Boxing thread?

[brendanb50]

Hopefully we see. For what it’s worth, Joshua hasn’t really been the one avoiding these fights. Makes no sense to turn down too many Joshua offers, Joshua is the money fight for everyone. I have no idea why people wouldn’t want to fight him.
Ruiz made more in two fights against Joshua than Fury and Wilder have in their entire careers. Crazy really

I think we might see Wilder v Joshua. I hope we see Fury v Joshua.

Anyway, I look forward to the day Daniel Dubois comes through and knocks all three of them out and settles the whole argument?

They're the fights all fans want to see as well. One thing which made heavyweight boxing such a universal draw, back in the day (not that it isn't bringing in the cash!) was that big names fought big names. You could go back to Ali taking all comers or in more recent history Lewis/Tyson/Holyfield all fighting at some stage or multiple times. The best should fight the best and if they did, they'd all make even more money as they're putting everything on the line.

I enjoyed seeing Ruiz in the first fight, a bit of a wildcard and he gave a great account of himself, Joshua was caught out, slow and sluggish in comparison to Ruiz's great combos. But the rematch you saw the difference between what a big fighter does and doesn't do. Ruiz should have been even sharper this time around and he really wasn't as where Joshua learned his lesson and came back with a game plan and executed to his strengths. He will be a better fighter for that lesson and to make my point, you only learn by stepping out of your comfort zone and fighting the best challengers out there.

I hope we see those fights next because AJ to me is still a somewhat questionable champ until he takes them.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Love seeing this thread boom with pages, ultimately Boxing politics is the biggest killer of the sport and promoters and channels fighters not ceding on negotiations ruins what should be great fights for the sport and enticing new fans...I don't think it is any coincidence that a lot of the younger generation are bang into UFC as all the fighters are on central contracts so the big fights get made when they should.

Mayweath Vs Pacquaio is the case in point, should have happened years earlier (although for me the outcome would have remained the same) yet we get a cloud hanging over it due to prime years being past.

 

[SugarRay]

To be fair, Joshua cant really have done much more, his resume is the strongest of all the fighters currently fighting but it is rightly overshadowed by the defeat he has now suffered to a much lesser fighter. He seems to have learnt from it though and as you say he should become better for it. All three of the main men are flawed so that adds to the intrigue.

He’s done everything and more asked of him for someone that didn’t lace em up until he was 18. World silver medalist, Olympic gold, British, Commonwealth and IBF champion after 16 fights. His run of opponents are - Whyte, Martin, Breazeale, Molina, Klitschko, Takam ( Pulev pulled out ), Parker, Povetkin, Ruiz, Ruiz, next up will be Parker and then probably Usyk. That’s quite the claim imo. He’s only been a pro for 6 years!
I am impressed with his reaction to defeat. I know people who are in the Sheffield camp and a couple of GB/England youth representatives and they have been saying Joshua had previously started to take over control of what he thought he should or shouldn’t be doing. Swimming instead of sparring, choosing not to do as much training as he was being advised etc, working on things he shouldn’t have been working on amongst other things. Nothing major but little bits and pieces. This was before the loss, hopefully he has realised now.

The 90’s/00’s heavyweights should be revered every bit as much as the 60’s/70’s eras but they didn’t fight when it mattered. Shame but that’s how it goes.

 

[Ronwol196061]

To be fair, Joshua cant really have done much more, his resume is the strongest of all the fighters currently fighting but it is rightly overshadowed by the defeat he has now suffered to a much lesser fighter. He seems to have learnt from it though and as you say he should become better for it. All three of the main men are flawed so that adds to the intrigue.

He’s done everything and more asked of him for someone that didn’t lace em up until he was 18. World silver medalist, Olympic gold, British, Commonwealth and IBF champion after 16 fights. His run of opponents are - Whyte, Martin, Breazeale, Molina, Klitschko, Takam ( Pulev pulled out ), Parker, Povetkin, Ruiz, Ruiz, next up will be Parker and then probably Usyk. That’s quite the claim imo. He’s only been a pro for 6 years!
I am impressed with his reaction to defeat. I know people who are in the Sheffield camp and a couple of GB/England youth representatives and they have been saying Joshua had previously started to take over control of what he thought he should or shouldn’t be doing. Swimming instead of sparring, choosing not to do as much training as he was being advised etc, working on things he shouldn’t have been working on amongst other things. Nothing major but little bits and pieces. This was before the loss, hopefully he has realised now.

