Club Statement 19 Nov 19 - Pochettino leaves

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There is a sense that nothing is working at United- Moyes craggy Glaswegian, van Gaal, Mourinho, Club legend Solskjaer ... Are they really going to give Poch years to rebuild and take the long view? We didn't mind not winning trophies at Spurs because we were all enjoying the CL quality football and could see the improvement, but I'm not sure United Board and fans would wait in the same way...
Football changes in the blink of an eye, though. Yes, Woodward and Ole are a disaster, but get Poch in there and they’ve got an outstanding crop of young players - Rashford, Greenwood, Williams, AWB, McTominay, and a load more bubbling under the surface. All Poch would need to do is get hold of the dressing room in the way he did here and they’d be in business.
 

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Loved what he did for us but he had his limitations. His match planning and his in match changes of tactics left something to be desired. Mourinho has already shown what good planning and a willingness to adapt tactics during a match can achieve.
Thing is when tactics are your weakness you need to appoint good tactical assistants to help with that side of the game and not fitness coaches.
 

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I think it's important to remember that Poch was a fairly inexperienced coach when he came to us.

There's a decent chance that over time, he'll get better.

If he goes somewhere in the prem, especially somewhere like Utd with a good (but not great) squad and infinite cash, he'd turn them into contenders relatively quickly IMO.

All this stuff about 'but he's not a winner' I'm not sure I buy
 

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Biesla is like his father, so I'm sure he saw him.

But Jesus and Toni are there too. Its totally to line them up to take over Man U in the summer. They just signed Bruno Fernandez for goodness sake. Ever since he had that lunch with Fergie, this has been nailed on.

He should have been our next Nicholson. Instead he's going to be their next Busby.

We're still just their feeder club.
I don't for a second believe that you think Poch is going to be their next Busby, or that he had it in him to be our next Nicholson.
 

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I think it's important to remember that Poch was a fairly inexperienced coach when he came to us.

There's a decent chance that over time, he'll get better.

If he goes somewhere in the prem, especially somewhere like Utd with a good (but not great) squad and infinite cash, he'd turn them into contenders relatively quickly IMO.

All this stuff about 'but he's not a winner' I'm not sure I buy
I can’t be bothered to find the article, I think it was by Miguel Delaney in the Inde, but it quoted a statistical analysis of successful managers and what age they were when they’d won their first major trophy and Poch is already way down the list, and the statistics say he won’t be a serial trophy winner in his career because he hasn’t won one yet.
 
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Football changes in the blink of an eye, though. Yes, Woodward and Ole are a disaster, but get Poch in there and they’ve got an outstanding crop of young players - Rashford, Greenwood, Williams, AWB, McTominay, and a load more bubbling under the surface. All Poch would need to do is get hold of the dressing room in the way he did here and they’d be in business.
But I think that would not be enough at United, is my point. They don't have our infrastructure either and a bloated critical fan base.
 

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I have to be honest, wherever Poch goes, if it’s in the premier league I hope it doesn’t work out for him. Spurs have enough competition as things stand already, without Pochettino potentially strengthening a rival or creating another brand new one. I love Poch and am massively thankful for what he did here, but I have no room for sentiment when it comes to this. Everyone with sense knows if he’s given the right tools he’s a serious threat
 

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He’s been nailed on for United for ages and I think he has been lusting after them and that job since way before he was sacked by us. He was always moaning about not having money to spend, casting envious eyes over at United.

I just don’t see him as a good enough tactician to win the league, if he was genuinely a great manager he would have won the league with us in that Leicester year wouldn’t he? Or at least delivered a trophy instead of constantly losing to our rivals in big cup games.

I’m not convinced at all. Hope he is a disaster there but one thing is for sure, he will do a better job than OGS
 

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One thing is for sure, I hope we win something big before he does otherwise a lot of you are going to look like a right bunch of silly ****s :LOL:
 

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There is a sense that nothing is working at United- Moyes craggy Glaswegian, van Gaal, Mourinho, Club legend Solskjaer ... Are they really going to give Poch years to rebuild and take the long view? We didn't mind not winning trophies at Spurs because we were all enjoying the CL quality football and could see the improvement, but I'm not sure United Board and fans would wait in the same way...
If he gets them back in the champions League they won't care if he actually wins something or not. Plus their share price will rocket if he's appointed. It's all about the finances.
 

