Boxing thread?

[nattydredd]

That goes down as one of the very best wins by a UK fighter in the states. Near the level when Lloyd Honeyghan beat Don Curry, yonks ago.

Totally dominant and elevates him hugely worldwide. The unification fight with Joshua will be a huge event, if it happens. I'd back Fury in that match up.

10/10 Fury.

 

[$hoguN]

Really great performance by Fury. Stopping Wilder finding his range by closing in was a bold but brilliant decision.

Wilder would be absolutely stupid to take up a 3rd fight as it could leave him taking serious harm. His complete lack of boxing skill was horribly exposed.

Hopefully we get to see Fury vs Joshua as that would be an interesting one

 

[SugarRay]

Delighted for him. Great performance, did what he said he’d do and I won a few quid in the process! Get in

Doubted Wilders chin for a while and he’s been relying on his right hand for far too long. He had no idea what to do when Fury put it on him. Toughed it out though and wanted to carry on, big props for that. He was finished after round 3, took bollocks to stay in there. Great puncher but it will only take him so far.

Perfectly set up for Fury v Joshua now. Surely that has to happen, fuck the mandatory defences or any Wilder rematch etc, get it made. At The Lane too

 

[poc]

Great performance from fury stood his ground forces the fight landed nice jabs and really effectively used the extra weight to wear down wilder. Wilder just looked lost and didn’t know what to do. Fury just smothered the fight out of him in the 6th stopped was a bit meh but fury schooled him. Look forward to the AJ fight now hope they get it made.

 

[McFlash]

Would live to see AJ vs Fury at The Lane.
Have to say, it's hard to see a better boxer than Fury out there at the moment, he really is a talented fighter.

 

[1882andallthat]

Yes it was a great win by Fury, but until either AJ or Fury fight each other, assuming neither have lost before then neither have the absolute right to call themselves the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, and neither do boxing commentators or so called experts.
I'm no boxing expert at all, and don't claim to be, but it should be plain to see, I.e. as plain as the nose on your face that until a fighter holds ALL as opposed to some of the world title belts at the same time they can't technically be called the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world if more than one person holds one or some of them and they are not technically vacant and held by no-one.

Fury holds world title belts and so does Joshua at the same time, and assuming there are no other heavyweight world title belts held by anyone else then no-one is the undisputed heavyweight title holder until one person holds them all at the same time, it really is as simple as that, and if these two fighters go through their whole career and never fight each other, how are we ever truly going to know who was the better of the two, we can all speculate and so can they, but until it happens, no-one can truly know, again that should be a basic fact. For that reason it must happen, assuming neither loses before we get to this stage.

 

[mark87]

Absolute domination by Fury. Wilder was fucked after the first knock down and Fury, with his superior boxing skills, made sure he went on to win after that.

If we ever get to see Fury/Joshua then without a doubt Fury wins, I thought it before this fight and this performance has made me even more confident that'll be the outcome.

 

[McFlash]

Absolute domination by Fury. Wilder was fucked after the first knock down and Fury, with his superior boxing skills, made sure he went on to win after that.

If we ever get to see Fury/Joshua then without a doubt Fury wins, I thought it before this fight and this performance has made me even more confident that'll be the outcome.

I agree. When he first came on the scene, I had high hopes for Joshua but recently, there are some obvious flaws to his game and it's hard to see how he'd beat Fury.
The only person that can beat Fury, is himself.

 

[Shanks]

It will elevate him but he won't be anywhere near the name recognition of Messi, Ronaldo, Federer or LeBron. Outside of Ali and Tyson no boxer has had a legitimate claim to be called the biggest sportsman on the planet.

Got a feeling we could see it with Fury. You ever seen a home boxer boo

Yes it was a great win by Fury, but until either AJ or Fury fight each other, assuming neither have lost before then neither have the absolute right to call themselves the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, and neither do boxing commentators or so called experts.
I'm no boxing expert at all, and don't claim to be, but it should be plain to see, I.e. as plain as the nose on your face that until a fighter holds ALL as opposed to some of the world title belts at the same time they can't technically be called the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world if more than one person holds one or some of them and they are not technically vacant and held by no-one.

