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rossdapep

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I genuinely think Moore will be fast tracked. He's done really well the last few weeks and we've seen more senior youth players take up bench spots and get no game time. The fact he came on over Donley against Shef Utd speaks volumes as well imo. Every coach/scout you speak to can see he could well go on to be a generational talent. Every player that plays with or against him recognises he's just different.

I know I have been beating this drum for a long time now as regards him not going on loan as he is just too good for that. As I keep saying he just stands out regardless of the company he's in, and I'd be looking to tie him up to a 5 year deal at the first available opportunity. It's worth the risk imo.
Nice.

If you look at world football at the moment, you are seeing an abnormal amount of 16/17-year olds getting fast-tracked and given first team minutes.

Endrick, Pedro Lima, Luis Guilherme, Estevao in Brazil.
Yamine Lamal at Barca.
Archie Gray at Leeds

And I am certainly forgetting some.

I don't think we should be approaching with the reluctance and tenative apporach seen before.

I also don't believe loans should be happening for players if they stand out or fit in immediately with the first team - if anything they should be given priority (if they are earning it of course)
 

WorcesterTHFC

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It must be a strange situation for CG also, loves Chelsea but disposable purely because of terrible management, and the only major suitor is a club he's grown up learning to despise.
Kenny Dalglish was a Rangers fan as a child, but that didn't stop him signing for Celtic. Mo Johnston was a Celtic fan and former player, but he joined Rangers. If players can cross the Old Firm divide, they can cross any other divide, at least here in Britain.
 

only1waddle

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Kenny Dalglish was a Rangers fan as a child, but that didn't stop him signing for Celtic. Mo Johnston was a Celtic fan and former player, but he joined Rangers. If players can cross the Old Firm divide, they can cross any other divide, at least here in Britain.

I'm not saying they don't do it, but it must be a strange situation.
 

mattstev2000

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Bissouma I can maybe understand but there's no way I'd consider even thinking about letting Sarr go!
The kid has been great on the whole, in what is his first season in a very tough league and he's still a baby with so much potential.

What makes you willing to give up on a 20 year old like Sarr?

I wouldn't necessarily agree he's be great on the whole, there's certainly been periods of him being pretty great but equally there have been many times where he goes missing and gets subbed early (like all our midfielders).

Having said that he'd definitely be the last of the four I'd consider letting go.

As you say, he has youth and a lot of potential on his side compared to the others.
 

only1waddle

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To you yeah, you are looking at solely from a supporters pov. A player who has dedicated and even sacrificed a lot of his childhood to play will see things differently.

I get it, it's a passion to play football at the top level and they want what's best for their career, doesn't mean it wouldn't feel strange though, two things can be true at once Trix.
 

Neon_Knight_

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Not really, watch almost any match with Brennan and you can see the potential, pace, skill, finishing, technical ability, he has it all. He's good now, but he could be an absoloute star.

I don't see it with Gallagher, he's a good player and clearly would be a good signing, but 50m? That's outrageous, even if you disregard the contract situation. You look at Chelsea and he is a good foil for Coe Palmer, but we need more Palmer and less Gallagher.

If we do sign him, we have to be talking 25m max. If you compare his stats, he's close to Kulusevski this season and the latter has had a bit of a stinker.

Most teams will be sitting everyone behind the ball this season, we've seen how we have struggled without a creative 8, but Gallagher is not much better than what we have.

And everyone going back to his "on loan form", that's like signing Skipp based off his form at Norwich.

We have Bergval, Donley (more of a 10), and Moore next season, all young and inexperienced but I'd prefer they get minutes than block their pathway with a an average player.

His positives, is his running stats and professionalism, that's not enough at this level.

To me it would be the same as signing Werner as a winger, we need to be going for a better player.
I actually like Brennan Johnson btw. It's just that for the price we paid I would normally expect someone with slightly more PL experience and/or slightly more impressive goal contribution stats.