The 90’s/00’s heavyweights should be revered every bit as much as the 60’s/70’s eras but they didn’t fight when it mattered. Shame but that’s how it goes.

The beauty of Ali was controlling fights though with Henry Cooper he did have a fight.
After the ban the fights were tremendous toe to toe stuff and he did take a lot of punishment then. In his earlier fights the competition wasn't as strong but he was such a character he created his image as a Superstar with great humour too.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Also the middleweights of the 70s were brilliant lots of great fights.

 

[SugarRay]

Ali transcended sport. He was something so different to what we say today, what with most being media trained etc

Can you imagine the equivalent of what Ali did being done today? None of today’s crop have the conviction, character or courage to take such stances as he did. Chuck in being handsome, an outstanding boxer and charismatic and we’ll never ever see one like him again, he was so much more than a sportstar or a world class athlete.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Ali transcended sport. He was something so different to what we say today, what with most being media trained etc

Can you imagine the equivalent of what Ali did being done today? None of today’s crop have the conviction, character or courage to take such stances as he did. Chuck in being handsome, an outstanding boxer and charismatic and we’ll never ever see one like him again, he was so much more than a sportstar or a world class athlete.

And he did what he said he would do,although maybe with Cooper it was a bit iffy.
The most charismatic ever!
I think I was about 15 when I first head about Ali. I think he was at ringside for the Liston /Patterson fight and he cause a whole commotion.At that time nobody had ever seen anything like it
Brilliant promoter!

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Ali transcended sport. He was something so different to what we say today, what with most being media trained etc

Can you imagine the equivalent of what Ali did being done today? None of today’s crop have the conviction, character or courage to take such stances as he did. Chuck in being handsome, an outstanding boxer and charismatic and we’ll never ever see one like him again, he was so much more than a sportstar or a world class athlete.

You probably read it already but the Ali hagiography is a superb read

 

[dontcallme]

Another big knockout for Dubois. He still looks a bit green and boxing fan culture will be trying to push him to a world title long before he's ready.

Would quite like him to look to an ageing star with a bit of pedigree. Takam or Helenius would offer a different challenge

 

[teok]

Another big knockout for Dubois. He still looks a bit green and boxing fan culture will be trying to push him to a world title long before he's ready.

Would quite like him to look to an ageing star with a bit of pedigree. Takam or Helenius would offer a different challenge

I have been following him as well. I'm really interested to see how far he goes. Seems very calm and level headed. I felt sorry for that japanese lad it was a total mis match. They said during the commentary that they were having problems getting opponents for him.

 

[SugarRay]

Joshua at The Lane?

 

[Yid-ol]

Joshua at The Lane?

Can he play as a forward?!

 

[SugarRay]

Can he play as a forward?!

To be fair, he could play where he fucking well wanted to! Won’t get many arguments

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

To be fair, he could play where he fucking well wanted to! Won’t get many arguments

Stick him on goal with some larger than usual gloves. Wont be many in the area.

 

[tototoner]

Joshua at The Lane?

 

[NickHSpurs]

That'll be quality, I was at Wembley for the Klitschko fight and the atmosphere was immense.

 

[SugarRay]

Stadiums aren’t the best for the actual view but it’s an event that’s for sure.

Should be a better view at our gaff too.

Joyce Dubois confirmed. I’m going. Fan of both but I have very high hopes for DDD.

 

[mark87]

Stadiums aren’t the best for the actual view but it’s an event that’s for sure.

Should be a better view at our gaff too.

Joyce Dubois confirmed. I’m going. Fan of both but I have very high hopes for DDD.

Can only see a Dubois win with this one, the better boxer imo and Joyce is just too slow.

 

[SugarRay]

Can only see a Dubois win with this one, the better boxer imo and Joyce is just too slow.

I think Dubois will win too. Could be an interesting fight though. If Dubois isn’t what I think he could be, and Joyce is still in there after 4/5 rounds, it could be very lively. Joyce is deceiving. Slow, plodder but he’s very tough and relentless. Extremely fit for a fighter of his size.
He was robbed of Olympic Gold, he’s not an easy fight by a long shot. I just think Dubois could be something special though.

Many variations of how this one could go and will answer a lot of questions about both. That’s why it’s a great fight to make

 

[dontcallme]

Dave Allen not looking great. Nice guy and would be nice to see him take on a British level fighter. Darch couldn't take a punch at all.