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CornerPinDreamer

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For what it's worth my money is on Carlisle Group staging an electronic fire, caused by a laptop that just happens to burn images of Abramovich, Wenger, and the head honchos of the FA in a compromising position with the Archway owners onto the wall...date stamped.

That bunch don't do things by halves. I can imagine the conversation now...

Levy: "Our lives would be so much easier if the place would just burn to the ground."

Carlisle Group: "Understood."

Levy: "It was a joke."

Carlisle Group: "suuuuree, A joke, You're a funny guy. We like funny guys here." (whispers...."got Photoshop and the keys we made? You know what to do.")

s'not a joke.. The Carlyle Group has started wars to make money. burning down archway isn;t beyond them :oldman:
 

DiscoD1882

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not really to do with this thread but don't know if people remember when alexandra palace was sold, because it was in such a bad state of repair and would cost millions to make it all good that they had to sell for one pound and a very short period later it burnt down, now I am no detective but that was one that really stank of insurance fraud
Dodgy derelict pub down the road from me mysteriously burnt down after the planning permission to turn it into houses was turned down. 2 years later it is now houses. These things arent isolated events.
 

grandadgarry

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Dodgy derelict pub down the road from me mysteriously burnt down after the planning permission to turn it into houses was turned down. 2 years later it is now houses. These things arent isolated events.
yeah agree I think Insurance companies expect it to happen and charge premiums to suit, keep a sharp eye on said policies but at the end of the day its so hard to prove that the arson ,if thats what it is is down to the policy holder or an act of wanton vandalism
 

SpurSince57

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I guess even if they have CCTV footage of someone wearing a Spurs scarf chucking a molotov cocktail there's no saying its a Spurs fan, all comes down to whether it was set from inside or out, if its outside they'll probbaly never know.

I will state with some confidence that if it was set from inside it would have to have been a professional job. That factory's quite a little fortress (just getting over the fence without a ladder would be beyond many people). Those shutters on the ground floor windows are seriously heavy-duty, and the place is bound to have been alarmed. The only way Joe Bloke could have done it would have been a petrol bomb through one of the first-floor windows on the street side.
 

Stoof

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I suppose it's worth remembering that insurance firms specifically hire the best people to nitpick through claims to try and reject them.

Just to confirm that's an industry that provides a service that specifically hires people to make sure that service is never provided. Funny ol' game.

Is it not the point that they can insure it for whatever they want - the premium will simply reflect that? It has no fixed value? I could insure my face for accidental damage for £400m. I expect my premium would probably be £600m.

GREAT FACE.
 

weststandvoice

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Maybe I'm wrong, but from my limited experience working in the insurance industry, this has fraud written all over it. I've seen the same scenario (although maybe not on this level) a million times before, and I wouldn't give these people the time of day.

Here is how it works:

1) Find a bullshit reason to inflate the value of your resource. (I.e. it may only be a £500k property but the big football team wants to buy it so it should be worth £500M).

2) Pull out before the insurance company have a reason to deflate the value of the resource you have insured and thus pay you less money (I.e. court case forcing you to sell to the big football club).

3) Burn the property and take the insurance money based upon your own valuation and strike it rich

Unfortunately (Sorry fortunately), this never works. Funnily enough, big insurance firms, who hire lots of top notch lawyers, do not generally fall into such easy traps. The insurance companies investigators will do a far more thorough job than the police as they have money on it. Any insurance investigator who looks into this will smell a rat a mile away.

Don't get me wrong, it may be a rogue Spurs fan, but this scenario fills the A-Z of insurance con jobs.



You lost me at limited experience - the NPD will have zero influence on the value of the bloody tram shed that caught fire you nitwit, it's THE LAND that Spurs want :banghead:
 

Real_madyidd

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I suppose it's worth remembering that insurance firms specifically hire the best people to nitpick through claims to try and reject them.

