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dagraham

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I don’t know. Maybe he thinks Dier can get back to his best? Maybe he thinks he can tweak the formation so that Winks and Ndombele will suffice? Maybe there were other priorities?

He did say we need a rebuild. Looks like he was more right than any of us realise.

Or maybe it’s him that’s the problem.

Yeah there are so many questions. All I know is we’re in a right mess and I don’t think there are any easy solutions.
 

Phomesy

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Yeah there are so many questions. All I know is we’re in a right mess and I don’t think there are any easy solutions.

Yeah. Just read Alistair Golds latest and while I know he’s a loyalist he makes sense.

Eriksen Toby and Rose are huge favourites of mine but they need to be replaced with Tanganga, Foyth, Kwp and Bruno Fernandez. For their sakes as well as ours.
 

DenverSpur

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A change of management will make zero difference right now. We have 4 first choice players who actually look like they want to leave so a new manager now is not going to change that. They will still play poorly and put in minimum effort. The only reason I can think of why Poch is playing them is because he has been asked by Levy to keep them in the fold to maintain value
Very unlikely. No manager would allow interference like that.
 

dagraham

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Yeah. Just read Alistair Golds latest and while I know he’s a loyalist he makes sense.

Eriksen Toby and Rose are huge favourites of mine but they need to be replaced with Tanganga, Foyth, Kwp and Bruno Fernandez. For their sakes as well as ours.

One of the problems for me is that despite the self proclaimed “best training facilities” around I’m not sure our current crop of youngsters are that good.

I don’t follow the youth though, so I can only go on what I’ve seen in their appearances for the first team. Tangana looked useful in pre season, but it’s only pre season against continental teams that are often way behind us in their physical preparations.

I don’t particularly see anything special in Skipp and KWP doesn’t particularly convince me either.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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These are the exact symptoms of issues behind the scenes. Top players being paid top money but a completely poor attitude, confidence missing and no fluidity and desire....

Its a poison and the only solution is to remove at root.....
Question is, is the root 5-6 players out pr the manager? So hard to say as it seems like a bit of both. Also seems like we tried to get rid of quite a few in summer but failed, that seems to be more a levy issue than poch, very complex and a real shame we’ve come to this.
 

Jonesey

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One of the problems for me is that despite the self proclaimed “best training facilities” around I’m not sure our current crop of youngsters are that good.

I don’t follow the youth though, so I can only go on what I’ve seen in their appearances for the first team. Tangana looked useful in pre season, but it’s only pre season against continental teams that are often way behind us in their physical preparations.

I don’t particularly see anything special in Skipp and KWP doesn’t particularly convince me either.
Finally, someone has said it. Spot on.

And even the first team when you take away a fit and on-form Dembele (gone), Trippier (gone), Toby, Verts, Eriksen (going) who, actually, are we left with who would inspire a starting XI capable of hitting top-4?

Lloris - too many mistakes
Aurier - liability
Rose - wants to leave
Davies - hardly solid or inspiring
Sanchez - not good enough at this level
Tanganga - looks promising but not ready
Winks - passes sideways, loses the ball, zero assists
Dier - loses the ball constantly
Lamela - headless chicken, very little end product
Son - good when played in the right formation doesn’t seem to work atm
Moura - good, falls over too easily, doesn’t seem to thrive alongside Kane
Kane - world class but doesn’t get enough service, can’t work miracles

Lo Celso - will take a season to settle
N’Dombele - not enough quality around him to see his best
Sessegnon - who knows!

And how many would get in the Liverpool or City team?

We’ve lost 17 games in all competitions in 2019, more than any other premier league side, even Watford.

The club have really hung Poch - and us - out to dry with their transfer policy in the past 4 years.
 

dagraham

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Finally, someone has said it. Spot on.

And even the first team when you take away a fit and on-form Dembele (gone), Trippier (gone), Toby, Verts, Eriksen (going) who, actually, are we left with who would inspire a starting XI capable of hitting top-4?

Lloris - too many mistakes
Aurier - liability
Rose - wants to leave
Davies - hardly solid or inspiring
Sanchez - not good enough at this level
Tanganga - looks promising but not ready
Winks - passes sideways, loses the ball, zero assists
Dier - loses the ball constantly
Lamela - headless chicken, very little end product
Son - good when played in the right formation doesn’t seem to work atm
Moura - good, falls over too easily, doesn’t seem to thrive alongside Kane
Kane - world class but doesn’t get enough service, can’t work miracles

Lo Celso - will take a season to settle
N’Dombele - not enough quality around him to see his best
Sessegnon - who knows!

And how many would get in the Liverpool or City team?

We’ve lost 17 games in all competitions in 2019, more than any other premier league side, even Watford.

The club have really hung Poch - and us - out to dry with their transfer policy in the past 4 years.

