Club Statement 19 Nov 19 - Pochettino leaves

[Shadydan]

If only we could reset the season and have him back.... I know that ship has sailed and he's never coming back but a man can dream right?

The way this season has turned out and what we know about people in charge of the club, I've honestly lost all interest in football. Getting rid of Poch was a dream come true for our rivals.

Oh so that's the reason you've lost interest in football, I see

 

[Dougal]

Poch didn’t want to manage us and waited for his pay out. Let’s not go over the old shit.

If only there was a way not to click on this thread...

 

[Gassin's finest]

If only there was a way not to click on this thread...

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

Nonsense

As a medic who has just had all my leave cancelled to help ensure the NHS keeps running, his advice is spot on. Covid-19 currently can only be controlled by distancing and isolation

This is only going to get worse

Some football people are hiding their heads in the sand - the end result of excessive money when the product is not improving

All very true but nothing to do with what i posted. If your boss got fired and then three months later started texting you telling you to disobey your current boss people may see that as overstepping the mark ever so slightly. And then of course told everyone about it on the radio so everybody knows what he did.

I don't feel that bloody strongly about it, i just posted a jokey headline. We are in this mess because of him, he was great but he fucked up in the transfer market, he fucked up with his tactics and he fucked up with the players. Is Jose doing a great job at sorting it out? Not really right now. But the short memories and pining for some bloke like a teenager for their ex-boyfriend is weird.

 

[Havre]

To be fair I think Poch's views on the squad have been vindicated

A bit of self fulfilling prophecy isn't it? Tell players that everything is difficult etc. long enough and they believe it.

The same way he never saw a problem with swapping stadiums etc. the years before. Tell players that difficult things are just a challenge and they believe it.

As for the story. I honestly don't know where to draw the line. He might see himself just as a friend to these players, but it is never that simple. He will for as long as they are players be something else as well.

My guess it is just a general "stay safe" kind of thing and not undermining the club. Hope so and I choose to believe that is the case. Will backfire quickly if it isn't and someone find out - people always find out with these things.

 

[Spursmatty87]

If only there was a way not to click on this thread...

Lol, fair point but I did think it was that he had a new job or had said something interesting.
Best of luck to poch did a good job for us.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

If this was a game of Championship Manager, I have to admit, I would've gone back and reloaded the save before we let Poch go by now.

Yes we stunk the place up for a while but it wasn't completely out of control and maybe a shake up of the starting eleven, a few more reloads and a few more games...

 

['O Zio]

For some reason they're behaving like when Take That split up.

Too soon

 

[spursfan77]

If this was a game of Championship Manager, I have to admit, I would've gone back and reloaded the save before we let Poch go by now.

Yes we stunk the place up for a while but it wasn't completely out of control and maybe a shake up of the starting eleven, a few more reloads and a few more games...

He’s gone to Chelsea in my game. Not sure what that says ?

 

[spursfan77]

I do wonder what may of happened had Son’s goal against Leicester counted, us not giving the two goal lead away at arsenal and if Son’s shot against Liverpool (to put us 2 up) had gone in. But then I do wonder what had happened had he not said he might leave us the night before the champions league final and the effects of that on squad morale. All ifs and buts.

 

[Shadydan]

I do wonder what may of happened had Son’s goal against Leicester counted, us not giving the two goal lead away at arsenal and if Son’s shot against Liverpool (to put us 2 up) had gone in. But then I do wonder what had happened had he not said he might leave us the night before the champions league final and the effects of that on squad morale. All ifs and buts.

Wonder what happened if City and Sheffield Utd goals weren't chalked off by VAR and Watford were awarded a pen correctly

 

[spursfan77]

Quite a good article with Wanyama on The Athletic today. But posting it in here because of this paragraph about Poch. Seems the players thought that he didn't think he could take us any further. Might explain a few things.

Wanyama on Spurs exit, a return to Celtic, being burgled and life in Montreal

The midfielder opens up on his career in an honest and open interview — including that pasta tweet…

theathletic.com

But Pochettino was sacked in November, and then Spurs let Wanyama go for free. “I’d seen Pochettino leave before [when he left Southampton in 2014],” he muses, “but this was time it was different. Defeat in Madrid hurt us hard but especially Pochettino. I think he probably felt he had taken Spurs as far as he could. And it was not only Pochettino whose time was up at Spurs and, for the time being, in England.”

 

[Metalhead]

If only there was a way not to click on this thread...

PM and I'll show you how to avoid it.

 

[TorontoYid]

We are in this mess because of him, he was great but he fucked up in the transfer market, he fucked up with his tactics and he fucked up with the players. Is Jose doing a great job at sorting it out? Not really right now. But the short memories and pining for some bloke like a teenager for their ex-boyfriend is weird.

I don't see it that way. He requested players like Grealish etc, and Levy did his usual transfer window hi-jinks to save a few quid. As per usual, they backfired and we ended up with nothing. My suspicion is that he just said he didn't want any players because Spurs failed to sign ANY of the players he requested and he didn't want the club to look like twats. Any fuck up in the transfer window gets laid at Levy's door imo and that had a knock on effect. We had little depth so players were tired out and could not manage to keep up with his tactics.

