Arkadiusz Milik

[Mr Pink]

Get Danny Ings in.

 

[JayB]

Llorente was on £100k/week

Which is about half of what Chelsea are paying Werner. Llorente was (evidently) the best player we were able to recruit on those wages. There's a reason for that, and it's because out-and-out strikers know they'll be making 10-15 appearances tops. We can't change that unless we sell Kane, which presumably no one wants to do, so we have to work around the problem.

 

[emiley heskey]

Which is about half of what Chelsea are paying Werner. Llorente was (evidently) the best player we were able to recruit on those wages. There's a reason for that, and it's because out-and-out strikers know they'll be making 10-15 appearances tops. We can't change that unless we sell Kane, which presumably no one wants to do, so we have to work around the problem.

Llorente had 36 appearance alone in EPL during his two year stint at the club. Add domestic cups and UCL appearances and it's more... Also he was injured couple of times

 

[JayB]

Llorente had 36 appearance alone in EPL during his two year stint at the club. Add domestic cups and UCL appearances and it's more... Also he was injured couple of times

A great deal of those appearances were as a substitute. Llorente played a grand total of 1365 minutes of PL and CL football for us at the club, divided by 90 that's the equivalent of 15 full matches, plus domestic cups, over two seasons. During that time there were periods where both Kane and Son were injured, which is fairly rare. No player who wants to be in contention for national team selection is going to accept that, full stop.

 

[ClintEastwould]

I think we fail to brief strikers how will we use them when they come to the club. They will play with Kane, they will play when Kane not playing.. Why Werner going to chelsea despite they are having a veteran striker like Giroud, upcoming english striker like Tammy and also have 3 quality goalscoring wingers like willian/pulisic/Hakim? Why Werner going there and we don't even get an extra number 9 where its proven we only have two genuine goalscorers(kane and son) at the club?

Well because Werner is miles ahead of both and is probably guaranteed a starting spot. Giroud is happy to get minutes and one half good season from Tammy guarantees nothing yet.

 

[JayB]

Well because Werner is miles ahead of both and is probably guaranteed a starting spot. Giroud is happy to get minutes and one half good season from Tammy guarantees nothing yet.

What's been most incredible about this exchange is that we have a host of posters comparing Harry Kane to the likes of Defoe, Pavlyuchenko, Adebayor, a 33-year old Giroud, and Tammy Abraham.

It shouldn't even have to be explained that it's a completely different dynamic, genuinely a completely different universe, for a player considering competing against Kane as opposed to competing against the rest of that lot.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I think we fail to brief strikers how will we use them when they come to the club. They will play with Kane, they will play when Kane not playing.. Why Werner going to chelsea despite they are having a veteran striker like Giroud, upcoming english striker like Tammy and also have 3 quality goalscoring wingers like willian/pulisic/Hakim? Why Werner going there and we don't even get an extra number 9 where its proven we only have two genuine goalscorers(kane and son) at the club?

Are you seriously comparing Werner going to Chelsea to compete with Giroud and Abraham as equivalent to a striker coming here to compete with Kane?

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

Very controversial take here but does anybody think that we are not seen by these potential 2nd strikers as a club big enough for them to be a non starter for? Look at Gabriel Jesus for example, he signed for City knowing Kun Aguero was there and he’d have his spots but wouldn’t be first choice but could justify it in his mind - same with Chelsea players (signing Pulisic, Werner, Ziyech while having Abraham, Willian and others). I could be way off base but that’s a thought ive been having watching City or United or Liverpool and the depth they have at certain positions even though they have sure fire starters there already.

 

[Yiddo100]

Very controversial take here but does anybody think that we are not seen by these potential 2nd strikers as a club big enough for them to be a non starter for? Look at Gabriel Jesus for example, he signed for City knowing Kun Aguero was there and he’d have his spots but wouldn’t be first choice but could justify it in his mind - same with Chelsea players (signing Pulisic, Werner, Ziyech while having Abraham, Willian and others). I could be way off base but that’s a thought ive been having watching City or United or Liverpool and the depth they have at certain positions even though they have sure fire starters there already.

Wouldn’t say liverpool have great strength in depth tbh

 

[DiVaio]

3 or 4 years ago we scouted werner but werner declined and media told werner won't get much playing time due to Kane. Now he is going to a team that has giroud/tammy/Mitchy batshuyai as number 9, pulisic/willian/hakim ziyech as their wingers. Says it all which club has more ambition

Or Werner just improved massively? Now he's going to Chelsea where he will be main striker

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

Wouldn’t say liverpool have great strength in depth tbh

they signed oxlaide chamberlain, naby keita and Fabinho despite already having Henderson, Wijnaldum and at the time, Milner was playing a lot + Lallana as a somewhat major signing at the time.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

 

[daryl hannah]

There's one person responsible.

