Match Threads Brighton vs Spurs

[SpartanSpur]

First 45 mins we looked a really classy and quality outfit.

End of the game it feels like a disaster.

I just hope the first half is a better sign of our true quality. We had the disruption of playing away in Europe on the Thursday, and Brighton are no mugs. Usually poor finishing costs them but the ball fell nicely for them a couple of times today (due to poor play from us).

At home we probably run out easy winners after going 2-0 up. Away and the crowd energises Brighton and makes our players shrink. We are a young team. I love Udogie but he's made two school boy errors today that killed us.

Seen some people calling us mid-table in here. A mid-table team doesn't play like we did first half. We've had a rough start. 4 away games and Arsenal at home out of 7, not the easiest.

We're still a work in progress, I'm confident we can still compete with the likes of Chelsea, Newcastle and Villa over 38 games, and have a deep run in Europa.

Reminds me a bit of the Chelsea home game last season. Felt like we'd finally cracked it before it all came crashing down. Hopefully it can be more of a positive turning point this time.

 

[SpursSince1980]

In my opinion we're unlikely to be winning cups either if 'This is the way we play' and there is no game management.

C’mon. This game management tack doesnt fit with what I’m seeing. How on earth does the manager game manage two brain farts and panic attacks in the first ten minutes of the second half?

What would you have done?

Yeah, maybe after they equalized he could change something, but how many options did he have? The entire team pissed their pants.

Can Ange teach Destiny to not swing and miss at an incoming cross? Or to switch off completely for the second goal?

Sorry, but I’m just not buying this critique of Ange. The players he had out there in the second half had a collective case of the yips. As nearly every effing Spurs team has in forty chuffing years.

I honestly don’t have answers anymore. I know scapegoating is fun, but to me, I just look at today and shrug. It was an oddity. I mean, imagine that Johnson scores his second goal before half time. The game is over.

But for so many years the history of Tottenham can be summed up in two words: Weak Mentality. That is why we have only won one cup of any significance since 1984.

This is us. But I at least have some conviction that under Ange we might be heading toward the daylight. He may make some bad choices here and there, but so does every manager in the PL. And especially anyone who has managed Spurs. But, if past is precedent, more often than not, it has always come down to the boys who put on the shirt. Who too many times over those forty years have shit the bed in games that matter the most.

 

[Mooger Fooger]

To try and be at least somewhat positive, for 45 mins we played them off their own park. Could quite easily have been 4-0 at half time.

 

[bubble07]

It's certainly more sustainable than just 45 minutes which is all we mustered today.

Look, after the last couple of league games I'm putting this down to a very poor day at the office for everyone involved. Hopefully we get a grip of it and learn valuable lessons very quickly, but I'll be damned if I'm letting Ange off the hook any more than the players when he stood by and watched it happen, just because he's put all the blame on them. When things aren't working it's his job to put them right, not tell us it was a lost cause, and he'd accepted it. They all have something to learn from today, ALL of them.

Just think seeing how we played first half the ceiling is so so high so I'm staying upbeat for now

 

[bubble07]

We lost the intensity the moment they scored (on the 48th minute) or perhaps even at the start of the 2nd half. That is not a fitness issue.

Yea this is a worry. Happened against Leicester and Newcastle. Just seems when opposition score against us whatever the score and we are away we just have this mental block

 

[WiganSpur]

It's certainly more sustainable than just 45 minutes which is all we mustered today.

Look, after the last couple of league games I'm putting this down to a very poor day at the office for everyone involved. Hopefully we get a grip of it and learn valuable lessons very quickly, but I'll be damned if I'm letting Ange off the hook any more than the players when he stood by and watched it happen, just because he's put all the blame on them. When things aren't working it's his job to put them right, not tell us it was a lost cause, and he'd accepted it. They all have something to learn from today, ALL of them.

