A Warning regarding Ratings

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rez9000

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And in reality it's just some daft little picture on a web page. Does it really matter?
That's a little bit specious though, if you'll forgive me for saying so, GF.

The logical conclusion of that argument could be that punching someone in the face is merely the molecules of one person's hand making contact with the molecules of someone's face, which is a pretty absurd thing to say.

It's not about the outcome, it's about the intent behind it. Again, we return to the question of respect - my question would be is it respectful to treat what someone says in that kind of fashion? OK, so this is an internet forum, but does that mean that expectating a basic level of respect and decency should be suspended...?

To my mind, it's not respectful or decent to cast aspersions on a conversation without contributing to it. It's also unfeasible to expect a conversation to stick rigidly to a specific topic, and certainly not to judge one post as Spam while another just as off-topic is allowed to pass just because the Spammer happens to find it funny.

I defy anyone to be able to point to an informal face-to-face conversation that sticks rigidly to the point being discussed, without any kind of tangent, joke, or analysis of minor points. I also defy anyone to be able to sit around a table with a group of people having a conversation and then to tolerate others not involved in that conversation to pass (snide) judgement on it.

And yet we see the absurdity of people noticing a long post, not reading it, but yet taking the time to make a snide comment about it. And then people agreeing with that as if the original poster has transgressed some unwritten law.

Banter is fine. A little tongue-in-cheek poke is fine - great, in fact. Tangents are good. All these things bring colour and flavour to a conversation. They're not sins or transgressions to be treated such. Treating someone's words like garbage is not decent. Would you accept that treatment face-to-face? Would anyone?

Those who share your view, GF, may well think that it's something easily thrown off and that's fair enough, of course - it's your opinion. But equally, others feel differently. Some are affected by it. Onions, yes? I'm sure there are things you feel strongly about that others couldn't care a jot about. Does that make your view or opinion on it less worthy of a basic level of respect? I would never dream of treating you with such disrespect as to say that what you wrote was worthless. I may not be interested in it, I may not agree with it, but that's my prerogative; judging it worthless categorically isn't.

It's about emotional intelligence and empathy - treating others as we would expect to be treated: with respect and decency. Throwing around Spam ratings is disrespectful, believing that every post should abide by an arbitrary standard set in isolation is unrealistic at best and ludicrous at worst. Throwing things that don't then meet that standard back in someone's face is the height of disrespect. (Just to clarify, I'm not accusing you of that, I'm speaking generally).

I take pride in what I write. I enjoy it and I try to craft it, even if it's a post on an internet forum. For someone to be throwaway about it rankles. And I treat others the same way. I don't pass judgement on what is an expression of their thoughts and feelings, no matter how short, long, serious, flippant, relevant or irrelevant - it is about being decent towards people. It's a matter of principle and a principle isn't simply discarded just because the circumstance isn't important.
 
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That's a little bit specious though, if you'll forgive me for saying so, GF.

The logical conclusion of that argument could be that punching someone in the face is merely the molecules of one person's hand making contact with the molecules of someone's face, which is a pretty absurd thing to say.

It's not about the outcome, it's about the intent behind it. Again, we return to the question of respect - my question would be is it respectful to treat what someone says in that kind of fashion? OK, so this is an internet forum, but does that mean that expectating a basic level of respect and decency should be suspended...?

To my mind, it's not respectful or decent to cast aspersions on a conversation without contributing to it. It's also unfeasible to expect a conversation to stick rigidly to a specific topic, and certainly not to judge one post as Spam while another just as off-topic is allowed to pass just because the Spammer happens to find it funny.

I defy anyone to be able to point to an informal face-to-face conversation that sticks rigidly to the point being discussed, without any kind of tangent, joke, or analysis of minor points. I also defy anyone to be able to sit around a table with a group of people having a conversation and then to tolerate others not involved in that conversation to pass (snide) judgement on it.

And yet we see the absurdity of people noticing a long post, not reading it, but yet taking the time to make a snide comment about it. And then people agreeing with that as if the original poster has transgressed some unwritten law.

Banter is fine. A little tongue-in-cheek poke is fine - great, in fact. Tangents are good. All these things bring colour and flavour to a conversation. They're not sins or transgressions to be treated such. Treating someone's words like garbage is not decent. Would you accept that treatment face-to-face? Would anyone?

Those who share your view, GF, may well think that it's something easily thrown off and that's fair enough, of course - it's your opinion. But equally, others feel differently. Some are affected by it. Onions, yes? I'm sure there are things you feel strongly about that others couldn't care a jot about. Does that make your view or opinion on it less worthy of a basic level of respect? I would never dream of treating you with such disrespect as to say that what you wrote was worthless. I may not be interested in it, I may not agree with it, but that's my prerogative; judging it worthless categorically isn't.

It's about emotional intelligence and empathy - treating others as we would expect to be treated: with respect and decency. Throwing around Spam ratings is disrespectful, believing that every post should abide by an arbitrary standard set in isolation is unrealistic at best and ludicrous at worst. Throwing things that don't then meet that standard back in someone's face is the height of disrespect. (Just to clarify, I'm not accusing you of that, I'm speaking generally).

I take pride in what I write. I enjoy it and I try to craft it, even if it's a post on an internet forum. For someone to be throwaway about it rankles. And I treat others the same way. I don't pass judgement on what is an expression of their thoughts and feelings, no matter how short, long, serious, flippant, relevant or irrelevant - it is about being decent towards people. It's a matter of principle and a principle isn't simply discarded just because the circumstance isn't important.
TLDR, have a friendly rating :D
 

Mr.D

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Checking the old status updates page is a source of great mirth to me.
How someone can get so irked as to message another about a rating is ridiculous.
 

piedpiper

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Good grief grown MEN moaning about a rating..... You don't moan or cry when you get a Like/Winner/Agree rating..take the good with the bad for heavens sake.

