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SpursSince1980

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I want to give AVB a chance. It's shameful of the fans and punditry to push for his ouster so soon. And if the players are having a hard time adjusting, get over it. Your professional, act that way. New schemes, tactics, personalities, whatever are no excuse for being guileless, sloppy and spineless. Sorry, but that is on the players to buck it up. (I'm talking to you, Lennon, BAE, and Bale).

That's not to say that AVB is totally without fault. Bottom line is, be needs to show faith in his players by being bold. Playing two defensive midfielders sends the wrong message... it implies lack of faith, it implies fear. He needs to be brave in his next selection. Be bold. And the players may pull the their thumbs from their collective over paid asses and act accordingly.

Just gotta be bold my friend.... once more into the breach and all that...
 

rez9000

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I want to give AVB a chance. It's shameful of the fans and punditry to push for his ouster so soon. And if the players are having a hard time adjusting, get over it. Your professional, act that way. New schemes, tactics, personalities, whatever are no excuse for being guileless, sloppy and spineless. Sorry, but that is on the players to buck it up. (I'm talking to you, Lennon, BAE, and Bale).

That's not to say that AVB is totally without fault. Bottom line is, be needs to show faith in his players by being bold. Playing two defensive midfielders sends the wrong message... it implies lack of faith, it implies fear. He needs to be brave in his next selection. Be bold. And the players may pull the their thumbs from their collective over paid asses and act accordingly.

Just gotta be bold my friend.... once more into the breach and all that...
I agree with the sentiments of keeping faith.

I wouldn't say however, that the players have any problems other than they need time to get used to a new system. We all know that for players football is a confidence game and until they are confident in the new system, we're going to have problems.

As for the specific tactics employed, I always believe that trying to analyse it is a fool's game, because unless we're actually in there doing it, we simply can't know what the manager knows.

My view is that this is a bit of a football disease of the modern era - the idea that anyone can be a pundit. I'm not directing this at you jeremy - for all I know you may be one of the very few tactical geniuses out there.

But my vies is that if someone is that good at analysing tactics, how come they're not out there doing it? Surely being that good means that they would have their pick of the jobs.

I definitely agree that we need to keep the faith but I don't think there's anything wrong with the players or the tactics that time cannot fix (hence the 'Like' rating, rather than the 'Agree' one).
 

hodsgod

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It takes time to get used to a new system, new manager, new players and new system.

I don't know how many months it is going to take, but we have quality players and they wil,s tart performing.
 

Harry_Snatch

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I agree with the sentiments of keeping faith.

I wouldn't say however, that the players have any problems other than they need time to get used to a new system. We all know that for players football is a confidence game and until they are confident in the new system, we're going to have problems.

As for the specific tactics employed, I always believe that trying to analyse it is a fool's game, because unless we're actually in there doing it, we simply can't know what the manager knows.

My view is that this is a bit of a football disease of the modern era - the idea that anyone can be a pundit. I'm not directing this at you jeremy - for all I know you may be one of the very few tactical geniuses out there.

But my vies is that if someone is that good at analysing tactics, how come they're not out there doing it? Surely being that good means that they would have their pick of the jobs.

I definitely agree that we need to keep the faith but I don't think there's anything wrong with the players or the tactics that time cannot fix (hence the 'Like' rating, rather than the 'Agree' one).
 

tony0379

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Im positive, once all the players are familiar with his system we'll be fine
 

Sandro Henry

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New coach, new tactics, new players and we haven't started a game with our strongest lineup. None of us (including the media) have anything on AVB yet.

I just hope that he can get the players to understand that it's going to be difficult to get all these pieces to gel. You can see in the difference between the West Brom start and the Norwich start that complacency that has started to creep into the team. AVB's number one goal should be combating this by getting his players to believe in his project.
 

lillywhites61

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Have to agree, he needs to put his stamp on things, it's almost like he isn't sure of it and is trying to play safe. But that actually makes us weaker. And the fact he doesn't have the team he wants yet fully fit or available. The next game should show what we are really about hopefully
 

kdspur

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if he is been bold he is certainly going about it the wrong way.. if rumours are to be believed he wanted anderson over dembele. he is playing defoe up fron on his own, plays 2 defensive midfielder agaianst bottom of the table teams at home, handing initative back to teams when we score by taking off strikers when we take lead , after fulham beat norwich 5 nil surely his scouting department and his plonker assistant who spies on teams we play must have surely seen that dembele took norwich apart during that match the week before - his answer bench dembele and oonly bring him on at half time,,,, the guy is pissing against the wind and when you take in that fact all this guff about him been determinded to turn over a new leaf and show a real determination to prove doubters wrong i find it absolutley mindblogging some of the above decisions already....

we were and have been an absolute clusterfuck all season so far. nervous, not sharp enough , no imagination and enthuasium, no coehesion and movement , tactically all over shop and relying on a 41 yr old goalkeeper to keep us in games... and the fact he said we played well in 2 games and deserved more kinda sums up all there is to know what avb is about.. clueless.. the boo's will only get worse

oh and i forgot about how when we scored against west brom he wanted to bring on a 4th sub.... laughable!
 

