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Hoping we'll be in the 6-8 fight with Villa and Newcastle. Good basis for Ange to build from.
I think a big question mark for me is how good some of our players are. At the moment there are question marks around most of our players and they could go either way. How good is Richy? Brazil number 9 but could'nt score last season. Can Son recapture his form? Is Kulu as good as his start suggested? Can Bentancur return? Can Bissouma reach his potential. Can Romero mature? Will VDV settle? Will Vicario work out? Porro, not sold on him personally. Kane was the one player we could rely on.
If it all goes right, we could be a couple of signings away from having a very solid team....but that is a lot that needs to go right.
Not sure about ' ' should'. I think 6th is probably the best we can expect this first season.In the same way that everything would need to go right for us to finish 4th, everything would need to go wrong for us to finish 8th.
Is Ange is worth his salt, we should be finishing 6th.
Not sure about ' ' should'. I think 6th is probably the best we can expect this first season.
Sure we’ve had worse sides finish top 5, but, at first blush, the PL looks SO much stronger on paper than it did a decade ago. When you see the kind of money coming into and out of all the teams in the top half, the league is just far more competitive than it used to be. I think about 8 sides in the PL this year could get out of a CL group stage.I feel like I've seen much worse jol and poch sides finish top 5.
And that's what you want really.
A manager that makes a team greater than the sum of its parts
Me too, about a timeI like the title
Sure we’ve had worse sides finish top 5, but, at first blush, the PL looks SO much stronger on paper than it did a decade ago. When you see the kind of money coming into and out of all the teams in the top half, the league is just far more competitive than it used to be. I think about 8 sides in the PL this year could get out of a CL group stage.
shit show propped up by HK 30 goals plus his creativity, now gone.Speaking to another Spurs fan earlier today and he said he’d be happy with 7th or 8th. Fuck that, we finished 8th last season with an absolute shit show. 3 different managers, in house fighting, dreadful football, coach died, Conte hospitalised. Top 4 should be the target, nothing aside from last seasons top two frightens me. Even without Kane we’ve got some great and exciting players. Fuck it, let’s win the whole thing! COYS!
Fair enough. I certainly think we should aim high. I wouldn’t be thrilled with 6-8th either. I want to see improvement in our play and hopefully the results don’t take too long to follow. We had a lot go wrong last year with crazy coaching turmoil that we are unlikely to see again.We parted ways with a manager that had us in 4th.
Having his replacement finish 8th (a feat that Ryan Mason managed) is not good enough for me.
Fair enough. I certainly think we should aim high. I wouldn’t be thrilled with 6-8th either. I want to see improvement in our play and hopefully the results don’t take too long to follow. We had a lot go wrong last year with crazy coaching turmoil that we are unlikely to see again.
But we also just lost one of the best players in premier league history. Others may feel differently, but in my view we are a worse team than we were last year with H gone. He won games on his own. Hopefully we bring in a few more, and our returning loan players make a difference, but right now I think we’re weaker than we were at the start of last season. We have a manager that is new to the league, and is trying to instill completely different tactics than we had last year. And the backdrop to all of this is that teams outside the Big 6 are now spending massive sums of money. Newcastle, Villa, and Brighton are all good teams with good managers and good players. There are 9 really strong sides in the league.
We’re not going to score 30 fewer goals because HK is gone. Yes he will be a big miss but we’ve got some great attacking players. No other team in the PL has got HK and as I say aside from the top two we shouldn’t fear anyone.shit show propped up by HK 30 goals plus his creativity, now gone.
Do we have a squad that is good enough to do better than that? For me it is an open question.Don't get me wrong, if we're playing good football and look like we are improving game by game, then 7th isn't the end of the world to me.
However, 8th is mid table mediocrity.
We have a squad good enough to do better than that if it's in the right hands.
If we finish 8th or lower, then I have to question if they really are the "right hands".
Honestly think the two lower European cups are our best chance of silverware. Far less likely to be gobbled up by cheating oil clubs.6th and a cup run would be a good season for us.
Back in the Europa league.
To me, on paper (and football isn’t played on paper etc), Manchester City, Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool and Chelsea are all much stronger than we are currently whilst Newcastle, Brighton and Aston Villa are roughly level but with less disruption and all on an upward trend. So while we bed in new signings and learn the approach of a new manager that is very (and refreshingly) different to what we’ve been used to for the past few seasons we’re likely to finish somewhere between 6th and 9th.Don't get me wrong, if we're playing good football and look like we are improving game by game, then 7th isn't the end of the world to me.
However, 8th is mid table mediocrity.
We have a squad good enough to do better than that if it's in the right hands.
If we finish 8th or lower, then I have to question if they really are the "right hands".
I expect West Ham to strengthen significantly before the deadline too. Its sometimes overlooked that they had the second highest average attendance last season and have a scandalously low annual rental on their stadium apparently equivalent to 2 home games' ticket income, plus the Rice and Scamacca money to spend. Their main problem is always attracting players ( despite europa football) and they have to wait until everyone else have declared no interest. This is probably why JWP hasn't signed yet.Fair enough. I certainly think we should aim high. I wouldn’t be thrilled with 6-8th either. I want to see improvement in our play and hopefully the results don’t take too long to follow. We had a lot go wrong last year with crazy coaching turmoil that we are unlikely to see again.
But we also just lost one of the best players in premier league history. Others may feel differently, but in my view we are a worse team than we were last year with H gone. He won games on his own. Hopefully we bring in a few more, and our returning loan players make a difference, but right now I think we’re weaker than we were at the start of last season. We have a manager that is new to the league, and is trying to instill completely different tactics than we had last year. And the backdrop to all of this is that teams outside the Big 6 are now spending massive sums of money. Newcastle, Villa, and Brighton are all good teams with good managers and good players. There are 9 really strong sides in the league.
To me, on paper (and football isn’t played on paper etc), Manchester City, Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool and Chelsea are all much stronger than we are currently whilst Newcastle, Brighton and Aston Villa are roughly level but with less disruption and all on an upward trend. So while we bed in new signings and learn the approach of a new manager that is very (and refreshingly) different to what we’ve been used to for the past few seasons we’re likely to finish somewhere between 6th and 9th.
I’d say a bottom half finish would probably make it fair to question if Ange is the right man in his first season, but 8th would be about par considering the large scale readjustment that we’re undertaking.