Just to confirm that's an industry that provides a service that specifically hires people to make sure that service is never provided. Funny ol' game.

Not actually true at all. There are certain things that are not covered and are not insurable, for example wear and tear. They are just the costs associated with owning anything. Insurance companies very rarely fully reject claims, and for the average non sophisticated consumer who has insurance a claim would only be fully rejected in the event of fraud or you being a complete fucking idiot.
 

Monkey Bastard Hands

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This will be an insurance matter.

If the owners of sheet metal are insured properly and if they want to stay at the premises (which sounds like they do)


The insurers will get the premises back to its state before the loss and reimburse any loss of earning including wages of employees.

Worst case scenario is that this will lead to another lengthy delay in the new stadium process.

Only spurs!!

Most property insurance policies allow for the Insured to repair or reinstate either at the original site, or elsewhere if appropriate. If the latter, reimbursement is usually on an actual cash value basis, ie simply the value of the building at the time of the loss. Insurers also have to comply with any laws and codes from the authorities which in this case would highly likely mean that they can't repair the current building due to the CPO. Therefore, the owners would probably just get a cash payout for the value of the building.

Insurance investigators work on a target based commission scheme. The more claims they deny, the higher they get paid. The bigger the case, the more they get paid. If they smell a rat (and if I can smell a rat, they will), they will pull out all the stops to investigate the case. If this company are claiming for the amount they were trying to get off of the club, the investigators(who are usually ex cops) will bring in all the talent they need (usually more ex cops), to get their bonus.

I will re-iterate again, I only briefly worked in insurance and certainly not on this level. But from my experience, when places burn before a law case is about to go against them, the top insurance people usually take over. If it looks suspicious to me, you can imagine how it looks to the real vet guys...

Sorry, but this is total rubbish! Insurers have a bad rep but it's nothing like you're saying here. In today's climate you simply can't go out and look to deny a claim; it's in breach of practically every law, act, and regulation out there and if any Insurer is found to do it they will receive hefty penalties. Claims people aren't paid on commission like this. If they smell a rat, they will investigate - you're right, but that's simply common sense and only valid claims will be paid. Arson would be covered under most policies unless it's someone associated with the Insured who can be proven to have done it, so naturally an investigation will happen.

Would Archways insurance pay to have the building restored? The CPO have already given them notice and it's only a matter of time before they have to close anyway. Surely there's no point rebuilding?

Agreed, see my comment above about how Insurers would respond. In this instance due to the CPO (essentially an order from the authorities) the Insured would not be able to repair the building on the site and therefore have to reinstate elsewhere. In this instance most insurance policies will only pay out the value of the building at the time, and not the entire cost to rebuild elsewhere.

I suppose it's worth remembering that insurance firms specifically hire the best people to nitpick through claims to try and reject them.

Just to confirm that's an industry that provides a service that specifically hires people to make sure that service is never provided. Funny ol' game.

Is it not the point that they can insure it for whatever they want - the premium will simply reflect that? It has no fixed value? I could insure my face for accidental damage for £400m. I expect my premium would probably be £600m.

GREAT FACE.

Hmm, no. As I said in my comment above Insurance companies can't do this. Maybe a couple of decades ago when it was unregulated, but now there are too many rules, regulations, and laws which simply don't allow this to happen. I am a Claims Manager for a global Insurance firm and if I knew of anyone who acts like this, I would report them as not only would they be in breach of practically every guideline and regulation, the Insurer would also face massive fines.

The value of the insurance would have to reflect a reasonable value of the building and other assets that the insured have; they would have to provide a schedule of all properties and assets to the Insurer before they can even get a quote, and if a little place in Tottenham was listed as $600m it would raise a few eyebrows for sure!
 

worcestersauce

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Not actually true at all. There are certain things that are not covered and are not insurable, for example wear and tear. They are just the costs associated with owning anything. Insurance companies very rarely fully reject claims, and for the average non sophisticated consumer who has insurance a claim would only be fully rejected in the event of fraud or you being a complete fucking idiot.
What if you are a complete fucking idiot with a justifiable claim?
 