Fury holds world title belts and so does Joshua at the same time, and assuming there are no other heavyweight world title belts held by anyone else then no-one is the undisputed heavyweight title holder until one person holds them all at the same time, it really is as simple as that, and if these two fighters go through their whole career and never fight each other, how are we ever truly going to know who was the better of the two, we can all speculate and so can they, but until it happens, no-one can truly know, again that should be a basic fact. For that reason it must happen, assuming neither loses before we get to this stage.

tyson is the lineal champ though, and has held every single belt - so whilst he never ‘lost’ his titles, they were taken from him / given up.

but agree, needs to happen although cannot see AJ getting anywhere near Fury

 

[1882andallthat]

Absolute domination by Fury. Wilder was fucked after the first knock down and Fury, with his superior boxing skills, made sure he went on to win after that.

If we ever get to see Fury/Joshua then without a doubt Fury wins, I thought it before this fight and this performance has made me even more confident that'll be the outcome.

The point is, you cannot say that Fury wins 'without' doubt, until they actually fight each other there will always be an element of doubt, and all we have is speculation of which one is better because of X or Y. If either of them refuse or avoid fighting each other then it is them that are sowing those seeds of doubt. So they should just simply put all of this speculation to bed by finally getting in the ring together.

 

[Goldman]

Fury was superb. The fight vs AJ has to happen!!

 

[mark87]

The point is, you cannot say that Fury wins 'without' doubt, until they actually fight each other there will always be an element of doubt, and all we have is speculation of which one is better because of X or Y. If either of them refuse or avoid fighting each other then it is them that are sowing those seeds of doubt. So they should just simply put all of this speculation to bed by finally getting in the ring together.

It's just a saying, it wasnt meant to be taken literally.

 

[dontcallme]

I agree. When he first came on the scene, I had high hopes for Joshua but recently, there are some obvious flaws to his game and it's hard to see how he'd beat Fury.
The only person that can beat Fury, is himself.

I always felt Joshua was tactically flawed and a smart fighter would get to him.

Once under pressure in the first Ruiz fight he showed a real lack of adaptability to turn the fight around.

If AJ fights Fury I think he would need to just go for it. A slower paced fight and Fury would tactically beat him with ease.

 

[HildoSpur]

That was a masterclass from Fury. He utterly dominated and destroyed Wilder. Honestly thought the fight could have been stopped sooner.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Watching the fight again - Tyson fought really smart. From the first bell he put himself in charge and you can see how much Wilder was on the back foot trying to figure him out. Into round five, Wilder's got blood in his ear and gets progressively less stable on his feet, wouldn't surprise me if he's bust an ear drum, but he starts shielding his ribs after that big body shot too, I wonder if he's broken a couple there too.

Once he knew this wasn't going to run it's course he wasn't so bothered about the point loss, but it was right he docked him, price he chose to pay for making Wilder wear him like a hat most of the fight after round three. Licking his neck in the clinch was a laugh though, that's got to be right up there as an amazing psych out

Wilder looked shook from the off though, wasn't on his game at all. He needs to bulk up some as even the hooks he landed were just shrugged off by Tyson once he had set out his stand in the middle of the ring and I think that towel was just admitting he had been battered out of the match.

He'll feel that for a few weeks, he was smashed up like a car in a junk yard by the end. Once he's over the frustration of it all and watches the fight back, looks at the injuries, he'll thank his corner.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Good to see the towel come in. Far too many boxers take too much punishment. Nice to see Wilder's corner looking out for him

 

[McFlash]

I always felt Joshua was tactically flawed and a smart fighter would get to him.

Once under pressure in the first Ruiz fight he showed a real lack of adaptability to turn the fight around.

If AJ fights Fury I think he would need to just go for it. A slower paced fight and Fury would tactically beat him with ease.

Yeah, Joshua's always reminded me a bit of Bruno, in that he's got all the physical traits to dominate but lacks the true fighters instinct and aggression.

 

[yawa]

Fury was superb. The fight vs AJ has to happen!!

It’ll get delayed again. Reason. Money.

There’s no where to go after that.

 

[Thewobbler]

I said a while back on this thread that wilder wasnt a very good boxer, he just had insane power that got him through. He should have lost the first fight to fury, was clearly losing both fights to ortiz until he eventually caught him with that power shot. He had bad movement, walked in straight lines all night.

He said he jacked his leg up before the fight....excuses. Tyson fury is just the better boxer and his new trainer gave him the plan to beat wilder easily.

 

[SugarRay]

It will elevate him but he won't be anywhere near the name recognition of Messi, Ronaldo, Federer or LeBron. Outside of Ali and Tyson no boxer has had a legitimate claim to be called the biggest sportsman on the planet.

Jack Dempsey was up there in his day.