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Match Threads Brighton vs Spurs

Date
Oct 6, 2024
KO Time
4:30 pm
Score
3 - 2

Match Prediction

  • Spurs Win

    Votes: 69 65.7%
  • Brighton Win

    Votes: 16 15.2%
  • Draw

    Votes: 20 19.0%

  • Total voters
    105

DiamondLites

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Jul 29, 2011
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To try and be at least somewhat positive, for 45 mins we played them off their own park. Could quite easily have been 4-0 at half time.
While that is a positive, it’s also not the first time we have failed to take our opportunities and it’s come back to bite us. The way we play relies on us being clinical, if we don’t (or can’t) improve on this then these sort of results will happen more often than they should. 3 times already this season we should of been out of sight at half time only to end up with a total of 1 point from those games - and we are only 7 games in. This isn’t a dig at Ange, it’s a dig at the wasteful tossers who continually bodge excellent opportunities
 

Spurs_1981

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I have just heard on TS that Tottenham are the first side in PL history to lose ten games after being two goals up.

10 times in 30 + years and only 5 other teams have played as many games as us in the competition.

I don't know why broadcasters love these nothing stats. It doesn't seem to illustrate much at all.
 

FloridaSpur

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Jun 21, 2021
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And knowing how to adapt comes from the manager, he did nothing. That result was not 100% on the players. The failure was a collective failure. Not making subs (and then the wrong subs) until the 80th minute, standing there just shaking your head in silence, then the numerous defensive errors from the players. An absolute clusterfuck from players and manager.

Who is our *Graham Roberts in that side.

And I have seen Dave Mackay play in a Spurs shirt.

No leader, passion and most importantly a leader with character
 

FloridaSpur

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Jun 21, 2021
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But youre not going to keep that level of intensity up for 90 minutes pressing high up the pitch, and if thats the plan then subs coming on at the right time would be absolutely critical.

Left the subs way too late.

74 minutes, 3-2 down

We were going backwards from minute 48, yet our mate did nothing.
 

DenverSpur

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Sep 25, 2011
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A game of two half where unfortunately we went home at HT.
The first half we were all over them like a rash and should have had more goals(again); Werner’s first cross to Johnson should have been more accurate, Maddison took too long to pick his spot, I thought the offside was onside, difficult to see on the TV but the line seems to be from the arm!

Second half we didn’t turn up attacking wise and didn’t bother to close up shop at the back. All the goals were terrible. Udogie all over the place for the first. The third was what annoyed me the most. Ruttier wriggled out from 3 defenders and then when his cross comes in Romero (again) is stood there just watching Welbeck score. FGS you’re a CB, your job is to mark their CF.

Ultimately this is down to the manager. I don’t know what he said to them at HT but it had no affect. Brighton came out and did to us what we did to them in the first half and this was obvious right from the start but Ange did nothing to change the narrative. He didn’t have us sit a bit deeper and be a bit more compact to ride out their storm. He didn’t make substitutions to bring fresh legs, energy and ideas. He just stood there and watched them score 3 goals in 18 minutes. Even then he waited another 10 minutes or so before making any changes!!! Why not Moore for Werner then? Maybe Moore and Sarr’s energy on for Werner and Johnson after their first goal could have given us a much needed kick up the arse to get us playing again?

I get so tired of watching our managers over the last decade or so be so passive with their substitutions. They can change half the starting team and if used intelligently it can alter the narrative of games. I appreciate mangers can’t do the player’s jobs for them but they can change the players and/or tactics to TRY and get the team to do the job he wants.
I like Ange and I like his football philosophy but unless he’s willing to tweak his tactics and his personnel in order to get required results we’re, sadly, not going to win anything.
 

DenverSpur

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I just watched Angie’s post match interview. In it he, rightly, criticized the the player’s application in the second half. That they were too complacent. All true but it begs the question why didn’t he do something about it? Why didn’t he make substitutions within the first 10-15 minutes to at least send the message that he wasn’t happy with how they were performing? Isn’t that a sign of his complacency?
 

DenverSpur

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agreed, easy to blame Ange cos that’s where it usually goes. But not a single one of them stepped up. In-game management is not solely on the manager
But the buck stops with him. If he’s unhappy with how the team is performing he has to make them aware of that by hooking any number of them off. He can change half the team from the bench.
 

DenverSpur

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At the end of the day the best teams are built on a solid defence, evidently that's still our biggest weakness and we need to start tweaking that area. I never ever feel confident that we can keep a clean sheet, that's an issue for a team competing at the level we are and trying to win things.
It’s like old adage; an attack might win you a cup but a defense wins you the league.
It’s the same in most sports. In baseball big hitters may get you to the Playoffs but it’s the defense, pitchers, who’ll win you the Workd Series
 

ClonedFromSandrosBeard

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But the buck stops with him. If he’s unhappy with how the team is performing he has to make them aware of that by hooking any number of them off. He can change half the team from the bench.
Not that simple imo, our full backs were isolated and exposed/out of position frequently from about minute 30, there was no-one to bring on, aside from maybe Sarr, who might be able to help with that. Once we were 2-2 (and it was 2-2 very quickly) you're not going to take Maddison or Kulusevski off for Sarr because you want to win this match and they're your main creators, the only candidate to take off was Werner but he seemed to be beating Veltman for fun in the first half, so again was maybe our best route to goal (obviously in hindsight, Veltman seemed to nullify him for the second half) . So I can see why Ange trusted the team he had out there from 2-2.