Wellspurs

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TE="worcestersauce, post: 4346350, member: 7358"]What if you are a complete fucking idiot with a justifiable claim?[/QUOTE]
Let's face it they probably come into that category for turning down all the generous offers from the club?
 

IanC

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I will state with some confidence that if it was set from inside it would have to have been a professional job. That factory's quite a little fortress (just getting over the fence without a ladder would be beyond many people). Those shutters on the ground floor windows are seriously heavy-duty, and the place is bound to have been alarmed. The only way Joe Bloke could have done it would have been a petrol bomb through one of the first-floor windows on the street side.

The old bill would like to talk to you for having far too much knowledge of the building.
 

Mustard

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Since last is there any 'new' news?


Just had some itk.

A plumber just came round to fix some pipes of mine. As he was leaving he asked had I heard about the fire ( I'm wearing my spurs hoody ) and I said of course. He said his best mate lives next door to one of the brothers and knows they were up to their eyeballs in debt.

The plumber isn't a spurs fan or even a football fan but knows from his mate and his old man who used to be in the Catering business that archway has been losing money for years.

When I mentioned the CPO was ours in two months anyway he was amazed then laughed. No accusations of course but I think a crazed spurs fan may be responsible for this. Just not a crazed spurs fan with the stadium as his m.o.
 

Gb160

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Just had some itk.

A plumber just came round to fix some pipes of mine. As he was leaving he asked had I heard about the fire ( I'm wearing my spurs hoody ) and I said of course. He said his best mate lives next door to one of the brothers and knows they were up to their eyeballs in debt.

The plumber isn't a spurs fan or even a football fan but knows from his mate and his old man who used to be in the Catering business that archway has been losing money for years.

When I mentioned the CPO was ours in two months anyway he was amazed then laughed. No accusations of course but I think a crazed spurs fan may be responsible for this. Just not a crazed spurs fan with the stadium as his m.o.
god i love this sort of info !
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Just had some itk.

A plumber just came round to fix some pipes of mine. As he was leaving he asked had I heard about the fire ( I'm wearing my spurs hoody ) and I said of course. He said his best mate lives next door to one of the brothers and knows they were up to their eyeballs in debt.

The plumber isn't a spurs fan or even a football fan but knows from his mate and his old man who used to be in the Catering business that archway has been losing money for years.

When I mentioned the CPO was ours in two months anyway he was amazed then laughed. No accusations of course but I think a crazed spurs fan may be responsible for this. Just not a crazed spurs fan with the stadium as his m.o.

Probably a load of rubbish, but I do like this sort of info.
 

eddiev14

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Did anyone else
Just had some itk.

A plumber just came round to fix some pipes of mine. As he was leaving he asked had I heard about the fire ( I'm wearing my spurs hoody ) and I said of course. He said his best mate lives next door to one of the brothers and knows they were up to their eyeballs in debt.

The plumber isn't a spurs fan or even a football fan but knows from his mate and his old man who used to be in the Catering business that archway has been losing money for years.

When I mentioned the CPO was ours in two months anyway he was amazed then laughed. No accusations of course but I think a crazed spurs fan may be responsible for this. Just not a crazed spurs fan with the stadium as his m.o.

Did anyone else picture the mentally unstable plumber from Peep Show whilst reading this?! :)
 

weststandvoice

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I will state with some confidence that if it was set from inside it would have to have been a professional job. That factory's quite a little fortress (just getting over the fence without a ladder would be beyond many people). Those shutters on the ground floor windows are seriously heavy-duty, and the place is bound to have been alarmed. The only way Joe Bloke could have done it would have been a petrol bomb through one of the first-floor windows on the street side.


Which ties up with the report that the Josifs said that they'd been firebombed.
 
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