StartingPrice

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New coach, new tactics, new players and we haven't started a game with our strongest lineup. None of us (including the media) have anything on AVB yet.

I just hope that he can get the players to understand that it's going to be difficult to get all these pieces to gel. You can see in the difference between the West Brom start and the Norwich start that complacency that has started to creep into the team. AVB's number one goal should be combating this by getting his players to believe in his project.

Nothing like - I don't think anyone should be getting too flustered until we see that...and a fair few times, too.
 

Jamturk

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if he is been bold he is certainly going about it the wrong way.. if rumours are to be believed he wanted anderson over dembele. he is playing defoe up fron on his own, plays 2 defensive midfielder agaianst bottom of the table teams at home, handing initative back to teams when we score by taking off strikers when we take lead , after fulham beat norwich 5 nil surely his scouting department and his plonker assistant who spies on teams we play must have surely seen that dembele took norwich apart during that match the week before - his answer bench dembele and oonly bring him on at half time,,,, the guy is pissing against the wind and when you take in that fact all this guff about him been determinded to turn over a new leaf and show a real determination to prove doubters wrong i find it absolutley mindblogging some of the above decisions already....

we were and have been an absolute clusterfuck all season so far. nervous, not sharp enough , no imagination and enthuasium, no coehesion and movement , tactically all over shop and relying on a 41 yr old goalkeeper to keep us in games... and the fact he said we played well in 2 games and deserved more kinda sums up all there is to know what avb is about.. clueless.. the boo's will only get worse

oh and i forgot about how when we scored against west brom he wanted to bring on a 4th sub.... laughable!
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I don't know what games you've been watching, but as far as I'm concerned we did play well in the 1st 2 games and therefore he kept faith in the team that played in them 2 games.
 

Azazello

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Aug 15, 2009
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The thing that strikes me about AVB is that he's a bit long winded.

It's clearly too early to write him off though and I am hopeful that we will be a formidable side once the dust has settled on the window's ins and outs, and AVB gets the team doing what he wants. I was more encouraged than not by our performances against WBA and Newcastle so I believe that he can, but understand the very real concerns that he (and the players) might not be able to pull it off. That said, my AVB-o-meter is pointing more in the direction of Chelsea than Porto at the moment.

The EPL's a tough place to learn your trade as a manager/coach - I suspect the team will need very careful handling with all the changes we've seen.

Systems and projects are all very well but AVB must find a way of uniting the team around him.
 

kdspur

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I don't know what games you've been watching, but as far as I'm concerned we did play well in the 1st 2 games and therefore he kept faith in the team that played in them 2 games.

ive been watching all 3 games and if we played well we would have won.. the fact we cant beat norwich and west brom at home and not only that we were lucky to not have taking hidings in both matches which we really should have says otherwise

against newcastle we done absolutely fuck all.. we might have dominated possession but done nothing with that ball really. we made couple of chnace in first half but cud not take them. in second half when we get a goal we give them a easy winner with some comical child like defending...

i think you need to read my message again on some of the decison making of avb.... i mean ffs fulham destroyed norwich the week before and dembele was raved about , destroying norwich and fact a norwich player johnson has just come out and said norwich players cud not believe dembele did not start says it all...

he brought some portuguese lad to analyse teams we play and he scouts them.. what fucking game was he watching last week when dembele and fulham ran the show? answer was to bench him and play a defensive midfielder in his place!! clueless and silly decisions like this will get the man the sack... its only matter of time. fact i hear rumours he wanted anderson over dembele is worrying... i really hope that is bullshit
 

kaz Hirai

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scott parker will be back next month, he does such a good job of breaking things up, and a more involved Adebayor should get us going. Those 2 were the catalysts for our great form in the 1st half of last season. Though we miss him, luka didnt have the greatest season
 

mrlilywhite

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if I am honest I don't know A lot at all about avb, People say how much of a good tactician he is and I can`t say that he has given me any proof of that, From his time at Chelsea, All I saw was a team in disarray that shoved two fingers up at their manager and that is the thing that I do get from him, Is that he comes across as bit a sheepish and someone who might not have the balls to let rip at the players and that is a big fear for me, Losing control of the dressing room is the last action you see as a manager and with the press and some quarters of the fans already starting to moan and groan, One has to wonder just how long this will be before it starts setting in the nerves of players. On Saturday there seemed to be an air of anxiety about and I noticed that in the frustrations of gylfi and the lane was pretty much subdued apart from the odd echo of boo`s.

