Thewobbler
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Cardiff record signing Sala on missing plane
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Yid-ol
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I was just coming to say the same thing. If Cardiff didn't think he was theirs, it wouldn't have been put up on their website with him holding a shirt saying he had signed.
Poor from Cardiff IMO.
LexingtonSpurs
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I am thinking this is a big deal to Cardiff - and someone at Cardiff did not get the player insured - which puts the entire loss on the club rather than an insurer.
thecook
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Either that or due to the circumstances with the flight the insurance are refusing to pay up
Yid-ol
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Luckily we won’t have that problem as all our foreign imports will be transported to England via Uncle Joe’s yacht.
Even better.... We don't sign anyone anyway!
nailsy
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I can see both sides of it. Completing the paperwork just seemed a formality so it's possible that they jumped the gun and posted the pictures with the deal only 99% complete. I believe we've done the same thing in the past when we've announced signings subject to international clearance? That 1% that's left to complete is still important though as if that doesn't get completed he's not their player. I might be wrong, but wasn't it the late registration that prevented Adrien Silva playing for Leicester for months when they delivered the paperwork 14 seconds late?
'O Zio
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Personally, I think Cardiff should pay up, but if there's really arguments on both sides, then the sensible thing to have done would be for them to pay half or something. Would've been nice if the football community had come together and e.g. both the PL and Ligue 1 had chipped in to cover the cost. It would've ended up being something like 300k per club or something. Oh well, I guess football is just a business first and foremost nowadays unfortunately.
montylynch
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Like they all chipped in 250k for Scudamore when he left his post.....
BehindEnemyLines
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My understanding is that Nantes wanted the timing delayed to give them the opportunity to buy a replacement with the funds they were due to receive from Cardiff - this would imply that, had they not found a replacement, then the deal would be cancelled........if that is correct then Nantes have no-one but themselves to blame!
CoopsieDeadpool
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Ultimately, whether any of is believe Nantes or Cardiff should pay up. Shouldn't it really be down to whoever chartered the plane?
CoopsieDeadpool
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So, it's now confirmed that the pilot was not permitted to fly at night (due to being colour blind), he/the plane was not permitted to carry paying passengers, and it was Sala's agent who chartered the flight.
Therefore, in my opinion, it's the agent who should be sued for the costs/expenses & any legal ramifications should also fall squarely into his lap.
Therefore, in my opinion, it's the agent who should be sued for the costs/expenses & any legal ramifications should also fall squarely into his lap.
Thewobbler
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Yep looks like the pilot took a risk and it it ended badly for both of them The flight was supposed to take off at 9am but sala wanted to spend the day with his teammates.
The agent knew this was coming because he got really defensive saying that they had been made scapegoats.
CoopsieDeadpool
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Looked a little into the agent before heading off to work. They sound dodgy as fuck really....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...attling-winding-order-hm-revenue-customs/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...eb/22/willy-mckay-agent-emiliano-sala-cardiff
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...als-emiliano-sala-persuaded-sign-cardiff/amp/
spursfan77
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Now the papers have turned their attention to the dead pilot to discredit him. I saw one headline sayin he was colour blind and another that he wasn’t qualified to fly at night. The papers are just scum really, let the poor man’s family live their lives and not have to deal with these shitty stories, true or not.
McFlash
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Yeah but if he wasn't qualified to fly at night, then he shouldn't have flown.
I agree that papers are generally scummers but they also have to report on news stories, such as this.
If the pilot did act in an irresponsible and downright dangerous manner, it needs to be known. It might make others think twice in the future.
mpickard2087
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I have no time for agents, I wish football just banned them outright, and these two certainly are on the extremely dodgy end of the scale, but I don't think they should be expected to know the ins and outs of pilots and their licenses and what they're allowed to do, and whether it was the right choice of plane for the journey over water and the conditions.
They charter flights/planes via their usual method/company. Usual pilot (Mr Henderson(?)) can't do the return flight, says he can sort out the replacement pilot. Of course you are going to trust him on it.
My understanding is a pilot is ultimately responsible for those on board and whether a flight happens or not. It sounds like many illegal charter flights occur, and those involved just assume balance of probability is nothing will happen to get found out. Most of the culpability goes towards Henderson for either a) not checking his mate was capable of taking the flight or more likely b) just not caring, and, whether he tragically lost his life or not, Ibbotson for piloting a flight beyond his license/capabilities and whilst showing a blatant and illegal disregard for rules and ultimately this recklessness ended up with two people losing their lives.
From a football perspective, I still think Cardiff owe Nantes the transfer fee and its a scum move to take the sympathy and all the 'once a blue, always a blue' stuff and Warnock saying he was his player... And then down the line trying to say he wasn't signed, even though FIFA apparently say otherwise. It's up to them or the insurers to make a claim against those they deem exposed to it - whether that's the agents, charter company, individual pilots etc.
They charter flights/planes via their usual method/company. Usual pilot (Mr Henderson(?)) can't do the return flight, says he can sort out the replacement pilot. Of course you are going to trust him on it.
My understanding is a pilot is ultimately responsible for those on board and whether a flight happens or not. It sounds like many illegal charter flights occur, and those involved just assume balance of probability is nothing will happen to get found out. Most of the culpability goes towards Henderson for either a) not checking his mate was capable of taking the flight or more likely b) just not caring, and, whether he tragically lost his life or not, Ibbotson for piloting a flight beyond his license/capabilities and whilst showing a blatant and illegal disregard for rules and ultimately this recklessness ended up with two people losing their lives.
From a football perspective, I still think Cardiff owe Nantes the transfer fee and its a scum move to take the sympathy and all the 'once a blue, always a blue' stuff and Warnock saying he was his player... And then down the line trying to say he wasn't signed, even though FIFA apparently say otherwise. It's up to them or the insurers to make a claim against those they deem exposed to it - whether that's the agents, charter company, individual pilots etc.
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'O Zio
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Depends how it all went down to be hones. As @mpickard2087 says above, it's not really the agent's job to know all the ins and outs of pilot qualifications and whether each individual pilot is fully licensed. If they've booked a plane from some company in good faith then surely it's reasonable for them to expect the pilot who's been provided to be legally allowed to fly the plane? It's like if you and your mates book a cab to get home after going to dinner and then get into a crash. If it then turns out the driver's license was suspended and he shouldn't have been driving, it's hardly the fault of the person who booked the cab is it? When you book a cab it's perfectly reasonable for you to expect that the driver is fully licensed and legally allowed to drive the car. The same applies here IMO.
The company who hired out the plane and provided the pilot are responsible for this, not the agent. Unless the agent knew that this was all illegal and proceded wtih it anyway, but I suspect that wasn't the case.