Can't believe this has gotten to 6 pages. I understand what A& C is referring to with the tit for tat.. All i do when i get a tit for tat approach is place the poster on ignore.. It just means they have not reached puberty and can't be engaged in a meaningful manner.
 

slartibartfast

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For me I think it is the consistent malevolent spammers are the most annoying.

The ones I refer to are those lurkers that never have input to any thread on this site.

I honestly believe they are not in tune with the vibe and/or the online personalities that have evolved in here.
Was gonna say same thing. I'd say the majority of the time I look to see who spammed a post its someone I've never heard of. Sad really.
 

slartibartfast

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Just checked my neg ratings given this year and found 2 accidental spams and 1 dislike. Removed them. I use my phone only so it happens.
The rest of my neg reps, you fkin deserved them :ROFLMAO:
 

Mr.D

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I can't be arsed changing anything. I've given 12 negative out of over 4k total. Whether by accident or not I couldn't give a shit.
 

DJS

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I just find it annoying when anonymous posters who have never posted rate perfectly reasonable posts as spam.

I’m reading the persons post and thinking how on Earth have they come to the conclusion that this is spam?

Happens a lot in transfer rumour forum.

And then you get the idiots who take their life into their hands daftly negging the ITK posts and I’m like seriously some people...
 

Tony Dean

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Exactly this. I tried to give them a taste of their own medicine, but it just gives the staff problems, so I stopped at their behest. It was stupid and childish, I absolutely don't deny it. But I was angry. I've had enough of reading interesting, funny, informative posts and at the bottom it's the same old culprits labelling it Spam. Why? What sin has been committed? The post strayed outside of the topic. Disaster! Someone mentioned something that didn't relate to the transfer of Giovani Lo Celso! Oh, won't someone, please, think of the children!

As I said elsewhere, it's like you're having a conversation in a pub with some mates - the discussion ranges back and forth, you get some jokes and some tongue-in-cheek banter, and at the next table there's a couple of blokes just going 'crap', 'crap', 'rubbish', 'irrelevant'. They're not engaging in the conversation, just passing judgement.
If I'm in a pub listening to blokes chatting shit it would be foolish to call them out on it in any way shape or form. You'd either get a volley of abuse which in turn would lead to a swift smack in the mouth or you'd get a smack in the mouth yourself more than likely. The ratings are there because it's an easy way to indicate your feeling without getting into deep reasoning. Either because you can't be bothered in long drawn out argument or because one might not be good enough with words to relate their opinion.
As far as I'm concerned I just want to read interesting posts which satisfy my needs. So when I go into a thread and its full of phrases like " cock womble or wank puffin" I spam it. I spam it because it adds nothing to the purpose of the thread. I spam it because its fucking juvenile. I've tried understand teen banter but I just don't get it. At my age I just dont get it. It isn't because I have no sense of humor or can't have "a laugh" like some would accuse. I can and do. Some on here obviously love that type of so called humour. How about if you (as in the collective you) can't contribute meaningfully to a thread then dont post at all. Or if the temptation to spam a thread with shit is too much then contact the mods to start an appropriate thread in the general area of the forum. Surely theres a banter thread somewhere on this site?
On the other hand if people spam an opinion or remark in line with the topic then that can be a bit annoying for some I get that. I just couldn't care less if i got spammed, dohd or whatever. It doesn't affect me because I don't clamour for Like's or attention or whatever. Just my opinion on this. Spam away.
 

McFlash

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As someone who's given out a grand total of 4 neg reps in over 14yrs on here, :angelic::couchpotato:, I'm pleased that this warning has seemingly stopped the childish spam battles and statements that recently erupted.
People can post pretty much what they want and if I don't like it, I'll just usually ignore it. Some humour I get, some I don't but just because it isn't for me, doesn't mean it shouldn't be on here.
 

Insomnia

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If I'm in a pub listening to blokes chatting shit it would be foolish to call them out on it in any way shape or form. You'd either get a volley of abuse which in turn would lead to a swift smack in the mouth or you'd get a smack in the mouth yourself more than likely. The ratings are there because it's an easy way to indicate your feeling without getting into deep reasoning. Either because you can't be bothered in long drawn out argument or because one might not be good enough with words to relate their opinion.
As far as I'm concerned I just want to read interesting posts which satisfy my needs. So when I go into a thread and its full of phrases like " cock womble or wank puffin" I spam it. I spam it because it adds nothing to the purpose of the thread. I spam it because its fucking juvenile. I've tried understand teen banter but I just don't get it. At my age I just dont get it. It isn't because I have no sense of humor or can't have "a laugh" like some would accuse. I can and do. Some on here obviously love that type of so called humour. How about if you (as in the collective you) can't contribute meaningfully to a thread then dont post at all. Or if the temptation to spam a thread with shit is too much then contact the mods to start an appropriate thread in the general area of the forum. Surely theres a banter thread somewhere on this site?
On the other hand if people spam an opinion or remark in line with the topic then that can be a bit annoying for some I get that. I just couldn't care less if i got spammed, dohd or whatever. It doesn't affect me because I don't clamour for Like's or attention or whatever. Just my opinion on this. Spam away.


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