, and that's... different? Unless you know a lot more than you're letting on about the club's finances, you have no more authority than anyone else to say what is and isn't possible. The most reasonable-sounding theory during the window was that we wouldn't have been able to borrow because of the terms on the stadium finance. I don't like that we didn't get Eze but it's not like the club were actively not trying to sign players - the money that would've had to go in a lump on him might've jeopardised other deals or commitments to paying instalments for previous transfers. We spent over £40m on an 18 year old ffs, if the Eze deal was doable, it would've been done.

 

[Martinhotspur]

Thanks for reply. You effectively described Solanke in there somewhere.

RW is an issue, as is the left side of defence, as is holding mid, as is attack mid.

I don't wanna watch Maddison turning this,way and that, slowing our attacks down, or Kulu who just doesn't see the final ball quickly enough. Eze does it all fluently, at pace, and with his head up.

He was gettable. 30 up front. 40 spread via a third party. Other posters,are just speculating.

Solanke and Eze. 130m.

Solanke, Gray and Odobert. Similar money.

I like Eze, but he probably has a bit more room to play, as I doubt many teams are going to play the low block against Crystal Palace.

 

[Stoof]

He was gettable. 30 up front. 40 spread via a third party. Other posters are just speculating.

Tell me again how the last sentence isn't the first three sentences.

 

[cliff jones]

Tell me again how the last sentence isn't the first three sentences.

I talk sense, they make shit up to defend him. Next?

 

[Boots22]

 

[Johnny J]

the last Villarreal player to do that was Riquelme back in 2006 who is a legend.

Ah, those heady days when we were linked with Riquelme. What a career he could have had with us.

 

[purplemonkey]

Yeah I think we had an “interest”, we enquired, we walked away and that was the extent of it. SC continues to obsess over Eze as it was called so early in the window, but there was absolutely no noise about this move coming from anywhere else - and you’d think judging by the blow by blow reporting on Olise and Guehi that something would’ve leaked if there was anything close to a serious dialogue. Maybe we can finally put to bed the notion that he was our number one target when there’s nothing to indicate that we made any real effort to sign him?

 

[cliff jones]

Yeah I think we had an “interest”, we enquired, we walked away and that was the extent of it. SC continues to obsess over Eze as it was called so early in the window, but there was absolutely no noise about this move coming from anywhere else - and you’d think judging by the blow by blow reporting on Olise and Guehi that something would’ve leaked if there was anything close to a serious dialogue. Maybe we can finally put to bed the notion that he was our number one target when there’s nothing to indicate that we made any real effort to sign him?

I take it you took the itk at the time with a bucket of salt? By serious interest you mean not low-balling with smaller money and a player they thought we overvalued?

He might have come in handy though.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

 

[Albertbarich]

In other news I’ve asked to be kept informed of Margot Robbie’s relationship status.