It seems ridiculous to say but there are positives from this. The first half was excellent. A touch too open for my liking but we were carving a very competent side open away from home. There are some signs that the plan A is working better in recent weeks. Most of the United game and the first half today was as good as we've played under Ange. We played similarly well in the first 45 v Leicester and against Brentford.

With that in mind it's not all doom and gloom and there are a few signs of progress.

 

[WiganSpur]

We lost the intensity the moment they scored (on the 48th minute) or perhaps even at the start of the 2nd half. That is not a fitness issue.

Also given the majority of the players didn't start on Thursday I don't think you can raise tired legs as the reason for the initial collapse. Maybe from minute 75 or so that sort of thing starts to become a factor, and could possibly explain why we looked limp at grabbing an equaliser.

 

[Nine while nine]

To try and be at least somewhat positive, for 45 mins we played them off their own park. Could quite easily have been 4-0 at half time.

I admire your willingness to be upbeat, but one might as well say that Abraham Lincoln enjoyed the first act of the play he watched at the theatre.

 

[YB123]

In my opinion we're unlikely to be winning cups either if 'This is the way we play' and there is no game management.

I feel in knockout competitions, you can get away with it more.

 

[Rage]

C’mon. This game management tack doesnt fit with what I’m seeing. How on earth does the manager game manage two brain farts and panic attacks in the first ten minutes of the second half?

What would you have done?

Yeah, maybe after they equalized he could change something, but how many options did he have? The entire team pissed their pants.

Can Ange teach Destiny to not swing and miss at an incoming cross? Or to switch off completely for the second goal?

Sorry, but I’m just not buying this critique of Ange. The players he had out there in the second half had a collective case of the yips. As nearly every effing Spurs team has in forty chuffing years.

I honestly don’t have answers anymore. I know scapegoating is fun, but to me, I just look at today and shrug. It was an oddity. I mean, imagine that Johnson scores his second goal before half time. The game is over.

But for so many years the history of Tottenham can be summed up in two words: Weak Mentality. That is why we have only won one cup of any significance since 1984.

This is us. But I at least have some conviction that under Ange we might be heading toward the daylight. He may make some bad choices here and there, but so does every manager in the PL. And especially anyone who has managed Spurs. But, if past is precedent, more often than not, it has always come down to the boys who put on the shirt. Who too many times over those forty years have shit the bed in games that matter the most.

I agree almost entirely with all of this. However, whilst i do agree with the weakness mentality point - this could have entirely have been avoided if the manager had actually managed and made changes when needed.

I love the man but his stubbornness is debilitating. Bentancur was atrocious all game and yet he stayed on. The man needs to make changes and stop being so rigid. Play to your style, fine, but you have to be pragmatic. There is an obstinance to Ange that is a massive flaw. It’s always spoken about how top managers always react and are pragmatic - unfortunately, so far he has shown he is anything but

 

[gerishep]

It’s not just the players fault it’s the whole system that collapses under any kind of pressure.

 

[Trix]

It seems ridiculous to say but there are positives from this. The first half was excellent. A touch too open for my liking but we were carving a very competent side open away from home. There are some signs that the plan A is working better in recent weeks. Most of the United game and the first half today was as good as we've played under Ange. We played similarly well in the first 45 v Leicester and against Brentford.

With that in mind it's not all doom and gloom and there are a few signs of progress.

Of course, and I've seen real signs of progression the last few weeks but that 45 today was as bad as any I can remember. Them only scoring 3 actually flattered our performance in the second half to be honest. It makes it worse that it's come when we've been in such good form and after a decent first half showing, because it shows it was down to choice from the players, and not injuries or other realistic excuses.

 

[worcestersauce]

Kulu went to the left after the first 2 subs when he brought on Sarr and Biss, when Moore came on for Maddison, Kulu went into Maddisons position and Moore out left. He played on the left for about 6 minutes.

