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THFCSPURS19

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I’d be the first to call someone out on a post which condemned a man for reporting suspected racist abuse, i say that as someone who almost got in a punch up with one of our own fans for racially abusing Son up at Stoke several years ago with DVD and cat eating comments.
Ah - guess you missed this then:

No chance. Dickhead made false allegations about us racially abusing him

would not be welcome here. Ever.
 

BringBack_leGin

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No, literally read this page. Someone literally said they took being accused of racism personally.
Well if that poster genuinely believes rudiger was wrong to report what he felt he’d heard then he’s wrong, I agree with that. But the overriding sentiment in this thread has not been that in my opinion.
 

BigPlimpton

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Everyone seems to assume this is a loan without an option. Why? Past ITK from Herc and others has been pretty consistent that Levy would never use squad space to improve the value of another team’s asset, let alone an asset owned by a rival. I’ve been assuming that this would only happen as a loan with an option, coupled with Rudiger extending his Chelsea contract in case we don’t exercise the option.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Ah - guess you missed this then:
Seems i had him on ignore, though I can’t think why as I don’t believe he’s ever irked me. But yes that isn’t good at all @ronspurs , his would you feel off a member of your family believed they suffered verbal abuse of any sort doing their job, would you want them to report it and have it investigated or would you want them to ignore it in case they were wrong?
 

Maxtremist

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Well if that poster genuinely believes rudiger was wrong to report what he felt he’d heard then he’s wrong, I agree with that. But the overriding sentiment in this thread has not been that in my opinion.

I never said it was the overriding, I said it's been here though. And does keep creeping in. I wouldn't have mentioned it at first but a poster talked about it. Cause it keeps coming up. Thus this 'racism stuff' is not and cannot be a moot point.

As I said on a footballing level, I'd take him. Not my first choice but not a bad option. It does seem though, even if there is a minority of them, there are some of our fans who will hold the racism accusation against him. And that needs to be talked about and I will always call that out.
 

curlacious

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I think people are taking it personally because after the investigation found no evidence, he then said our fans in the away game were booing him because he reported it, when he had no way of knowing that, especially given that booing opposition players at rivals who have got your own players sent off is one of the most common things in football.
But It’s reasonable for him to think that’s the reason?
 

BringBack_leGin

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I never said it was the overriding, I said it's been here though. And does keep creeping in. I wouldn't have mentioned it at first but a poster talked about it. Cause it keeps coming up. Thus this 'racism stuff' is not and cannot be a moot point.

As I said on a footballing level, I'd take him. Not my first choice but not a bad option. It does seem though, even if there is a minority of them, there are some of our fans who will hold the racism accusation against him. And that needs to be talked about and I will always call that out.
I don’t disagree with what you say, I just want it to be a discussion, if it does keep taking place, which leads to something more constructive than what it currently is, which is basically a just a mess where people are conflating a lot of the information available with their own suppositions and preconceptions.
 

BringBack_leGin

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@Maxtremist I’ve edited the part of my post that said moot as it shouldn’t have, it should’ve said ‘not’. I certainly don’t think any of the opinions being expressed here are moot and was confused as to why you kept using that phrase till I reread my post.
 

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Is this the Rudiger thread or lessons on how to take the moral high ground?

Some of the bias confirmation bullshit I’m reading is pathetic. Rudiger said what he said. The outcome of the investigation came back with no charge to answer.

Even the staunch Rudiger ‘politically correct fan boys’ can appreciate this is quite the allegation to cast, especially when he was not 100% sure. He’s made an accusation which could potentially be life changing. He then felt the need to argue the toss even when the investigation was over. Common sense should have suggested diffusing the situation would have helped support his cause instead of ‘picking the scab’ once more with more media outbursts about THFC and fans of.

Whether you agreed or disagreed with the booing, surely you can see why fans may have felt slight aggrieved.
 

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I said at the time and I still believe this, he was perfectly entitled to make the accusation and anybody who see's somebody or feels they are being racially abused should report it. However what I did take issue with was once an extremely thorough investigation was completed, he said racism won. That simply wasn't the case and he should have held his hands up and said that maybe he made a mistake or even saying nothing at all would have been better than saying racism won. That's what leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
 

easley91

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To be honest if José is happy with him and Rudiger is up for the fight, then I'll back him. Wouldn't be the first rival player we have signed either.
 

