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ChubbSpur

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Ricardo Rocha is the only defender we have who has any sort of CV's worth of experience playing the game at a high level.

He was injured last night I assume? But he needs to be in that team quickly. He's no better/worse than what we have, but he has a more calming influence on the team - underrated and underused. Until Captain King comes back, we need experience and the only one who can offer that is him.

Please bear in mind I haven't seen any of the game last night. Thanks for listening innit.

Again i agree, i like Rocha and think he would be good for us, but Physioroom have him listed as out until 15th December.
 

Fantasticlee

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Dawson was one of our best players last year but this season he has been pretty awful.

He is a good defender who is one of the most committed players in our team and squad. This season however he has been pretty bad but he is not crap, just playing crappy.

There's a lot more wrong with this team than him!
 

PT

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Tim Sherwood was punditting on Setanta last night, alongside Robbo (who got grilled by the host) and Mcnananananananananaman.

Basically Sherwood was saying - take Kaboul, who obviously has talent - and drill the fuck out of him with a specialist coach. He is young and will learn fast but needs to be shown properly. Sherwood questioned Robb owhether this one on one goes on to which Robb replied that last week's internationals meant that the squad was depleted in training. Good debate really and the intensity of Sherwood's reasoning was something you hope is in our training team.
 

PLTuck

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Tim Sherwood was punditting on Setanta last night, alongside Robbo (who got grilled by the host) and Mcnananananananananaman.

Basically Sherwood was saying - take Kaboul, who obviously has talent - and drill the fuck out of him with a specialist coach. He is young and will learn fast but needs to be shown properly. Sherwood questioned Robb owhether this one on one goes on to which Robb replied that last week's internationals meant that the squad was depleted in training. Good debate really and the intensity of Sherwood's reasoning was something you hope is in our training team.


Big Sam also had a sly dig at our defending saying that he drilled his players every day, and didn't just defend 'off the cuff'.

Again it's not the individuals, it's the patnerships imo. Kaboul goes all hollywood and leaves Dawson isolated. This makes Dawson nervous and he makes stupid errors which cost us. This is kind of a theme running through our entire squad at the moment it seems. The only player that looks 100% up for it and confidant to me is Bale, and now he's injured.

Yet again Sherwood was spot on re: they need to be drilled over and over again, like Big Sam or GG would do.

Our defensive coach(s) should all have to answer questions today
 

justfookinhitit

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Aug 4, 2006
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Sherwood was on Radio 5 this morning and not only was he slating the fact that our defence is clearly incompetent but also that Berbie showed fuck all interest, and as far as he was concerned he wouldn't have him around in a dogfight.

I would love to see Jol go out today and hire in a defensive coach cos what we have in the way of defensive coaching at the moment is clearly a shambles.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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Ok, you all know how I feel about Dawson, and for how long. I have never been overly derogatory about him (like some idiots are with Zokora - who once again was possibly our MOTM - but I haven't seen it all) but have said from very early on in his spurs career that he lacked the speed of thought, reading of the game, speed of reaction to cope with the premiership. His first season we were far more defensive as a team. he also had the experienced Stalteri next to him covering his arse on many occasions which went largely unoticed and uncredited. King also helped but to be honest, King is not and won't be the solution to Dawson's deficiencies.

For all you die hard Dawson lovers, a dose of reality is required. He is not and never will be the player you want him to be. And it has fuck all to do with Chris Hughton or Kaboul. King, Kaboul & Rocha when all played next to dawson are played out of position as all are RCB's but are moved across because Dawson can barely cope with playing in his correct position let alone 10 yards to the left.

And to whoever said Dawson is suffering from playing next to Kaboul, could it be that Kaboul is suffering from playing next to the dimwitted Dawson.

And I was even a pretty lone dissenting voice questioning the logic of purchasing Chimbonda. I wasn't alone in thinking that Salty was better than he was given credit for though, and although it is easy to see why the pleasing on the eye (in the footballin sense) Chimbonda seduced some, it is obvious that he is certainly not as dilligent as Salty defensively. But maybe playing next to Dawson isn't helping him either.

I was fucked off when Rocha was dropped for Dawson as soon as Dawson as fit. It was a great illustration of the poor decision making process of Jol that has blighted his tenure.

I have said for a long time (often to much derision) that Gardner is a better footballer than Dawson. It is time for Jol to use his brain and stop yielding to his populist instincts.

Robinson and dawson need resting. Gardner should come at LCB (his natural position), Kaboul should be put at RCB (his natural position) until Rocha is fit. Chimbonda should be given an almighty kick up the arse, if he doesn't start defending better he should be rested for Salty.