Irrespective of whether Gallagher is better or worse than Johnson, he has performed at a decent level for Chelsea in the PL for twice as long as Johnson had played in the PL at the time of signing (EDIT: three times as long, if you include his season with Palace). He has looked above average, and been one of the most consistent performers, in a side that has just finished 6th in the PL. Johnson looked above average in a team that won promotion from the Championship and struggled in the PL.

Perhaps I'm slow adjusting to recent transfer market inflation, but I think both should be more like £30m, not £50m+. On balance, if Johnson is "worth" circa £50m, I think Gallagher must be too. Let's hope we sign Gallagher for less than the rumoured fee and he excels...then we'll have a quality, young, HG player who is benefiting us instead of an immediate rival....that would be great business!
 
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The host of The Tottenham Way podcast Marcus Buckland (of Vincent Kompany to Spurs fame) said in the end of season pod he heard Gallagher to spurs is pretty much done and will be completed In next week or so. Pinch of salt etc etc
 
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Neon_Knight_

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Think he was good value. 5 goals 10 assists is a good return for his first season
^See my post above. I like Johnson and think his goal contributions seem to have flown somewhat under the radar for msot people. I think the fee we paid was a bit steeper / riskier than I'm comfortable with, in the context of our financial constraints and the scale of the rebuild we're in the midst of. A gamble that appears to be paying off for the most part though!
 

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I wouldn't necessarily agree he's be great on the whole, there's certainly been periods of him being pretty great but equally there have been many times where he goes missing and gets subbed early (like all our midfielders).

Having said that he'd definitely be the last of the four I'd consider letting go.

As you say, he has youth and a lot of potential on his side compared to the others.
Yeah, I think that's probably to be expected of a young player over a long and strenuous season, that there will be drop off in performances sometimes but I think for him to have been relied on as much as he has, says a lot about what Ange thinks of him.

Bentancur I think will get it back but Bissouma is my biggest concern at the moment and that's why I think we really need a capable DM, over another 8 like Gallagher.
I think Biss is capable of playing as an 8 in our system but apart from him, we don't really have anyone capable of playing the defensive midfield role to a decent standard.

I think my priorities for this window are DM, CF and a high level, versatile WF.
Those are a must for me and need to happen quickly, anything else on top would be a bonus and we can play the market as the window wears on.

I'm not overly keen on Gallagher and if we can get him for a reasonable price, I wouldn't be against it but it depends greatly on what other business we do first.
Chelsea's timeframe and possible desperation to move him quickly may make the deal not ideal for us.
 

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I genuinely think Moore will be fast tracked. He's done really well the last few weeks and we've seen more senior youth players take up bench spots and get no game time. The fact he came on over Donley against Shef Utd speaks volumes as well imo. Every coach/scout you speak to can see he could well go on to be a generational talent. Every player that plays with or against him recognises he's just different.

I know I have been beating this drum for a long time now as regards him not going on loan as he is just too good for that. As I keep saying he just stands out regardless of the company he's in, and I'd be looking to tie him up to a 5 year deal at the first available opportunity. It's worth the risk imo.
Thanks for that. I watched the second goal for the U17 game v France and it reminded me of Jimmy Greaves.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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It's more a question of how much he's worth more than the player we sell to make room for him.
if Bissouma was sold for thirty and we get Gallagher for forty then I believe he's ten million better and will give the consistency of performance that Yves seems to lack.
I disagree completely - they play different positions.

If we sold Bissouma, and used the money to buy Gallagher - then we have nobody on the roster to play the DM role.

The players we have on the roster for next season that play the same role as Gallagher are Bentancur, Sarr, and Bergvall. If we don't sell those players then we would have 4 players for 1 position - and a big hole in our budget.
 

rossdapep

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Was watching a video of him and whilst he isn't the most polished with his technique (quite a few heavy touches), a few things stood out.

