Angelo Ogbonna

[ButchCassidy]

http://www.lesechos.fr/sport/footba...ntus-turin-tottenham-sur-ogbonna-1108458.php#

Age: 26
Juventus/Italy
CB

 

[Zlatan]

Jan's way better.

 

[SFCS]

Big whiff of his agent pitching this story. Doubt we're interested.

 

[Karlinho]

There's only one team out of the bottom three that's conceded more goals than we have and Jan should surely shoulder some of that blame.

Jan's way better.

Qp

 

[Dirty Ewok]

Seems a bit like the agent trying to set the market for him this summer....

That said, i have always liked Ogbonna big/physical, quick CB who is solid in the air and decent with the ball at his feet. Have felt that if he could read the game better he would be regarded much more highly.

He seems to have fallen into the 3rd CB slot (behind Chiellini and Bonucci who seem unlikely to be moved from their roles any time soon) for Juve and he is probably good enough to start for any number of teams so it makes sense that his agent would shop him around.

If he was available at a reasonable fee i would have no issue with us making a play for him......but guessing that he is much more likely to end up somewhere else in Italy than he is anywhere in England.

 

[Dharmabum]

He's not a regular starter at Juve...

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Yes please, big, strong, decent pace and plenty of years left in the tank. We've previously been linked with him when he was at Udinese and since his move to Juve. Just because he rarely features in the best defence in Italy, doesn't make him not good enough. We're desperately short of a player with his capabilities.

 

[spursfan77]

We definitely need a quick centre back.

 

[Zlatan]

There's only one team out of the bottom three that's conceded more goals than we have and Jan should surely shoulder some of that blame.

Qp

Yes, he should have some of the blame. But he is better than Ogbonna, who's not that good. Always a risk when playing for Juve.

 

[Syn_13]

He's not a regular starter at Juve...

And by that do you mean we have a chance of getting him, or that he's not good enough for us?

If it's the latter then that's an odd comment, seeing as how Juve's defence is miles better and more organised than ours. I don't think any of our defenders would get into that first team line up, including Vertonghen. He's a good player, but falls short of some of the core defensive requirements.

If it's the former then I'm not sure if that would be the case. Just because he isn't first team doesn't mean he's not in Juve's plans. Barzagli is ageing and Ogbonna is still seen as a good prospect despite no longer being "young". He's not as assured as Barzagli, Chiellini or Bonucci, but he is still a good defenders and is versatile, often playing on the right of the back 3 for Juve despite being left footed, and he's a good, strong defender.

Yes, he should have some of the blame. But he is better than Ogbonna, who's not that good. Always a risk when playing for Juve.

Although I agree with you in that Jan is a better overall player, Ogbonna is a good player and regarded highly still in Italy. It's simply not true that he's always a risk for Juve, and has put in many good shifts. Like many defenders he has the odd hiccup, but, as a Juve fan who watches every game, I honestly think Jan is more error prone and makes more mistakes. Ogbonna is stronger, better in the air and has better positional sense when it comes to marking. Jan is a better all rounder, much better with the ball at his feet and makes some excellent pre-emptive tackles.

They're very different types of defenders so I don't think they can be easily compared. It's smarter to compare Ogbonna to Dier and Fazio, both of whom I think he's better than. Doesn't mean to say he would work in England though.

 

[Syn_13]

Also, I'd like to note that what we truly lack in central defence is a proper leader. Verts doesn't do enough for me, and Ogbonna wouldn't provide that either. He'd make a good addition to the squad, but he's no leader, and that's what we need to be looking for.

 

[dwaynedibley]

Vertonghen has absolutely no bollocks and no leadership qualities, he's a fucking shirker who cries off rather than roll his sleeves up, would fuck him off happily if we get a decent offer!!

 

[Zlatan]

Vertonghen has absolutely no bollocks and no leadership qualities, he's a fucking shirker who cries off rather than roll his sleeves up, would fuck him off happily if we get a decent offer!!

Okay, I stand corrected on Ogbonna. But to say that Jan has no bollocks and no leadership qualities is quite weird I'd have to say. He was captain at Ajax, has been a few times for Belgium and for us. I'd think he definitely has leadership qualities when so many managers has seen it in him. Have you been in our lockerroom?

 

[Dharmabum]

And by that do you mean we have a chance of getting him, or that he's not good enough for us?

If it's the latter then that's an odd comment, seeing as how Juve's defence is miles better and more organised than ours. I don't think any of our defenders would get into that first team line up, including Vertonghen. He's a good player, but falls short of some of the core defensive requirements.

If it's the former then I'm not sure if that would be the case. Just because he isn't first team doesn't mean he's not in Juve's plans. Barzagli is ageing and Ogbonna is still seen as a good prospect despite no longer being "young". He's not as assured as Barzagli, Chiellini or Bonucci, but he is still a good defenders and is versatile, often playing on the right of the back 3 for Juve despite being left footed, and he's a good, strong defender.



