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spud

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I agree, but if that comment was made and it was black skin colour, it would be deemed racist and there would be outrage everywhere.

And on this occasion they said he is white so must be right which shows them to be a bit bigoted against white people tbh.
Because not every reference to skin colour is racist.

The comment he made was accusing the referee of being racist in favouring Kane because he's white. That might be wrong for any number of reasons, but it doesn't make it a racist comment.
If the remark was anything, it was a comment about how black people are treated differently from white people. It wasn't a racist slur against Kane and it wasn't accusing the ref of racism. By the yardstick that you're using then all of the BLM arguments about black people being treated differently from white people are also racist.

The bloke may be a tool, but - on this occasion at least - his remark wasn't racist.
 

Shadydan

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That's why they got Arteta so he can be their Poch, doesn't say much for their ambition though if they have a big stadium and can potentially pay players £300k a week yet they don't want to spend - The fact that Arteta is speaking out already and putting public pressure on them means that he knows they're not going to spend much, doesn't bode well for them.
 

Kingellesar

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Biggest issue they face is keeping Aubameyang. Lose him, you lose the biggest threat they have to getting back into the top 4. You always stand a chance when you have a striker who can score you 20+ a season. Lose him, big trouble. Can Lacazette step up? Doubtful imo.
 

rossdapep

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Biggest issue they face is keeping Aubameyang. Lose him, you lose the biggest threat they have to getting back into the top 4. You always stand a chance when you have a striker who can score you 20+ a season. Lose him, big trouble. Can Lacazette step up? Doubtful imo.
I've actually said for sometime thar selling Aubemeyang would be best for them long term.
Look at how they beat Liverpool last night.

PEA is a fantastic striker but...
1.) He's 31
2.) He's not the best number 9 which hurts them as he has to play on the left and he's not the best defensively.
3.) He's not the best in terms of linking up.


They could sell him and sign Thomas, Ceballos and a CB and that would give them a nice little foundation. Give the striker roles to Lacazette and Martinelli.

That's what Is do. Take the money and invest before it's too late and PEA has little value.
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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I've actually said for sometime thar selling Aubemeyang would be best for them long term.
Look at how they beat Liverpool last night.

PEA is a fantastic striker but...
1.) He's 31
2.) He's not the best number 9 which hurts them as he has to play on the left and he's not the best defensively.
3.) He's not the best in terms of linking up.


They could sell him and sign Thomas, Ceballos and a CB and that would give them a nice little foundation. Give the striker roles to Lacazette and Martinelli.

That's what Is do. Take the money and invest before it's too late and PEA has little value.

I don’t think anyone is going to want him. High wages and 31; Arsenal will panic and throw big wages at him, which will (hopefully) put a slight dent in the rest of their plans. Evolution not revolution this summer for them too.
 

Kingellesar

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May 2, 2005
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I've actually said for sometime thar selling Aubemeyang would be best for them long term.
Look at how they beat Liverpool last night.

PEA is a fantastic striker but...
1.) He's 31
2.) He's not the best number 9 which hurts them as he has to play on the left and he's not the best defensively.
3.) He's not the best in terms of linking up.


They could sell him and sign Thomas, Ceballos and a CB and that would give them a nice little foundation. Give the striker roles to Lacazette and Martinelli.

That's what Is do. Take the money and invest before it's too late and PEA has little value.

Long term I 100% agree with you...but short term, he is the only reason they are top half this season, without him, I don't see where the goals would come from. He is covered up for the fact they splashed £72m on a winger who would be better suited to the championship.

I think Lacazette could be the one but again, he has never really had a run at striker? Whether its form/injuries/out of position something just doesn't seem right there. I was worried when they bought him, thought he would go on to become a lot more prolific and dangerous than he has.
 

DJS

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Dec 9, 2006
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God they’ll probably win the bloom in’ FA Cup again and increase the gap further between number of times them and us have won it... :(
 

Laboog

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God they’ll probably win the bloom in’ FA Cup again and increase the gap further between number of times them and us have won it... :(
Who gives a shit? The past is the past, any fan that brags about something done over a year ago is an embarrassment in my mind. And I'm a Cardinals fan in baseball, which, for those who do not know means I am a fan of a team that has won a lot and wins often and my rival has won once trophy in 100 years. I only put that into context so nobody responded with "easy to say forget history when you don't win.."

Only this past year (current title holders) and the current year matter IMO. Anything past that is fun for current fans to look back on fondly but means nothing in the grand scheme. After a new team takes over the trophy and you are no longer the holders, it doesn't matter how many times you won.

Look at 2017, Arsenal won the FA cup and fans bragged and laughed, then two months later they were crying about not being in CL and not fighting for top 4 while Spurs were fighting for top 4. Did anyone bring the FA cup win up at that time? No, all that matters is if you win the league or are in the top 4 fight. That's what our aim needs to be. /rant

I will say, despite my hatred for their pathetic, annoying fans. Arsenal the team (players and Arteta) did a great job of winning against City. I thought against Liverpool they were extremely lucky with the goals handed to them but against City they had a clear game plan and did it well. City missed clear chances but for the most part KDB was held in check and they connected on the counter-attacks they did create.
 

riggi

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Who gives a shit? The past is the past, any fan that brags about something done over a year ago is an embarrassment in my mind. And I'm a Cardinals fan in baseball, which, for those who do not know means I am a fan of a team that has won a lot and wins often and my rival has won once trophy in 100 years. I only put that into context so nobody responded with "easy to say forget history when you don't win.."