The only untouchable in our defense is bizarly the one who on aggregate took the most shit - again from the usual menstral pit ponies - Lee.

Jol needs to start playing players in their correct positions, as this constantly contributes to the melais.

And Stoof,

Do you think it's worth trying a 451 away from home now. Or are you happy to keep picking a 442 around keane. And like you I haven't seen all the gameyet but Zokora certainly appeared to be our best player from what I saw and Sky have him as the top rated player (I know how you love to yield to the "experts"). Do you think it's time to accept that he isn't shit yet and that your beloved Dawson might be a little bit ?


And another thing, I also told you all that Bent was a fucking waste of money. Again I was on a tiny minority.
 

Stoof

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And Stoof,

Do you think it's worth trying a 451 away from home now. Or are you happy to keep picking a 442 around keane.

Keane scorer of 7 goals? Hell yes I do. It's not the 5 and the the 1 or the 4 and the 2 that's the problem it's the 4 at the bloody back!

And like you I haven't seen all the gameyet but Zokora certainly appeared to be our best player from what I saw and Sky have him as the top rated player (I know how you love to yield to the "experts"). Do you think it's time to accept that he isn't shit yet and that your beloved Dawson might be a little bit ?

If you ever read what I post, I've said Zokora has played shit in a few games. But because you seem to have a problem with me, because I don't agree with you (so you have to resort to trying to insult my intellect which is a bit stupid if we know realities) you've decided I think he's shit. I think he's beautifully average. And I have said so a good 20 times in the last couple of weeks.

I've said Dawson is prone to mistakes. As he was last night. What you don't seem to again grasp, is that it's maybe slightly more 'allowable' given that there's 6 years of football difference between him and Zokora? But no, that's wrong apparently. :?

And another thing, I also told you all that Bent was a fucking waste of money. Again I was on a tiny minority.

I still don't know why you're not in club management. You seem to make all the calls; and apparently know more than anyone else here and currently calling the shots - I just can't fathom it.
 

SouthLondonSpur

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May 28, 2004
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On the topic of Jol. He finished his Spurs career the day Kelmsley talked to Ramos. Please remember BMJ on his incredible two seasons before this one.

I've been feeling that too.

Cant deny the coincidence in severe lack of play/form/tatics and timing of that meeting.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Nov 8, 2004
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Ok, you all know how I feel about Dawson, and for how long. I have never been overly derogatory about him (like some idiots are with Zokora - who once again was possibly our MOTM - but I haven't seen it all) but have said from very early on in his spurs career that he lacked the speed of thought, reading of the game, speed of reaction to cope with the premiership. His first season we were far more defensive as a team. he also had the experienced Stalteri next to him covering his arse on many occasions which went largely unoticed and uncredited. King also helped but to be honest, King is not and won't be the solution to Dawson's deficiencies.

For all you die hard Dawson lovers, a dose of reality is required. He is not and never will be the player you want him to be. And it has fuck all to do with Chris Hughton or Kaboul. King, Kaboul & Rocha when all played next to dawson are played out of position as all are RCB's but are moved across because Dawson can barely cope with playing in his correct position let alone 10 yards to the left.

And to whoever said Dawson is suffering from playing next to Kaboul, could it be that Kaboul is suffering from playing next to the dimwitted Dawson.

And I was even a pretty lone dissenting voice questioning the logic of purchasing Chimbonda. I wasn't alone in thinking that Salty was better than he was given credit for though, and although it is easy to see why the pleasing on the eye (in the footballin sense) Chimbonda seduced some, it is obvious that he is certainly not as dilligent as Salty defensively. But maybe playing next to Dawson isn't helping him either.

I was fucked off when Rocha was dropped for Dawson as soon as Dawson as fit. It was a great illustration of the poor decision making process of Jol that has blighted his tenure.

I have said for a long time (often to much derision) that Gardner is a better footballer than Dawson. It is time for Jol to use his brain and stop yielding to his populist instincts.

Robinson and dawson need resting. Gardner should come at LCB (his natural position), Kaboul should be put at RCB (his natural position) until Rocha is fit. Chimbonda should be given an almighty kick up the arse, if he doesn't start defending better he should be rested for Salty.

The only untouchable in our defense is bizarly the one who on aggregate took the most shit - again from the usual menstral pit ponies - Lee.

Jol needs to start playing players in their correct positions, as this constantly contributes to the melais.

And Stoof,

Do you think it's worth trying a 451 away from home now. Or are you happy to keep picking a 442 around keane. And like you I haven't seen all the gameyet but Zokora certainly appeared to be our best player from what I saw and Sky have him as the top rated player (I know how you love to yield to the "experts"). Do you think it's time to accept that he isn't shit yet and that your beloved Dawson might be a little bit ?


