Match Threads Bournemouth vs Spurs - Match Thread

[Smokinhotspur]

This is conformational biased nonsense at its very worst. Moreover, in respect to the sliding tackling, the poor guy can win...doenst make the table he's called lazy and with a poor attitude...makes the tackle and he's called unfit. Lamela does that and he's a hero, Dier does it and he's a leader etc etc.

Some of our fans....

Just so I understand your perspective, what exactly do you mean by conformational bias? Conformation to what? And why mention Lamela and Dier as my comment was specific to Ndombele?

 

[topper]

Jose on the radio: "It's hard against a team who is only playing for a point." Pathetic excuses.

You sure that wasn't Eddie Howe you heard?

 

[rupsmith]

2 half way decent crosses, that was it.

Aurier has become more resilient defensively, but I simply cannot understand why he doesn't look to go past his fullback to cross, I haven't seen him take on a fullback for weeks now. I can live with him not getting every cross right, no winger or attacking fullback does, but he's got to make the opposition fullback work to stop him. At the moment they're far too comfortable just taking up a position knowing that it will funnel him inside.

But Aurier, at the moment, is the least of our problems. I've been a staunch advocate of Lamela for years now, but he's run his race here now. 7 years at Spurs and you'd think his game would have improved going forward. It hasn't and he's one of the plethora of players we have that kill our own forward momentum. Lucas is another, too one dimensional, no guile, no special awareness, no first touch, he's just a dynamo.
I like Sissoko for the heart he's shown, but that simply isn't enough. Heart, and nothing else helps to keep you in the division, not win pots and challenge for titles.
Winks is a utility player. For me he's like Mason was, started well and looked promising, but has just turned out to be pretty ordinary.

And that's the rub, too many ordinary players in key creative positions and it affects the quality we do have. Kane isn't a Bale, where he can pick the ball up and turn on a bit of magic to change a game. He's a World class striker who finishes what others create. He can do it himself to a degree, but when the opposition know that if they crowd him out there's no one else that can turn a game, then you get what we're currently seeing. In essence, stifle Kane and you've pulled our attacking teeth.

What really disappointed me was what I feared, and mentioned, after the Everton game. JM questioned their desire after SU and got a response, but it lasted 1 game. There was no desire in this game.

And no, I'm not giving JM a pass here either. He's obviously been working on the defensive stability, although we did ride our luck somewhat today. I understand and have been quite vocal about the need for that, but there really is no excuse for the utter shambles we see going forward, even Lo Celso looked bereft of ideas today because he's looking to do one thing whilst everyone else around him is doing something else. In fact, apart from the defence, every other player on the pitch seemed to be doing the opposite to everyone else when we had the ball. Even the most basic attacking drills would produce a better performance going forward than we're currently seeing.
Having said that, those players shouldn't need attacking drills to pass a ball accurately. Jesus, there was some passing out there that the kids I used to coach would be embarrassed by if they were doing it.

This last bit will make A&C laugh, but I'm in total agreement that this now falls at Levy's door. We've regressed badly and are left with too many ordinary players who simply cannot get the basics right, do not have the requisite quality, nouse or presence to get us where we aspire to be. They're squad fillers in first team roles.
I've never been about huge spending, but with what we've lost, I don't see where we have a choice. The amount of upgrading we actually need, even if we were to only spend say 20 million per player upgrade, we'd still need to outlay 9 figure sums.

Now the depressed rant is over, one small positive I did take from this game was NDombele. He looked more disciplined and willing to work when he came on, he also looked to try to make things happen. Ok they didn't, but you have to expect that when he's been out for so long. I'd be inclined to give him a run of games in the position where he can do most damage, same as we did with Lamela a couple of years ago. He was rusty and it took him about 4 games to get into the swing of things in the middle, but when he did he was the catalyst for our front foot Football, leading the press every time and putting himself in the frame for the first name on the team sheet until injury put the kibosh on that.
I think we need to do the same for NDombele, give him the chance to get up to speed, prove he's up for it and be the catalyst for our attacking creativity. If he doesn't put the work rate in then fair enough, we get our answer on his temperament, but as it stands, we have nothing in the middle that Kane, or any of the other forwards for that matter, can feed off. It might even help Lo Celso by taking much of the creative burden away from him.