I think you’re being a little harsh with a coulple of the assessments, but yeah although our squad is certainly good enough for top four, it’s not quite as good as some think and certainly not good enough to have a load of first choice players removed from it.
 

scat1620

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Does anyone know what the xG was today? I think it was a good point that will be useful for us in the CL group stage when we got an xG draw against Bayern Munich in mid-week, but keen to see how today's pretend goals leave us looking in the xG Premier League table?
 

scat1620

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One of the problems for me is that despite the self proclaimed “best training facilities” around I’m not sure our current crop of youngsters are that good.

I don’t follow the youth though, so I can only go on what I’ve seen in their appearances for the first team. Tangana looked useful in pre season, but it’s only pre season against continental teams that are often way behind us in their physical preparations.

I don’t particularly see anything special in Skipp and KWP doesn’t particularly convince me either.
Honestly, I don't have a whole lot of confidence in the youngsters either. The posters on here who watch the most youth team football have consistently said that Onomah and Edwards were two of the most talented players to come through our ranks in recent years, and they've both now left the club without tearing up any trees wherever they've been, including not being regular starters at their new clubs. Likewise, KWP was regularly praised as one of the cream of our recent crops, and he still looks a long way away from being a player who I'd be happy to have playing regular games for us.

That's not a hard and fast declaration that OMG Our Youth Is Shiiiiit, but equally as a layman who doesn't follow the youth team thoroughly, the fortunes of our so-called brightest and best don't exactly leave you bullish that things will all be okay if we turn to the academy in these straitened cicumstances now, do they?
 

dagraham

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Does anyone know what the xG was today? I think it was a good point that will be useful for us in the CL group stage when we got an xG draw against Bayern Munich in mid-week, but keen to see how today's pretend goals leave us looking in the xG Premier League table?

Well we won the possession today if that helps? :D
 

scat1620

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Well we won the possession today if that helps? :D
And we have some lovely Land & Buildings assets on the balance sheet, because really I value having a state of the art training ground and shiny new stadium much more than I do the idea of winning things and being a better footballing club than Arsenal.
 

Primativ

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Finally, someone has said it. Spot on.

And even the first team when you take away a fit and on-form Dembele (gone), Trippier (gone), Toby, Verts, Eriksen (going) who, actually, are we left with who would inspire a starting XI capable of hitting top-4?

Lloris - too many mistakes
Aurier - liability
Rose - wants to leave
Davies - hardly solid or inspiring
Sanchez - not good enough at this level
Tanganga - looks promising but not ready
Winks - passes sideways, loses the ball, zero assists
Dier - loses the ball constantly
Lamela - headless chicken, very little end product
Son - good when played in the right formation doesn’t seem to work atm
Moura - good, falls over too easily, doesn’t seem to thrive alongside Kane
Kane - world class but doesn’t get enough service, can’t work miracles

Lo Celso - will take a season to settle
N’Dombele - not enough quality around him to see his best
Sessegnon - who knows!

And how many would get in the Liverpool or City team?

We’ve lost 17 games in all competitions in 2019, more than any other premier league side, even Watford.

The club have really hung Poch - and us - out to dry with their transfer policy in the past 4 years.


Or, the players are much better than your assessment and the reason you think they are poor is because they are playing under Poch.
 

SugarRay

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One of the problems for me is that despite the self proclaimed “best training facilities” around I’m not sure our current crop of youngsters are that good.

I don’t follow the youth though, so I can only go on what I’ve seen in their appearances for the first team. Tangana looked useful in pre season, but it’s only pre season against continental teams that are often way behind us in their physical preparations.

I don’t particularly see anything special in Skipp and KWP doesn’t particularly convince me either.

Well, in reality, we can only expect one genuine first teamer to come through from the academy every 3/4/5 years, assuming we want to keep challenging at the level we were at last season.

Parrott is the next one it seems. Skipp is still up in the air, depends how he goes this season imo.

I think we’re guilty of laziness when it comes to the youth and our scouting in general. When was the last time we picked up someone under the radar? Or picked up a top youngster tipped for big things?

We seem miles off the pace when it comes to theses areas.
 

SugarRay

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Putting a 19yo in the side sure worked for BHA today. Maybe we should try it. Things can't get much worse ...

He’s shit too. We made him look quality. Embarassing


Can’t believe I’m watching this again. I think I’m only watching to hear Shearer rip the gutless wankers a new arsehole
 

dagraham

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Well, in reality, we can only expect one genuine first teamer to come through from the academy every 3/4/5 years, assuming we want to keep challenging at the level we were at last season.

Parrott is the next one it seems. Skipp is still up in the air, depends how he goes this season imo.

I think we’re guilty of laziness when it comes to the youth and our scouting in general. When was the last time we picked up someone under the radar? Or picked up a top youngster tipped for big things?

We seem miles off the pace when it comes to theses areas.

Yeah I suppose when I mentioned the youth, they don’t have to be direct from our academy. We can still recruit them from elsewhere.
 
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