Although I agree with you in that Jan is a better overall player, Ogbonna is a good player and regarded highly still in Italy. It's simply not true that he's always a risk for Juve, and has put in many good shifts. Like many defenders he has the odd hiccup, but, as a Juve fan who watches every game, I honestly think Jan is more error prone and makes more mistakes. Ogbonna is stronger, better in the air and has better positional sense when it comes to marking. Jan is a better all rounder, much better with the ball at his feet and makes some excellent pre-emptive tackles.

They're very different types of defenders so I don't think they can be easily compared. It's smarter to compare Ogbonna to Dier and Fazio, both of whom I think he's better than. Doesn't mean to say he would work in England though.

I agree with most of your points but it can be argued who's the better of Jan or Barzagli/Bonucci as it's hard to compare the EPL with Seri A. I am sure Jan would do very well in Seri A in fact while I am not so sure about how Barzagli/Bonucci would do in the EPL.
Thing is, Ogbonna is turning 27 soon and's yet to fulfil his potential and he's spent his entire career in Seri A - but, who knows, maybe the EPL is where he'll blossom as a player. I remember Chimbonda was a relatively unknown player when he joined Wigan and turned out to be the best RB in the EPL (he was selected for the EPL FTOY) in his first seaon there (only to falter later....)

 

[Syn_13]

I agree with most of your points but it can be argued who's the better of Jan or Barzagli/Bonucci as it's hard to compare the EPL with Seri A. I am sure Jan would do very well in Seri A in fact while I am not so sure about how Barzagli/Bonucci would do in the EPL.
Thing is, Ogbonna is turning 27 soon and's yet to fulfil his potential and he's spent his entire career in Seri A - but, who knows, maybe the EPL is where he'll blossom as a player. I remember Chimbonda was a relatively unknown player when he joined Wigan and turned out to be the best RB in the EPL (he was selected for the EPL FTOY) in his first seaon there (only to falter later....)

Fair enough about how players would be in certain leagues. It is hard to tell. I think Jan is a great defender and would well wherever he goes, he just has his flaws (as does everyone). The only reason why I think he wouldnt' get into Juve's first team is because there is definitely a strong discipline in that back 3, with the emphasis about being able to defend first and foremost, rather than having any sort of ball player at the back. As far as Bonucci and Barzagli in the EPL goes - well, it's like you said. You can't ever tell. Chiellini is one of the best in the world and for all we know he could do fuck all if he came over here. Barzagli is ageing and lacks pace, so I don't know whether he'd keep up with the game, but Bonucci is a quality defender, almost as good as Chiellini, IMO, so I think he'd do great over here.

Regardless, this is about Ogbonna, and yes, I do have concerns that he's nearly 27 and hasn't quite reached that potential he was suggested to have years ago. I actually think being at Juve stifled him somewhat as he was never going to dislodge the other 3 over the last few years. Nonetheless, a lot of defenders have that habit of being fairly anonymous until they hit their late 20s, they tend to hit their prime around 28/29. I think we need a little bit of leadership from an older centre back.

 

[rossdapep]

Okay, I stand corrected on Ogbonna. But to say that Jan has no bollocks and no leadership qualities is quite weird I'd have to say. He was captain at Ajax, has been a few times for Belgium and for us. I'd think he definitely has leadership qualities when so many managers has seen it in him. Have you been in our lockerroom?

Jan has certainly got the capabilities as we all know, however I think he loses focus at times and can be bullied a little bit. I seem to remember before De Boer decided to give Jan the captain's armband he noted the problems Jan had with his focus at times and his lack of concentration needed work. He certainly improved it in his last season, as it convinced us to take the plunge after he had captained Ajax to another title win.

 

[Dharmabum]

This make total sense: Juve,, rather than put importance on the CL semi-final vs Monaco, leave Ogbonna out of the CL squad in case he should get injured if he played. Of course, that is more important than winning the CL semi-final It never occured to this site that he simply wasn't good enough



http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015...-to-sell-angelo-ogbonna-after-champions-leag/

Report: Juventus plan to sell Angelo Ogbonna after Champions League snub

According to Calcio Mercato, Juventus have taken the first step to selling Angelo Ogbonna by leaving him out of their side against Monaco earlier this week.

Juve are once again set to win the Serie A title, currently sitting 12 points clear of second placed Lazio, but the big problem for them in recent years has been in the Champions League.

Now into the last eight, Juve are closing in on the semi-finals after a 1-0 home win against Monaco on Tuesday night, with Arturo Vidal scoring a penalty to win the game.

However, one notable absentee from that game was centre back Ogbonna, who wasn't even in the squad despite starting against Parma just days earlier.

The 26-year-old has long been highly rated in Italy, but manager Massimiliano Allegri preferred to put a half-fit Andrea Barzagli on the bench instead of Ogbonna.

Now, Calcio Mercato believe that his omission from the squad is Juventus' first step to selling Ogbonna at the end of the season - and Tottenham may well be interested in that news.

Tuttosport reported earlier this month that Spurs were interested in signing the Italian international as manager Mauricio Pochettino seeks to upgrade his defensive options.

With inconsistent displays from the likes of Federico Fazio and Eric Dier this season, Pochettino may well want a new centre back this summer - and Ogbonna's apparent availability may be of interest to him.

 

[double0]

Jan's way better.

A better footballer maybe but not a better defender. The system Pochettinho demands we need specialist defenders