We need something to give us some hope for next season.

Good post sir. Generally agree. However I do think that Lucas would benefit from better players around him and be able to add a lot more value. Ndombele some improved conditioning. But yes quite a few passengers. Lamela, Sissoko, Aurier are some - we need a couple of players in the Eriksen role. Currently creativity seriously lacking and even basic attacking passing.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

I managed to see the extra time played out and I'm glad that's all I saw.

 

[sausage]

Make you right. After the public dressing gown he got from Jose before the lockdown.

He's lazier than I thought if he can't even get outdoorsy clothes!

 

[oskathegobshite]

This is conformational biased nonsense at its very worst. Moreover, in respect to the sliding tackling, the poor guy can win...doenst make the table he's called lazy and with a poor attitude...makes the tackle and he's called unfit. Lamela does that and he's a hero, Dier does it and he's a leader etc etc.

Some of our fans....

Whenever he comes on I basically just watch him rather than the game because I'm desperate to see the player we paid all that money for. There have been times where you can almost see the quality but I am yet to be convinced and I can't understand how anyone is to be honest

I also noticed the tired slide tackle along with him giving the ball away several times and having a mini strop to himself before remembering he is meant to try and win it back

On top of that he was fucking blowing - how can he still not be fit? It's unprofessional

I really hope he comes good but I am not seeing what others are seeing at all and I cannot believe people are calling for him to start in the condition he is in

 

[Drink!Drink!]

George Graham with Rebrov team?

Like watching Brazil ’82 compared to this lot

 

[Wizzy77]

I managed to see the extra time played out and I'm glad that's all I saw.

Lucky you!!!!

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Don’t let the champions league final gloss over the fact that we had been woeful under poch for a long time. We got to the champions league final through luck rather than playing well.

Moments of luck which most teams will need going through a tournament. Do you think we’re playing anywhere close to the Dortmund performance, Man City away, Ajax away. Even Palace at home this year when Poch was on his way out was a lot better than anything since.

 

[emiley heskey]

Loan Ndombele to barca and get Coutinho and Rakitic on Loan from Barca ... Atleast Coutinho can score goals out of nothing ...

 

[stormfly]

Had to go out at ht so just checked on the score now! Another clean sheet!!! Get in lads!!! Master Jose has made the defence water tight and now can move on to the attack. (Bring on the rainbows).

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I think Bournemouth was very lucky tonight
With the fact that the opponent was Tottenham

 

[stormfly]

Spot on.

The defensive structure has been coached. There has clearly been no attention at all on what to do when we have the ball. It is a complete shambles.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here but I actually think Jose doesn’t want to coach the attack. I think he is giving them the freedom to react to certain situations and use their intelligence. The problem is they are either too used to being over coached or not very intelligent.

 

[arunspurs]

Bournemouth surprisingly did not attack today & happy to sit back. Jose acknowledged same post game . I guess he or team had no answer when Bournemouth changed their intent that way.

 

[UbeAstard]

Like watching Brazil ’82 compared to this lot

I should have said George Graham team with little forward man falling over if anyone came near, does that refresh?

 

[wirE]

Unacceptable to draw against a team facing relegation. We haven’t taken fewer points since 10/11 season and then we ended fifth!

 

[belsunz]

I managed to see the extra time played out and I'm glad that's all I saw.

haven’t even bothered watching our last two games. Honestly and as much as it pains me to say, i am past caring at the moment.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Well now we have seen what Jose can do with three months preparation. Solid gold

 

[makeveli]

Levy is fully to blame not investing in poch , let’s see what he does with Jose the mans a joke , Greta we have stadium no cl means no extra revenue

 

[sausage]

Levy is fully to blame not investing in poch , let’s see what he does with Jose the mans a joke , Greta we have stadium no cl means no extra revenue

Tbf, giving Poch mega money got him sacked.
Giving him nothing got him to the CL.

It's a Parapoch.