This looked to me like our system having it's inherent weakness exposed (inverted full backs and high wingers leave a lot of space to defend, our pressing is very energy intensive, Maddison and Kulusevski are not that adept defensively), combined with intangibles like game momentum and bobbles of the ball having an effect. On this latter point Johnson has a chance at the end of the first half to make it 3 but the ball just bobbles as he's shooting making him blast it over

In short, it's a hard loss but no need to panic. I thought the swing in narrative from the commentators was quite frankly hilarious. In the first half we're incredible, first time we've won 6 straight in so long, we're back. Then we're losing and suddenly we'll never get far because we can't defend. We're still playing well, there's no need to panic.
 

allatsea

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So sad. What happened ? We were running away with the game and then lost our focus. Did we get cocky ?
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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But the buck stops with him. If he’s unhappy with how the team is performing he has to make them aware of that by hooking any number of them off. He can change half the team from the bench.

agreed with this, and it’s why ultimately the managers are cut loose first.

But poor subs or lack of them is hardly a new managerial trait. Hopefully he’ll learn from this but doesn’t change that what I saw from those players was beyond unprofessional
 

jimmy-jojo

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So sad. What happened ? We were running away with the game and then lost our focus. Did we get cocky ?

The team is a flat-track bully with a glass chin. One punch to the nose and they crumble and piss their collective pants.

So reminiscent of the late 90s & 00s. I remember when GGG was in charge and people would often say “I’d prefer to lose 2-3 than win 1-0. iT’s tHe SpURs Way”


We have our Spurs back.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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Nov 25, 2012
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Not that simple imo, our full backs were isolated and exposed/out of position frequently from about minute 30, there was no-one to bring on, aside from maybe Sarr, who might be able to help with that. Once we were 2-2 (and it was 2-2 very quickly) you're not going to take Maddison or Kulusevski off for Sarr because you want to win this match and they're your main creators, the only candidate to take off was Werner but he seemed to be beating Veltman for fun in the first half, so again was maybe our best route to goal (obviously in hindsight, Veltman seemed to nullify him for the second half) . So I can see why Ange trusted the team he had out there from 2-2.

This looked to me like our system having it's inherent weakness exposed (inverted full backs and high wingers leave a lot of space to defend, our pressing is very energy intensive, Maddison and Kulusevski are not that adept defensively), combined with intangibles like game momentum and bobbles of the ball having an effect. On this latter point Johnson has a chance at the end of the first half to make it 3 but the ball just bobbles as he's shooting making him blast it over

In short, it's a hard loss but no need to panic. I thought the swing in narrative from the commentators was quite frankly hilarious. In the first half we're incredible, first time we've won 6 straight in so long, we're back. Then we're losing and suddenly we'll never get far because we can't defend. We're still playing well, there's no need to panic.
I would say the chasing back is more energy intensive than the pressing.

Our players in particular the full backs look completely fucked after 50-60 mins.

It's also difficult defending when you are sprinting back facing your own goal.
 

ComfortablyNumb

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Jun 28, 2011
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It seems ridiculous to say but there are positives from this. The first half was excellent. A touch too open for my liking but we were carving a very competent side open away from home. There are some signs that the plan A is working better in recent weeks. Most of the United game and the first half today was as good as we've played under Ange. We played similarly well in the first 45 v Leicester and against Brentford.

With that in mind it's not all doom and gloom and there are a few signs of progress.
You may be right, but my impression is that nothing has changed. All season we've played high risk high speed football. A lot of one touch passing, flicks and backheels to move the ball at pace. When it works, it's glorious, but when it doesn't it is truly horrible. In my view what we're seeing is how dependent our football is on the way our opponents play. Utd chose not to press our midfield at all, until it was too late, and we had a field day. Brighton initially wanted to play across the whole field, giving us space an time. In the second half, Brighton denied us space in the middle, and we fell back into our side to side passing, forcing ourselves down the wings with a semi-static midfield structure.
 

bigfrooj

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Nov 11, 2011
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Hats off to the young Brighton manager. He saw that Porro and Udogie were getting pulled all over the place and Romero and Van de Ven were struggling to cover and that there wasn’t much help coming from our very offensive midfield or our wide forwards. Their wingers and full backs attacked very aggressively from the second half kickoff and we were always going to lose our shape - that the goal happened so quickly was a bonus for them. Disappointing that Ange says they were expecting the aggression but we still unravelled.
 
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