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Thing is when tactics are your weakness you need to appoint good tactical assistants to help with that side of the game and not fitness coaches.
I think this is way under reported. Fergie was incredibly humble when it came to realising the tactics of the modern game were beyond him. He hired the very best tactical coaches as second in command to drill his players.

To stop the rot and revitalise his squad he just cleared out and recycled the coaches. That was basically the motor that drove the reinvented teams.

Is Poch ruthless enough to do the same?
 

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I have to be honest, wherever Poch goes, if it’s in the premier league I hope it doesn’t work out for him. Spurs have enough competition as things stand already, without Pochettino potentially strengthening a rival or creating another brand new one. I love Poch and am massively thankful for what he did here, but I have no room for sentiment when it comes to this. Everyone with sense knows if he’s given the right tools he’s a serious threat
This. Absolutely. If he comes back to the Prem I hope he has a total nightmare and is sacked within a year!
 

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But I think that would not be enough at United, is my point. They don't have our infrastructure either and a bloated critical fan base.
You’ve really got to no vision if you can’t imagine how a talented manager and some momentum could turn around that club very quickly.
 
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It must be hard for United to live with the Fergie legacy. He was a one off and it's hard to imagine anyone ever doing that again.
 

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I can’t be bothered to find the article, I think it was by Miguel Delaney in the Inde, but it quoted a statistical analysis of successful managers and what age they were when they’d won their first major trophy and Poch is already way down the list, and the statistics say he won’t be a serial trophy winner in his career because he hasn’t won one yet.
This whole argument of winning or not winning trophies is wrong. Manager should be rated with improvements and performance according to a level of a club. We are not known for wining trophies recently. Only won league cup in 2 decades. But with poch we became CL regular, reached CL final and punched above our weight. Everyone says that the squad is good and he achieved nothing with it. In reality the squad is not good and made them look good and improved them individually.

For the bold part, no one is going to win with espanyol, southampton and us(unless serious investment made). If he was manager of big club like PSG, Bayern, Juve, Barca e.t.c. I am sure he would have won league titles. Look at Kovacic, valverde and emery.
 

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This whole argument of winning or not winning trophies is wrong. Manager should be rated with improvements and performance according to a level of a club. We are not known for wining trophies recently. Only won league cup in 2 decades. But with poch we became CL regular, reached CL final and punched above our weight. Everyone says that the squad is good and he achieved nothing with it. In reality the squad is not good and made them look good and improved them individually.

For the bold part, no one is going to win with espanyol, southampton and us(unless serious investment made). If he was manager of big club like PSG, Bayern, Juve, Barca e.t.c. I am sure he would have won league titles. Look at Kovacic, valverde and emery.
I understand that, but the fact was that the managers who had won the most trophies in the last 40 or so years all had won the first at a younger age than Poch. I’m just saying that regardless of how good he is, statistically he’s not likely to be one of the “winningest“ of this generation.
 

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I understand that, but the fact was that the managers who had won the most trophies in the last 40 or so years all had won the first at a younger age than Poch. I’m just saying that regardless of how good he is, statistically he’s not likely to be one of the “winningest“ of this generation.
Again depends on which club you have managed. With the clubs he had managed its not possible. If he was managing big clubs and failed then you could have been right. Look at interim manager of bayern, they are leading bundesliga. When ramos left us nad he became interim manager of Madrid. He had 44 or 46 points out of possible 48.
 

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Again depends on which club you have managed. With the clubs he had managed its not possible. If he was managing big clubs and failed then you could have been right. Look at interim manager of bayern, they are leading bundesliga. When ramos left us nad he became interim manager of Madrid. He had 44 or 46 points out of possible 48.
Again, I’m not not debating his quality. I’m merely pointing out that statistically, one way or another, the most successful managers of each era win their first trophy earlier than he will eventually end up winning one.

Here’s the article by the way. You need to register with the Telegraph, but you get it for free.

 

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Again, I’m not not debating his quality. I’m merely pointing out that statistically, one way or another, the most successful managers of each era win their first trophy earlier than he will eventually end up winning one.

Here’s the article by the way. You need to register with the Telegraph, but you get it for free.

It will depend on his next move. If he goes to Bayern or PSG he will win more in less time. In juve and Madrid also there is high chance too. If he goes to club like us then it will be hard.
 
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