Yes that's right but not for the last 15 minutes.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Of course, and I've seen real signs of progression the last few weeks but that 45 today was as bad as any I can remember. Them only scoring 3 actually flattered our performance in the second half to be honest. It makes it worse that it's come when we've been in such good form and after a decent first half showing, because it shows it was down to choice from the players, and not injuries or other realistic excuses.

Then compounded by a stupid international break. We have two weeks to stew on this shit-show now.

I still feel we have improved this season and are on the right track but we've got to start turning that into tangible results and get up that table.

 

[DiamondLites]

Definitely seemed to me that we came out in the 2nd half in cruise control thinking it was won, too many looking to not get injured before they meet up with their buddies on international duty. Piss weak mentality and if I was Ange (and I’m not) I’d be furious with a fair few of them

So frustrating that we still have these mentality question marks after all the changes and turnover, and that we still have these performances in us. And yet again we have shitty pointless international break to stew on it

 

[Frank Blank]

First 45 mins we looked a really classy and quality outfit.

End of the game it feels like a disaster.

I just hope the first half is a better sign of our true quality. We had the disruption of playing away in Europe on the Thursday, and Brighton are no mugs. Usually poor finishing costs them but the ball fell nicely for them a couple of times today (due to poor play from us).

At home we probably run out easy winners after going 2-0 up. Away and the crowd energises Brighton and makes our players shrink. We are a young team. I love Udogie but he's made two school boy errors today that killed us.

Seen some people calling us mid-table in here. A mid-table team doesn't play like we did first half. We've had a rough start. 4 away games and Arsenal at home out of 7, not the easiest.

We're still a work in progress, I'm confident we can still compete with the likes of Chelsea, Newcastle and Villa over 38 games, and have a deep run in Europa.

Reminds me a bit of the Chelsea home game last season. Felt like we'd finally cracked it before it all came crashing down. Hopefully it can be more of a positive turning point this time.

Watching the match yesterday with my partner's son I warned him that we never put two decent halves together in the same match. And so it proved yet again with our abject failure when it comes to game management.

What really boils my piss though is that we should have been three or four up before half time. Sounding like a broken record the point is that we need to be more clinical.

 

[FloridaSpur]

Ange has said time and again, he ain't changing system or tactics.

Today was another embarrassing exercise in futility.

Just goes to show just how poor that United team are.

Flame me all you want, but we have two of the best centre half's in the PL and can't defend a two goal lead.

We are fast becoming the clowns of the PL. We are not playing Queen Of The South or Ross County every week.

Beating pub teams in the Europa League is scant reward for watching performances like today. Brighton changes at halftime, and Ange did nothing.

 

[FloridaSpur]

I have just heard on TS that Tottenham are the first side in PL history to lose ten games after being two goals up.

 

[midoshairband]

Ange has said time and again, he ain't changing system or tactics.

Today was another embarrassing exercise in futility.

Just goes to show just how poor that United team are.

Flame me all you want, but we have two of the best centre half's in the PL and can't defend a two goal lead.

We are fast becoming the clowns of the PL. We are not playing Queen Of The South or Ross County every week.

Beating pub teams in the Europa League is scant reward for watching performances like today. Brighton changes at halftime, and Ange did nothing.

we plenty of negative responses for questioning Ange, but his record since 'that Chelsea game' has been appalling.

 

[quackers]

Ange has said time and again, he ain't changing system or tactics.

Today was another embarrassing exercise in futility.

Just goes to show just how poor that United team are.

Flame me all you want, but we have two of the best centre half's in the PL and can't defend a two goal lead.

We are fast becoming the clowns of the PL. We are not playing Queen Of The South or Ross County every week.

Beating pub teams in the Europa League is scant reward for watching performances like today. Brighton changes at halftime, and Ange did nothing.

absolutely spot on.

Hasnt shown an ability to coach defensively with arguably the best 5 individual components in the EPL. Says to me hes a busted flush.

Destiny is actually looking worse every game he plays for us. Its like the training he has from aussie ossie doenst extend to playing in his own half...