Would it have been better to play less tiring tactics? Perhaps, but also less likely to have achieved results. I just really don't see how it is Poch's fault when he was blatantly not given the support any manager would have required and if Jose gets the same treatment he will be gone. I know Levy bailed the club out at one point but now he is detrimental to our growth and needs to take responsibility instead of constantly pushing the blame on the managers. I think plenty will disagree but this is my opinion on the matter.

 

[Gbspurs]

I don't see it that way. He requested players like Grealish etc, and Levy did his usual transfer window hi-jinks to save a few quid. As per usual, they backfired and we ended up with nothing. My suspicion is that he just said he didn't want any players because Spurs failed to sign ANY of the players he requested and he didn't want the club to look like twats. Any fuck up in the transfer window gets laid at Levy's door imo and that had a knock on effect. We had little depth so players were tired out and could not manage to keep up with his tactics.

Would it have been better to play less tiring tactics? Perhaps, but also less likely to have achieved results. I just really don't see how it is Poch's fault when he was blatantly not given the support any manager would have required and if Jose gets the same treatment he will be gone. I know Levy bailed the club out at one point but now he is detrimental to our growth and needs to take responsibility instead of constantly pushing the blame on the managers. I think plenty will disagree but this is my opinion on the matter.

It's quite an easy way out to blame Levy.

We were weak at RB since Walker left but I don't remember seeing Poch desperately chasing a RB. He seemed happy enough to sell Trippier too. Similarly he wanted Jansen and then didn't want anyone else and was happy to sell Llorente and leave Kane on his own again despite the damage this caused us the year previous.

Levy isn't perfect but Poch had plenty of failings in the transfer market.

 

[TorontoYid]

It's quite an easy way out to blame Levy.

We were weak at RB since Walker left but I don't remember seeing Poch desperately chasing a RB. He seemed happy enough to sell Trippier too. Similarly he wanted Jansen and then didn't want anyone else and again was happy to sell Llorente and leave Kane on his own again.

Levy isn't perfect but Poch had plenty of failings in the transfer market.

Hard to say who he was chasing since a definitive list was never made public. All we see is statements that he has requested some players and then no players arriving. Yes he sold Llorente but wasn't he promised players to replace him which never happened? Yes it is easy to lay blame on Levy and that is because he is often at fault. Even the most hardcore Levy fan can not deny he plays games in the transfer market and has cost us more than a few signings by waiting till the last instant and then offering an insultingly low transfer fee. Then we hear about how the market was tough yet every other team managed to make signings? Levy rarely seems to actually get blamed yet he definitely bears responsibility for transfer market fuck ups since all the manager does is gives him a list then Levy is the one that goes and buys the player or not as is more often the case.

 

[arnoldlayne]

It's quite an easy way out to blame Levy.

We were weak at RB since Walker left but I don't remember seeing Poch desperately chasing a RB. He seemed happy enough to sell Trippier too. Similarly he wanted Jansen and then didn't want anyone else and was happy to sell Llorente and leave Kane on his own again despite the damage this caused us the year previous.

Levy isn't perfect but Poch had plenty of failings in the transfer market.

Not sure we know who or what position MP was after - just hearsay

MP may have some blame but not all of it

 

[Shadydan]

Hard to say who he was chasing since a definitive list was never made public. All we see is statements that he has requested some players and then no players arriving. Yes he sold Llorente but wasn't he promised players to replace him which never happened? Yes it is easy to lay blame on Levy and that is because he is often at fault. Even the most hardcore Levy fan can not deny he plays games in the transfer market and has cost us more than a few signings by waiting till the last instant and then offering an insultingly low transfer fee. Then we hear about how the market was tough yet every other team managed to make signings? Levy rarely seems to actually get blamed yet he definitely bears responsibility for transfer market fuck ups since all the manager does is gives him a list then Levy is the one that goes and buys the player or not as is more often the case.

They both fucked up.

 

[pelayo59]

Hard to say who he was chasing since a definitive list was never made public. All we see is statements that he has requested some players and then no players arriving. Yes he sold Llorente but wasn't he promised players to replace him which never happened? Yes it is easy to lay blame on Levy and that is because he is often at fault. Even the most hardcore Levy fan can not deny he plays games in the transfer market and has cost us more than a few signings by waiting till the last instant and then offering an insultingly low transfer fee. Then we hear about how the market was tough yet every other team managed to make signings? Levy rarely seems to actually get blamed yet he definitely bears responsibility for transfer market fuck ups since all the manager does is gives him a list then Levy is the one that goes and buys the player or not as is more often the case.

We weren't even linked with another striker by media or ITK after Llorente left.

 

[RichieS]

We weren't even linked with another striker by media or ITK after Llorente left.

Or, indeed, another right back after our half decent one was unceremoniously bombed out of the club having been run into the ground the previous season.