And another thing, I also told you all that Bent was a fucking waste of money. Again I was on a tiny minority.

Correctermundo

Lee & Salty are by far our best defenders (not counting ledders) and get slated week in week out.
 

striebs

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....And I was even a pretty lone dissenting voice questioning the logic of purchasing Chimbonda....

And another thing, I also told you all that Bent was a fucking waste of money. Again I was on a tiny minority.

Bus Conductor ,

Dawson . You are right works tirelessly but is limited . James Milner is the same but the difference is Milner thinks about what he is doing and progresses .

Kaboule . Two weeks ago Kaboule left Dawson stranded and Agbolahore skinned him . Last night it was Obafemi Martins . What is the betting that Kaboule will go for a hatrick by leaving Dawson at the mercy of Mc Carthy on Sunday ?

Chimbonda . Very capable player but would not use diligent in same sentence ... lazy and lacadaisical more like it . Last season he made it to Christmas before stopped caring .

Christmas has come early this year .

Bent . No service from our midfield . Created our goal , very unlucky not to score . At least he tried unlike Berbatov .


Stalteri . Agree with your medicine for Chimbonda . Stalteri will at least bust a gut and is a good footballer .
Versatile , an option for central defence too .
 

Has1978

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Bus Conductor ,

Dawson . You are right works tirelessly but is limited . James Milner is the same but the difference is Milner thinks about what he is doing and progresses .

Kaboule . Two weeks ago Kaboule left Dawson stranded and Agbolahore skinned him . Last night it was Obafemi Martins . What is the betting that Kaboule will go for a hatrick by leaving Dawson at the mercy of Mc Carthy on Sunday ?

Chimbonda . Very capable player but would not use diligent in same sentence ... lazy and lacadaisical more like it . Last season he made it to Christmas before stopped caring .

Christmas has come early this year .

Bent . No service from our midfield . Created our goal , very unlucky not to score . At least he tried unlike Berbatov .


Stalteri . Agree with your medicine for Chimbonda . Stalteri will at least bust a gut and is a good footballer .
Versatile , an option for central defence too .

Agree with every word.
 

Andy

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Bus Conductor ,

Dawson . You are right works tirelessly but is limited . James Milner is the same but the difference is Milner thinks about what he is doing and progresses .

Kaboule . Two weeks ago Kaboule left Dawson stranded and Agbolahore skinned him . Last night it was Obafemi Martins . What is the betting that Kaboule will go for a hatrick by leaving Dawson at the mercy of Mc Carthy on Sunday ?

Chimbonda . Very capable player but would not use diligent in same sentence ... lazy and lacadaisical more like it . Last season he made it to Christmas before stopped caring .

Christmas has come early this year .

Bent . No service from our midfield . Created our goal , very unlucky not to score . At least he tried unlike Berbatov .


Stalteri . Agree with your medicine for Chimbonda . Stalteri will at least bust a gut and is a good footballer .
Versatile , an option for central defence too .
I agree with most but can't really blame Kaboul for the goal where Dawson lost the ball from a long ball and nearly kicked Martins in the face whilst misjudging it,
I think he is playing like he has no confidence in anyone(goalkeeper was poor most of the season-Chimbonda having a mare most games and isolated by midfield and Kaboul.) surrounding him and that is going to bring mistakes into his game aplenty.
 

N10toN17

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Dawson - positives - has a great attitude, gives 100%.

negatives - lacks pace against top premiership forwards, is slow on the turn, hence he drops off so many forwards and hits the reverse gear because he's frightened of being skinned, he has poor technical skills, lacks composure and confidence on the ball, like so many of our players, (English I mean there). His positional sense is also poor and he regularily goes to sleep at set pieces.

Conclusion - simple not good enough and more importantly never will be, the natural attributes are all missing, at least kaboul has them and can be nurtured.

We desperately need King, so we're in the shit big time defensively. IMO our best performance defensively this season was with Rocha and Gardner who are both better than Dawson.
 

Flatters

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May 4, 2005
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:roll:

You doesn't have to be BLIND & MUTE to be a supporter. I'd rather see supporters shout when somethings wrong instead of sitting there with their brown noses/tounges.

I'd rather the supporters either supported or were mute.
 

ChRiStOpHe

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I was about to write out about how I'm glad that more people are starting to see what I've seen for a while - that Stalteri is basic, but far better than that awful Chimbonda (who's adds what exactly to our play?), and how Dawson is not ready for where we want to be at the moment... but that wouldn't be true. I would far rather they'd both proved me wrong and were playing really well right now :-(
 

Coneilly

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well he was our best player last year.but not good this year.hell improve as the team does.
Thats the sort of player he is.
 
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