#BrokenRecord.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Because, again, we don't pay City or Chelsea wages. Werner is on wages that approach our top earner. Do you expect us to give the third biggest contract at the club to a backup?

Moreover, Abraham is not as firmly established as undroppable for Chelsea as Kane is for us, and Werner can play alongside him as a WF which is exactly what I'm suggesting we target. This has been a problem for us for years. It's not simply going to disappear, we've got to work around it.

I think its crucial we get a striker with hold up play, if he has pace that allows him to play alongside Kane late in games all the better.

 

[mr ashley]

The problem with this argument about players not wanting to play second fiddle to Kane (which comes from agents- no one else), is that it’s used as a bargaining tool for more wages.
And we can see this by understanding how promising players like Gabriel Jesus ended up at City ( playing second fiddle to Aguero no less!), and why Werner was enticed to Chelsea. Wages!

But, both cases also give an idea behind the motivation of each player ( and, no doubt, the challenge set by the manger at the time).
Either a: Join us, learn how to play in our system, eventually you will become our main man (Jesus)
Or
B) Competition for places is tough. This is a chance to prove yourself at the top level, and become our main man. (Werner).

Top players have the self belief to displace the status quo, or force the manager to find a way to get them in the team. Cavani/ Mbappe is a good example at PSG. Martial and Rashford at Utd is another example. They both play, and they both push each other on for fear of being sub.

As poch said, you get paid to train, getting selected is the reward for your efforts.
Don’t fall for the agent’s tricks!

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

Does anyone think that just one time it would be lovely to see us linked with a player without the words: “they face a tough battle with...” accompanying it?

If I see that we’re in a battle with West Ham I think the player is not good enough.If I see we’re in a battle with Man City I think we can’t afford him

 

[razzmaster]

A great deal of those appearances were as a substitute. Llorente played a grand total of 1365 minutes of PL and CL football for us at the club, divided by 90 that's the equivalent of 15 full matches, plus domestic cups, over two seasons. During that time there were periods where both Kane and Son were injured, which is fairly rare. No player who wants to be in contention for national team selection is going to accept that, full stop.

I've got so many posters on ignore, this thread has become pretty much just you talking to yourself

 

[GetSpurredOn]

I think we either go down the Llorente route again, having an older player less demanding of minutes but still able to continue, which it appears Dzyuba could be the option, as a free transfer, at a point in his career where he may see a bit part at Sours still as a step up from the Russian League. Oh, and as a Mendes player, he’ll go where Mendes tells him.
Or we go for another ‘Son’ type player. Playing a front 3, if we do stick with system played against Everton, then having two of the wider forwards who could also play central, means they can get minutes in the pitch even when not as a focal No9 type forward, stay sharp, and fill in centrally when needed. We tried it with Moura, but the player needs more physicality.
Milik could be, but equally Schick could be worth a look, both naturally left footed so could play off the right in the same way Son does from the left, but have the size and presence to play centrally. Probably could do some kind of exchange deal for Lamela or Moura.
There are others out there. Guirassy of Amiens, just relegated, so could be a deal to be done, size, pace, skill and decent goal return last year in a struggling team.

 

[rossdapep]

I think we either go down the Llorente route again, which it appears Dzyuba could be the option, free transfer, at a point in his career where he may see a bit part at Sours still as a step up from the Russian League. Oh, and as a Mendes player, he’ll go where Mendes tells him.
Or we go for another ‘Son’ type player. Playing a front 3, if we do stick with system played against Everton, then having two of the wider forwards who could also play central, means they can get minutes in the pitch even when not as a focal No9 type forward, stay sharp, and fill in centrally when needed. We tried it with Moura, but the player needs more physicality.
Milik could be, but equally Schick could be worth a look, both naturally left footed so could play off the right in the same way Son does from the left, but have the size and presence to play centrally. Probably could do some kind of exchange deal for Lamela or Moura.

I'd like Schick. Any idea why he fell out of favour at Roma? He was a Monchi buy right?

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Looks like he didn’t manage to replicate his form from Sampdoria once he went to Roma. Better return at RBL last year on loan though, and the Bundesliga is probably closer to our league than Serie A in terms of physical demand.