Jose Mourinho

C0YS said:

Mate, not just you, quite a lot of this on the thread.

It's an odd opinion, but he is completely entitled to it. Calling someone a twat or a tool for it, is pretty horrible stuff. Play the ball guys.

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Yes, and he’s only posting that video for attention. Why would you do it otherwise? It makes zero sense for him to have such a vendetta against Jose so I stand by my opinion if someone can be that shallow.

Shanks said:

question for you as the stand out part for me, was you wanting to give Poch a few more games to turn things around...

we were aweful for almost 1.5 seasons. The season we got to the CL final, we lost something like 20 games.

that along with not being able to identify players needed within budget.

I loved it under Poch, but we achieved absolutely nothing, other than reaching a CL final and ended up exactly where we started when he left.

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This is what I mean.

Why all of these sly digs?

I support the current manager and have defended him against the super anti-jose peeps.

I made my reasons clear. But Poch did achieve something. He took a club from 6th, with the 6th highest wage budget, in a period where purse strings were tight (I suspect we had more money to spend then we did, but they still are tight, it's relative) and moved them up to a level I've never seen us before. Like ever, and may never happen again. He achieved the most consistently highest positions in the league out of any Spurs manager.

Poch's record
5th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th

Before Poch
4th 5th 4th 5th 6th
Ok that's a step up.

Now lets go further back, to say the last time we finished 3rd before that.

10th 15th 8th 15th 7th 8th 10th 14th 11th 10th 12th 9th 10th 14th 9th 5th 5th 11th 8th

So last time we were third before Poch was 1990. 2 years before I was born. Now lets see the last 2nd place finish before Poch.

2nd 4th 6th 8th 3rd 7th 6th 11th 3rd 6th 8th 11th 19th 9th 22nd 3rd(div2) 11th 14th 10th 4th 4th 8th 3rd 10th 3rd 13th 6th 3rd

That was, erm 1962. So 30 years before my birth, like literally more than a lifetime before my birth.

Now Champions league or European Cup qualifications before Poch = 2. Champions League qualifications after Poch = 4


Look, I could understand why Poch was sacked. I get it. I just think that it's all this sort of trigger happy football world that's the problem, and I personally believe most managers should be given more time than they are in the current footballing world, particularly successful ones. And good managers which are given time, historically do quite well. But I get it, a decision was made with the the best interests in the club and you move on.

But, it's just either people lived in a completely different world than I did back in 2014 or their perception of Tottenham was completely distorted to the reality of the situation (again we were the 6th biggest club in England by every metric, and closer to 7th than 5th. It was a big gap from the top 5 and us) and our identity and what we were as a club back then. They might just have a poor memory.

I've worked abroad a lot and Tottenham turned from people being like 'who?' to people not shutting up at me about how we played, Harry Kane and all that. The impact was tremendous, and with the new stadium we live on a different planet than before. I thought I'd die before seeing us reach the final of the CL, or come within games to the league title, we didn't get those things, but the profile of the club is totally incomparable to what it was before Poch came.

Everyone, apart from a small sections of spurs fans can see this, everyone looking from the outside sees how remarkable the job he did was. I don't know if the reputation of Spurs fans thinking they are much bigger than they are or a bit delusional is justified, I never used to think that way, but I dunno.

I think to think it was time to move on from Poch was an entirely reasonable position to take. I think it's rational and fine. But to not see how successful Pochettino actually was, is just astonishing, just beyond words, astonishing. Like I say, the only people who don't see that are some Spurs fans. Oh, and maybe some people winding you up on twitter or something who use the whole 'haven't won a trophy' thing to wind you up, while secretly being incredibly impressed with what Poch did. I just don't understand it.

olliec said:

Yes, and he’s only posting that video for attention. Why would you do it otherwise? It makes zero sense for him to have such a vendetta against Jose so I stand by my opinion if someone can be that shallow.

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I'm not sure he's posting the video. I think he was invited to a program and just gave his opinion, and that's fine. I think it's a bit silly but it's this personal abuse I don't like. An insult isnt an opinion, it's just an insult. I hope people are better than that.

You don't have to be anti-Jose to appreciate that Poch's peak years were halcyon days. I agree with Windy that despite not actually winning anything, it was probably the best period supporting Spurs in my lifetime (and I supported Spurs from the late 70's). We had both the best defence and the best offence in the PL, with a home grown superstar at CF, and Dembele and Wanyama eating up midfield, Rose and Walker dominating the flanks with Dele and Eriksen in perfect harmony was incredible. The 1986/87 season is probably the only other season that comes close in terms of football perfection. But .... Poch's time was clearly over. The rot set in before the CL final. And his response after it, and the summer window that followed showed his time was up. As did the player's start to last season. I mourned for Poch, and it stopped me embracing Jose for some time if I am honest., and it did not help that under Jose the football has been quite frankly largely turgid. But his squad management and transformation is exquisite. And if we play a direct, fact paced counter attacking style with players like Bale, Kane, Son, Bergwijn, Vinicius, Moura banging in goals I think we can really reach new heights. It's the hope that kills you isn't it?

Has anyone noticed that since Jose gave Dele a kick up the arse the talk of a bloated squad seems to have tapered off?

C0YS said:

I'm not sure he's posting the video. I think he was invited to a program and just gave his opinion, and that's fine. I think it's a bit silly but it's this personal abuse I don't like. An insult isnt an opinion, it's just an insult. I hope people are better than that.