Only this past year (current title holders) and the current year matter IMO. Anything past that is fun for current fans to look back on fondly but means nothing in the grand scheme. After a new team takes over the trophy and you are no longer the holders, it doesn't matter how many times you won.

Look at 2017, Arsenal won the FA cup and fans bragged and laughed, then two months later they were crying about not being in CL and not fighting for top 4 while Spurs were fighting for top 4. Did anyone bring the FA cup win up at that time? No, all that matters is if you win the league or are in the top 4 fight. That's what our aim needs to be. /rant

I will say, despite my hatred for their pathetic, annoying fans. Arsenal the team (players and Arteta) did a great job of winning against City. I thought against Liverpool they were extremely lucky with the goals handed to them but against City they had a clear game plan and did it well. City missed clear chances but for the most part KDB was held in check and they connected on the counter-attacks they did create.

I Disagree.
 

DJS

A hoonter must hoont
Dec 9, 2006
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Who gives a shit? The past is the past, any fan that brags about something done over a year ago is an embarrassment in my mind. And I'm a Cardinals fan in baseball, which, for those who do not know means I am a fan of a team that has won a lot and wins often and my rival has won once trophy in 100 years. I only put that into context so nobody responded with "easy to say forget history when you don't win.."

Only this past year (current title holders) and the current year matter IMO. Anything past that is fun for current fans to look back on fondly but means nothing in the grand scheme. After a new team takes over the trophy and you are no longer the holders, it doesn't matter how many times you won.

Look at 2017, Arsenal won the FA cup and fans bragged and laughed, then two months later they were crying about not being in CL and not fighting for top 4 while Spurs were fighting for top 4. Did anyone bring the FA cup win up at that time? No, all that matters is if you win the league or are in the top 4 fight. That's what our aim needs to be. /rant

I will say, despite my hatred for their pathetic, annoying fans. Arsenal the team (players and Arteta) did a great job of winning against City. I thought against Liverpool they were extremely lucky with the goals handed to them but against City they had a clear game plan and did it well. City missed clear chances but for the most part KDB was held in check and they connected on the counter-attacks they did create.

Many (many) years ago I was quite proud when we had won the FA cup 8 times and were seen as an FA Cup team.

To see a Arsenal piss all over that does bother me and is part of having a football rivalry, we need to start winning the FA cup again!
 
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Looks like a broken man

He's still in denial isn't he? He's claiming it was just a matter of unfortunate timing.

I feel sorry for him because it's never nice to see anyone struggling like this, but he really needs to be honest with himself if he wants to move on.

Sorry but fuck him (bear with me). You can tell that he isn't sorry because his apology doesn't even convey understanding "I offended Son and Spurs fans" - so as far as he's concerned, the only thing that was wrong was because the targets of his remark were offended. Not people in general, not fans of other clubs, not an entire continent (never mind variations of ethnicity). Beyond all that, racism isn't okay if no-one is offended, so "I apologise for offending" is ridiculous - it should be "I apologise for saying something offensive". Maybe a small nuance, but it's a big difference.

I would normally give someone the benefit of doubt on this, because saying something offensive isn't the same as being offensive. When I was young there were names given to Chinese Takeways and Corner Shops that are offensive, but commonplace back in the 80's and 90's. While they were not okay, it wasn't really seen as such so there was often no malice is saying it (e.g. the person saying the word didn't mean offence). Sometimes those definitions get swept to the back of someones head and they might say "I'm off to the [insert derogatory shop name]" without maybe either thinking about it or realising the nature of it. For example, plenty don't understand why "DVD" would be offensive, so if they witnessed others calling a player that and recycled it, they might have no realisation of the connotation involve. People regularly 'join in' with things they don't understand in an attempt to be seen as accepted or part of a 'group', and don't always understand what they're doing.

In this case, however, he could easily have explained something like that "I didn't really understand why it was offensive, and didn't make that connection, but now it's been explained I'm horrified and embarrassed" (etc). Instead, it comes across that he still doesn't really understand why someone would be offended, much like when I've explained to people before that saying "coloured" isn't acceptable but they respond with "I don't see the problem".

Depression is something personal to me and of course I empathise, but I don't think people should be excused for their behaviour because of it. It's a shame that it's happened as he seemed like a nice guy, but his reaction to it all has been severely underwhelming.

The one positive is that "high-profile" (in a niche, no less) he-said-this-now-he's-lost-his-job things are actually a positive step towards a sort of cognitive process of pushing that kind of casual racism out of football, hopefully.
 
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bubble07

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They are starting to really piss me off. Thought us beating them would have seen them sink and lose to liv and city.
 
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