Everyone has already mentioned his work rate and pressing but he also can get to the ball in small spaces quite quickly, has a real strong will to get it.

But one trait helps him to really work in this Ange system.

He is very decisive with his passing. Not the most technical, but he sees it and plays it.

Far too many of our players hang onto the ball too long and we know Ange doesn't want that, he wants quick forward passes. Gallagher excellent at that.

I'd happily take him but we need to add Archie Gray too.

Gallagher
Sarr
Bentancur
Gray
Bissouma
Hall (maybe loan out)

Is a great set of options.
 

coy-spurs1882

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Assume we manage to offload PEH and GLC, in the first team we have:
Maddison
Bentancur
Bissouma
Sarr
Skipp

And we have several prospects:
Donley
Hall
Devine
Bergvall

If we sign Gallagher we still need a competition for Maddison and we assume Ange is happy with Bentancur/Bissouma playing as #6:
---------Maddison/[ ]/Donley---------Gallagher/Sarr/Bergvall---------
------------------------Bentancur/Bissouma/Skipp--------------------
The problem is most of them can only play as midfielder. Apparently Ange is training Skipp to play as inverted FB, not sure if it would be successful though. That's why I would prefer someone like Eze and Gray who can play other positions.
 

felmani26

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I genuinely think Moore will be fast tracked. He's done really well the last few weeks and we've seen more senior youth players take up bench spots and get no game time. The fact he came on over Donley against Shef Utd speaks volumes as well imo. Every coach/scout you speak to can see he could well go on to be a generational talent. Every player that plays with or against him recognises he's just different.

I know I have been beating this drum for a long time now as regards him not going on loan as he is just too good for that. As I keep saying he just stands out regardless of the company he's in, and I'd be looking to tie him up to a 5 year deal at the first available opportunity. It's worth the risk imo.
I think the vast majority of fans would support this notion and in addition to the obvious talent he will bring, it also delivers a clear unequivocal message that under Ange, if you are good enough you will be provided opportunities/pathways to the first team - this goes to not just the academy graduates but to worldwide prodigious talent.
 

Cinemattis

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If Gio goes we need another playmaker and if PEH goes we need another DM. Those will have to be priority unless of course they don’t leave .

Gallagher is not a playmaker but maybe he can play DM, idk I’m very skeptical but maybe he can. His defence positioning is questionable and so is his first touch but he is statistically strong in that department.

I really do not see us getting 3 new midfielders.
We definitely need a DM! PEH isn´t truly a DM and never was.

(I hope he leaves - not at least for his own sake, as he isn´t well suited for our current way of playing).
 

Cinemattis

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As I said a few weeks back I don't see him or Donley going on loan and see them getting more minutes than folks expect. I know it was U17's but Moore was a huge standout again last night against France. He does things many top class senior pro's can't even dream to do. He still needs to adjust learn and grow considerably of course, and I'm certainly not saying he is as good an overall package as those senior pro's yet, but purely based on talent he's above the majority of the Premier league already.
I love this!

I do hope we can bleed in some of our top, top talents in the same manner MC have done with Foden (over many years), and that they now do with Bobb. And for that matter Liverpool have done with some of their most coveted talents. Train with the best, get a few minutes here and there, the occasional start, etc.
 

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I love this!

I do hope we can bleed in some of our top, top talents in the same manner MC have done with Foden (over many years), and that they now do with Bobb. And for that matter Liverpool have done with some of their most coveted talents. Train with the best, get a few minutes here and there, the occasional start, etc.
Sounds obvious but they have to be good enough to be involved and that's clearly not been the case over the past few years.
ITK has said our academy hasn't been great (pre-Paratici) but hopefully we'll see some starting to come through.
Liverpool & City have had a good few come through but that will be the results of years of hard work behind the scenes; we are clearly a few stages behind them so if we can get 1 or 2 in the first team squad over the next year or so, we should be happy.
 
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