I hope Avb can really make it at Spurs and prove the many doubters wrong, But does he have the character for the fight. It`s funny how we have polar opposites of managers, In Redknapp we had a manager who could get the best out of a player by giving him a cuddle, Yet when it came to the tactical side of it, He kept it all very basic, No intricate formations or asking a player to do something he didnt normally do and for the most part it worked bloody well. Now we have Avb, who has been labelled as the next Mourinho, Tactically speaking but is not noted for his arm around the player approach, Can`t have the best of both worlds can you eh, But my belief is that you need both of these to succeed at a club like ours.

I like Avb from what I have seen or perhaps that is me feeling sorry for the guy after the way he was shafted at Chelsea and how the media hanged on every word that Terry and co let out about him, I don`t want to feel sorry for him though, I want to stand and applaud him when he guides us to 4th in his 1st season, I want him to bring success to this club and then turn around and say to the doubters, I told ya so as Chelsea celebrate bringing in manager no 5 (tongue in cheek comment) in the space of two seasons. Whatever happens I am sure that Avb will do everything he can to bring us what we want and In turn let`s make him feel a little more welcome at his new home.

Remember your thoughts when we announced Harry after Juande got the boot, I for one feared the worst....How wrong was I..Let`s hope that Villas-Boas continues Harry`s good work!
 

Jamturk

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ive been watching all 3 games and if we played well we would have won.. the fact we cant beat norwich and west brom at home and not only that we were lucky to not have taking hidings in both matches which we really should have says otherwise

against newcastle we done absolutely fuck all.. we might have dominated possession but done nothing with that ball really. we made couple of chnace in first half but cud not take them. in second half when we get a goal we give them a easy winner with some comical child like defending...

i think you need to read my message again on some of the decison making of avb.... i mean ffs fulham destroyed norwich the week before and dembele was raved about , destroying norwich and fact a norwich player johnson has just come out and said norwich players cud not believe dembele did not start says it all...

he brought some portuguese lad to analyse teams we play and he scouts them.. what fucking game was he watching last week when dembele and fulham ran the show? answer was to bench him and play a defensive midfielder in his place!! clueless and silly decisions like this will get the man the sack... its only matter of time. fact i hear rumours he wanted anderson over dembele is worrying... i really hope that is bullshit

Of course, errors cost points and on the whole i pretty much agree with you. I was just pointing out what I think was AvB's train of thought. He played the faith route, give dues he changed it as quickly as he could have without embarrasing anyone by getting Dembele on at half time. We got the goal and he just wanted to get the win so tried to shore things up. 3 games 3 late and I mean late goals have killed us. In the Newcastle game when we went behind we played some great football and duly equalised.
 

Snarfalicious

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I think Parker coming back from injury will be enormous. He's exactly what we need right now; a calming, veteran presence in the midfield. I fucking hate watching Jake Livermore play right now. He looks like Jason Statham in Crank. He's all over the place, shoving attackers and flirting with yellow cards and bad fouls. He looks like the second he gets the ball he wants to send it long or simply dump it off. He's got no control on the ball whatsoever, and you could argue he lacks it off the ball as well.

Parker getting back to health will really allow us to solidify our midfield. I love Sandro, but at this point, I think he may be best saved as a late sub to solidify the defense. Parker should be the starter, Sandro can replace a guy like Siggy if we have the lead going into the last 20-30 minutes of a match. I'd love to see us go between a midfield trio of Dembele/Parker/Siggy to start and then to Sandro/Dembele/Parker if we have the lead late. That, to me, makes for a strong team that won't waiver in the last quarter of the match.
 

mrlilywhite

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Just look at Liverpool and how Rogers has struggled, More than what we have and yet there were quite a few of our fans hoping he was gonna replace Harry! Don`t get me wrong, I think Rogers is going to be a great manager for the bindippers, Though right now the numpties over on rawk would have you believe otherwise, I mean the scum did not even play that great toaday, Liverpool were cack...This is just a blip for us and once we get some stability going it WILL get better!!

If you think about it really, What are our main rivals likely to do? If I was honest I would have to say that City,Utd & the Chavs will be competing for the title and we will be fighting it out with the scum and that is it, And if they have a couple of injuries they will drop points quickly, Lets say Cazorla is out for 10 games? Who will be their creative spark then? Also they have to fight on two fronts, We can pretty much ignore the europa if we want.

We can do this and I think we will get Moutinho in Jan as well as a striker. COYS.
 
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