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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

BringBack_leGin

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Jul 28, 2004
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Son off was an odd one. He was causing them all sorts of problems and didn’t look tired. I also think the protection Aurier and Reguilón lost ultimately made a big difference, especially on the right. Something like Doherty for Ndombele, with us going 442 and him/ Aurier playing one in front of the other and Bale likewise on the other side in front of Sergio would’ve nullified the only thing West Ham had
 

JayB

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Aug 24, 2011
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Zero wrong with the team selection or the subs given his options. The only thing you can question is the coaching.
Absent an injury crisis, any time you’ve got Sanchez, Aurier, Winks, and Sissoko on the pitch at the same time something has gone wrong with the team selection or subs. Far too many players with a penchant for individual mistakes or shit defensive positioning to see out a game. Hopefully Jose will have learned who he can’t trust today.
 

ajspurs

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Jul 7, 2007
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Honestly the only question you can ask is could he have brought Davies on instead of Lucas or Bale to make us more solid. But let's be honest we were 3 nil up at 82 minutes. Of course Jose should rest our key players when winning comfortably.

The problem is we have too many players with errors and lapses in concentration in the squad, there is always a risk but you would think a 3 goal cushion is enough.

Unfortunately it wasn't, we have a lethal forward line and some real talent elsewhere (Tanguy, Gio, Sergio, Hugo & PEH) Jose needs to eradicate the mistakes other players make.

Result is a bitter pill to swallow, but I believe we will be a better team as a result moving forward. Season is wide open and these dropped points are not helpful at all but it is not really on Jose today for me.

If certain individuals are still involved moving forward though, then it is all on Jose.

I don't really blame Jose for the subs, I can't say I was really complaining about any of them at the time but I do think (or hope) that he is just learning about who he can trust and who he can't. He's elevated the general level in certain areas but there's still a couple that still need addressing and hopefully he'll be just as ruthless in addressing them as he has been with his dealing of Dele for one example.

I think he knows full well that it's not a case of getting a better tune out of some of what he has and that it's an increase in quality that's needed.
 

Univarn

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Jul 20, 2017
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So are you saying you wouldn’t have brought Bale on at three nil up? Because frankly I don’t believe you.
I don't think any of the subs on paper were wrong but we clearly got worse overall. Bale is clearly in need of match sharpness and 3-0 should have been a safe opportunity to do so. Moura did nothing and Winks just did his Winks thing and teams know how to beat that. I was more frustrated we came out of the 2nd half with a clear conserve energy rather than destroy their will to live then converse energy but at 3-0 up you assume that's already happened. That is Jose not knowing West Ham care more about this game than relegation and Spurs being undefeated in deepness all time.
 

spursfan1991

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Jul 3, 2008
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No point over analyzing a result like this, it was a freak result, it happens once in awhile and its very painful. Villa smashed liverpool 7-2, these things happen.

He knows and the fans know where the weaknesses are so i doubt this will happen again under his watch.
 

Tucker

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Jul 15, 2013
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I don't think any of the subs on paper were wrong but we clearly got worse overall. Bale is clearly in need of match sharpness and 3-0 should have been a safe opportunity to do so. Moura did nothing and Winks just did his Winks thing and teams know how to beat that. I was more frustrated we came out of the 2nd half with a clear conserve energy rather than destroy their will to live then converse energy but at 3-0 up you assume that's already happened. That is Jose not knowing West Ham care more about this game than relegation and Spurs being undefeated in deepness all time.

There’s no doubt we should have killed the game off, but I don’t think the subs had anything to do with that. Ndombele was clearly knakered, and Son was looking tired too imo. Bringing on Davies instead of Moura would have just given them more impetus to attack us too.
 

Univarn

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Jul 20, 2017
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There’s no doubt we should have killed the game off, but I don’t think the subs had anything to do with that. Ndombele was clearly knakered, and Son was looking tired too imo. Bringing on Davies instead of Moura would have just given them more impetus to attack us too.
Like I said I don't think any of the subs were wrong on paper. They just didn't work in reality. Sometimes that happens. Lots of times it doesn't.
 

THFC_SWE

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Aug 31, 2012
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No point over analyzing a result like this, it was a freak result, it happens once in awhile and its very painful. Villa smashed liverpool 7-2, these things happen.

He knows and the fans know where the weaknesses are so i doubt this will happen again under his watch.

Just no. Always the excuses. I don't care if Liverpool lost with 45-0 against Man Citys ladies team. This should not happen, especially against an inferior team like West Ham.

I see a pattern. First against Newcastle and now this. We stop playing and invite our opponents to put pressure against us.
 

ajspurs

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Jul 7, 2007
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There’s no doubt we should have killed the game off, but I don’t think the subs had anything to do with that. Ndombele was clearly knakered, and Son was looking tired too imo. Bringing on Davies instead of Moura would have just given them more impetus to attack us too.

The thing is the downfall started way before the subs. I know post-subs is when things 'officially' changed and I'm not saying they had absolutely zero influence, but we ran the massive risk of not seeing the game out with a win from our attitude at around half way through the first half.

It's as if we thought it was too easy or that the points were already in the bag. Thinking back on it the performance seems more and more unprofessional.
 

DJS

A hoonter must hoont
Dec 9, 2006
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To be fair I thought Moura was a good sub as he’s shown with his pace to be very effective against tiring legs in last part of the game.

After going 3-0 up we were shit for most 9f the game basically, should have continued punishing them with players like Kane and Son up top but we let a bang average team that’s the banter side of the league out work us.
 

Tucker

Shitehawk
Jul 15, 2013
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The thing is the downfall started way before the subs. I know post-subs is when things 'officially' changed and I'm not saying they had absolutely zero influence, but we ran the massive risk of not seeing the game out with a win from our attitude at around half way through the first half.

It's as if we thought it was too easy or that the points were already in the bag. Thinking back on it the performance seems more and more unprofessional.

I think people are being a bit OTT about the whole thing. It was a really disappointing result, but it was an absolute fluke. On another day Kane would have scored rather than hit the post, and Bale would have buried his chance.
 

Saoirse

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Aug 20, 2013
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Absent an injury crisis, any time you’ve got Sanchez, Aurier, Winks, and Sissoko on the pitch at the same time something has gone wrong with the team selection or subs. Far too many players with a penchant for individual mistakes or shit defensive positioning to see out a game. Hopefully Jose will have learned who he can’t trust today.
The only defender injured was Tanganga, yet with Dier/Toby not having pace that left Sanchez as the only option. Equally the only CM out was GLC, but when Ndombele visibly tired the only other option was Gedson. These players are crucial parts of our squad. The job of the manager is to manage their limited abilities and get them at least doing the basics right and working well as functional cogs in a team. They're professional PL footballers who finished between 2nd and 4th and made a UCL final, not hungover fat blokes in Sunday League. So far we haven't done that.
 

JayB

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Aug 24, 2011
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The real problem with the subs was that Lamela wasn’t on the bench. He’s a far better option than Winks or Lucas for coming on and seeing a game out. Lucas makes for a good super sub but with Bale already on the bench we had that need covered. It should have been Lamela rather than Lucas.
 

Gareth88

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Sep 19, 2017
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Objective truth is that with the VVD news especially we're 1% away from a title challenge. I hope he can get us there but it's frustrating to see the same fuckups so consistently.
If you think we are winning the league you’re mad.
 
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