Maxtremist

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Is this the Rudiger thread or lessons on how to take the moral high ground?

Some of the bias confirmation bullshit I’m reading is pathetic. Rudiger said what he said. The outcome of the investigation came back with no charge to answer.

Even the staunch Rudiger ‘politically correct fan boys’ can appreciate this is quite the allegation to cast, especially when he was not 100% sure. He’s made an accusation which could potentially be life changing. He then felt the need to argue the toss even when the investigation was over. Common sense should have suggested diffusing the situation would have helped support his cause instead of ‘picking the scab’ once more with more media outbursts about THFC and fans of.

Whether you agreed or disagreed with the booing, surely you can see why fans may have felt slight aggrieved.

No. He truly felt that he was racially abused. That's quite a life changing thing on of itself and you cannot downplay the impact that has on an individual. Especially whilst you're in your place of work.

The investigation came up with nothing, but that doesn't change the fact that Rudiger so firmly believes it and might feel the investigation didn't do it's job properly or anything like that. Why diffuse the situation if you in your heart of hearts feel like you've been racially abused?

It's so disconcerting to me that so many get this worked up about just the mere accusation of being called racist.
 

easley91

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In a stadium of 62,000 it's quite easy to mishear things. If you believe you heard anything racist (to you or anyone) you report it. Can't blame him.for reporting anything if he genuinely thought he heard it at the time. Anyway, the investigation found nothing. We all moved on. If he joins I'll support him. Hope everyone else does.
 

ShayLaB

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I have literally no idea why Chelsea would loan a player to a team also competing for a CL spot.

I don't believe any of it for a moment.
 

TPdYID

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Why diffuse the situation if you in your heart of hearts feel like you've been racially abused?

It's so disconcerting to me that so many get this worked up about just the mere accusation of being called racist.
Spurs alongside the police watched hours and hours of footage. Had expert lip readers watching freeze-frame after freeze-frame.

Rudiger and his allegation was proven wrong. When im at work and I’ve been proven wrong I reluctantly bite the bullet, hold my hands up and apologise for my inaccuracies.

What I don’t do is, come back at a later date and insinuate that somebody or something (racism) has won.
 

Maxtremist

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Spurs alongside the police watched hours and hours of footage. Had expert lip readers watching freeze-frame after freeze-frame.

Rudiger and his allegation was proven wrong. When im at work and I’ve been proven wrong I reluctantly bite the bullet, hold my hands up and apologise for my inaccuracies.

What I don’t do is, come back at a later date and insinuate that somebody or something (racism) has won.

I've been racially abused in the past but nothing has come of it, even with some of those times going to boards of people/people with power etc... I still know I was racially abused despite these people of power not being able to definitively prove it.

That's what's happened with Rudiger, in his eyes. He believes it. The investigation didn't find anything as proof. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, it means that they didn't find anything. And there's every chance there was nothing. But Rudiger feels that there was, and thus thinks that racism won. Completely fine for him to feel that way and in his position I would 1000% be the same and would want to keep fighting my case and sticking up for what I believe.
 

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Chelsea may not mind pushing the Rudiger to us links and getting Inter to get a move with selling Skriniar to us. Money from the Skriniar sale could possibly allow Inter to maybe put in concrete offers for a couple of Chelsea players they've been linked with, notably Alonso and Kante. I think they are looking to shift some in order to make a push for Rice.
 

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I've been racially abused in the past but nothing has come of it, even with some of those times going to boards of people/people with power etc... I still know I was racially abused despite these people of power not being able to definitively prove it.

That's what's happened with Rudiger, in his eyes. He believes it. The investigation didn't find anything as proof. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, it means that they didn't find anything. And there's every chance there was nothing. But Rudiger feels that there was, and thus thinks that racism won. Completely fine for him to feel that way and in his position I would 1000% be the same and would want to keep fighting my case and sticking up for what I believe.
I swear people would only be happy if he gave a press conference apologising and asking for forgiveness.
 
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