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This I agree with, dislike a guy for his popularity and take a snippet from a whole discussion isn’t fair, certainly not to be vilified by a whole fan base, he loves his club and he clearly loved poch - in fact I’m sure we all did and we all wanted to win under him.

no need for insults, we all support the same team, and I actually enjoy different opinions on spurs, without insults or negative reps.

btw I don’t disagree with your Poch facts either, I absolutely loved Poch, and he did exceptionally well for us, as you pointed out, but then again we never we quite got over the line, something I’m hoping we will do now.

Shanks said:

This I agree with, dislike a guy for his popularity and take a snippet from a whole discussion isn’t fair, certainly not to be vilified by a whole fan base, he loves his club and he clearly loved poch - in fact I’m sure we all did and we all wanted to win under him.

no need for insults, we all support the same team, and I actually enjoy different opinions on spurs, without insults or negative reps.

btw I don’t disagree with your Poch facts either, I absolutely loved Poch, and he did exceptionally well for us, as you pointed out, but then again we never we quite got over the line, something I’m hoping we will do now.

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Yeh and I'm hoping so too. Nothing would please me more.

I think Jose along with the team deserve credit for successfully negotiating themselves through a difficult week.
Got through to quarter final of one cup along with reaching the group stage of another plus brought in another striker.
I think we are seeing the effect this man is having not only on the club with his effective game management, but also players want to come here and play for him.
We also have to thank levy for backing him with his choice of targets, just get skriniar in and we are good to go.

DEFchenkOE said:

Mourinho has said from ages ago that he has given Levy his targets, and plenty itk also said that Mourinhos targets have been more realistic than Pochs.

And if you're Levy, who are you going to be more inclined to back? A manager that has won it all and knows what a trophy winning squad looks like or a good manager who has done well but a bit indecisive and struggled to get us over the line?

That's the difference between the 2 for me, Jose will demand players and make it clear. Poch will probably mumble it under his breath whereas he should have been giving Levy ultimatums...

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Its still bs he didnt back poch at critical points in time. Calling poch a mumbler give your head a wobble, no respect

jonnyrotten said:

Its still bs he didnt back poch at critical points in time. Calling poch a mumbler give your head a wobble, no respect

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Yet we had ITK stating the board would back Poch, or at least funds were there, where as it was Poch who wouldn’t/couldn’t identify players ??‍

Bloody hell you lot. I'll add a /s on my comments from here on out.

C0YS said:

I'm not sure he's posting the video. I think he was invited to a program and just gave his opinion, and that's fine. I think it's a bit silly but it's this personal abuse I don't like. An insult isnt an opinion, it's just an insult. I hope people are better than that.

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Ok, but fans like that just annoy me. It’s extremely shallow and small minded and puts a negative unnecessary spectrum around the club.

Trix said:

Wasn't because of funds. It was because Poch wanted an incredibly short and difficult list, and nothing else would do. We tried to get everyone of Pochs players and managed to get 3.

Can't blame Levy if the others were well out of our reach or wanted to go to other clubs instead.

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Levy does have his faults but it seems like no matter how many times you say this @Trix people still dont get it!!!

My memories of managers start with Arthur Rowe and have seen all from them up to now and my belief is that Poch was a good manager that had passed his sell by date but he was a lucky manager notice City and the offside and notice Ajax when a man pays the game of his whole life Moura . the fact is for two years he was good the rest of the time he was swimming against the tide in that he had been found out .
For me the man that impressed me most was Martin Jol he turned the club from a mid table side to starting to challenge the top four and by changing the way we had been playing which was pretty poor for years into one of the best footballing side in the division .
This young mans opinion on Poch / Jose would I am sure be different when he gets older and wiser and in retrospect will realise that his opinion at that time was really really flawed and his view made up by his opinion of how wonderful Poch was in his eyes .
Or a different view of him is he is a dipstick

I loved Poche. I think he's a great guy, a great coach, and I'd love to go for a pint with him. What he did at Spurs was inspiring and defining. He changed the character of the club from being flash but a bit of a push over, to being brave, bold, genuine contenders.

I very much admire and respect Jose. Rather than go for a pint and have a laugh, I'd love to sit and listen to him talk about football... tactics, personalities, stories, etc. He's like a professor, very knowledgeable, pragmatic and experienced. What he's doing here is deeply impressive if you look at it. He's taking us the next step, and changing us again from brave contenders, to ruthless champions.

spids said:

despite not actually winning anything, it was probably the best period supporting Spurs in my lifetime (and I supported Spurs from the late 70's).

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For some reason I enjoyed the Redknapp era more. I know we didn't win every game, but I found his management more 'agreeable'. Maybe it's my bad memory, as I didn't use or read forums at all until well after AVB had gone. I feel that what Harry did for us (including being the catalyst for Kane and so many others) is always completely ignored (or wholly under-appreciated) in the context of what Poch did for us.

BringBack_leGin said:

Judging by the football team I support and the music I listen to I may as well be ?

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Have you been bangin' out those massif Glenn Miller deep-cuts again, BBLG?

sausage said:

For some reason I enjoyed the Redknapp era more. I know we didn't win every game, but I found his management more 'agreeable'. Maybe it's my bad memory, as I didn't use or read forums at all until well after AVB had gone. I feel that what Harry did for us (including being the catalyst for Kane and so many others) is always completely ignored (or wholly under-appreciated) in the context of what Poch did for us.

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Sorry - maybe I missed it, but how was Redknapp the catalyst for Kane? Redknapp was sacked over 8 years ago.

About 25 years too old my friend ?

spids said:

Sorry - maybe I missed it, but how was Redknapp the catalyst for Kane? Redknapp was sacked over 8 years ago.

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Redknapp was playing Kane in the first team well before Sherwood.

He regularly gave academy players chances, more so than others and exponentially more than MP, but never gets the credit as being that type of manager.