Match Threads Spurs vs Newcastle - Match Thread - Day 3

George94 · Sep 27, 2020

easley91 said:
Nobody is going to refuse to score a penalty. Especially a club who may be fighting relegation. That penalty could mean a lot in terms of finances in a pandemic.

You're probably right, I don't expect that to happen. But if the teams who get these decisions (including us) keep accepting that this rule is okay, then it ain't gonna change.

SpartanSpur · Sep 27, 2020

George94 said:
We did enough to win that game and were robbed of 3 points. Anyone blaming that result on our performance has their head in the sand.

We've got another 3 games next week in quick succession, there is no way we could have our foot on the pedal for 90 minutes.

Yes I agree. Can't knock our players at all. Finally we get a near complete performance and then that happens.

nedley · Sep 27, 2020

Rob said:
The whole problem is that the refs are shit.

VAR is not the problem, it's just highlighted how shit the refs are.

This is perfect. Just bang on the money.

C0YS · Sep 27, 2020

InOffMeLeftShin said:
His hand was above his shoulder because Lascelles shoved him in the back. Free kick should have been given and so the handball shouldn’t even be considered.

I'm not disagreeing mate. It's a crazy decision for a million reasons. But if you were to just isolate it towards being about handball, the laws quite clearly say it is, and this is a big problem for football.

Marty · Sep 27, 2020

wrd said:
Mate they get shit wrong all the fucking time and don't get demoted, do you honestly believe anybody would bat an eyelid if he didn't give that as a pen? it wouldn't even be discussed right now. They literally consistently fucking get shit wrong as per their rules which is why this notion of binary referee decisions is a complete farce of an argument and why common sense can be applied whether the ref apologists want to admit it or not.

Plus fuck your bosses, show some integrity, you're there to govern the game in the spirit of the sport, not please some fucking bureaucrat who makes these shitty rules. Show some balls and make the correct footballing decision for the good of the game.

I'm not a referee but I can still acknowledge that they're being put in an impossible situation.

I'm not excusing today's ref either, there were at least one if not two Lascelles handballs that were at the very least borderline penalties with this rule and the free kick before the handball is a joke. But deliberately making "mistakes" and going against the rules to make a point is worse for a ref's career than making bad calls in the moment. That goes for every type of job in the world.

SirHarryHotspur · Sep 27, 2020

Only thing that will get laws changed is if a FIFA world cup is turned into a shambles by numerous ridiculous hand balls , remember before the Lampard "Goal" against Germany in the world cup FIFA were against goal line technology.

stov · Sep 27, 2020

wrd said:
I promise you hand on heart, they're people with the integrity to ignore procedures if it's the correct ethical decision in the moment. People just have to have the tenacity to do so.

but people aren't empowered to do that - you have to be pretty stubborn and contrarian to take the ethical stance over following procedures and keeping your head down.

hughy · Sep 27, 2020

Went for a walk to the shops and I still can't stop thinking about it. I've never been left this angry by football in my life.

I was really looking forward to watching the other 2 games, I can't even bring myself to switch the TV back on.

JayB · Sep 27, 2020

adamsky said:
I just cannot believe this was the intention of the rule makers. This must be down to the moronic interpretation of the referees. How have we gone from the ridiculous rules when handball in the build up of a goal to the other extreme when defending?

The refs need to come out and defend their decisions, talk us through what Dier could have done differently for it not to be a penalty. There has to be some form of intent for it to be a penalty, making himself bigger etc, otherwise what are they penalising?

I already hated VAR because it stops you being able to celebrate a goal but this is now just stupid.

I'm afraid the rulemakers simply did not think through the implications of the ridiculous change to the law. They wanted to create an objective, mechanical standard in order to insulate referees from controversy. While they may have succeeded in that specific goal, they completely overlooked the fact that the change would bring the game itself into disrepute.

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes once said, in reference to whether a jury is capable of determining criminal intent, that even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked. Referees are perfectly fucking capable of judging whether or not a handball was deliberate. Stripping the mens rea out of the law and making it a strict liability offense leads to it being applied in a manner that is wildly, outrageously disproportionate to the nature of the infraction. By cowardly seeking to insulate referees from questioning, IFAB has completely fucking ruined the game. Intent needs to be restored to the law.

wrd · Sep 27, 2020

stov said:
but people are empowered to do that - you have to be pretty stubborn and contrarian to take the ethical stance over following procedures and keeping your head down.

Yeah as I said it's a matter of integrity.

Archibald&Crooks · Sep 27, 2020

hughy said:
I was really looking forward to watching the other 2 games, I can't even bring myself to switch the TV back on.

I'm feeling the same way, not watching.

piedpiper · Sep 27, 2020

Just seen a replay of the City vs Leicester game and the penalty decision.... Who gives decisions like that... What is this game coming to when Vardy is barely touched and goes to ground sooo theatrically.

Someone reviewed and gave that... Just like to was done in our game.

dondo · Sep 27, 2020

soflapaul said:
steve bruce just hammered the rule. fair play to him

Thought he would he comes across as a good guy

double0 · Sep 27, 2020

wrd said:
I promise you hand on heart, they're people with the integrity to ignore procedures if it's the correct ethical decision in the moment. People just have to have the tenacity to do so.

Agree 100 per cent but then people will say jobs are on the line.

It's a farce and the FA are allowing it.

easley91 · Sep 27, 2020

Might put a bet on a handball penalty in every game. Sure fire money, right?

SargeantMeatCurtains · Sep 27, 2020

My final thoughts are that Premier League Referees and anybody pretending to be a former PL official on an internet forum are fucking wankers.

fortworthspur · Sep 27, 2020

VAR is turning the game into a farce. Id say for every bad decision it corrects it turns two correct decisions into bad ones.

Indisguise · Sep 27, 2020

stov said:
for me too. Add the sky hyperbole, toxic tribalism on social media, financial doping, corruption, and so on. I have reached my limit after 30 years of religiously following football.

I've been feeling this about football for a long time now, but the magic of a returning Gareth Bale dragged me back in. I'm not sure that even Gareth will be able to keep me interested for very much longer if such fundamental flaws in and around the game are going to be continually ignored.

WannaDanceWithUdogie · Sep 27, 2020

I cannot wait until one morning I wake up and see a PL corruption scandal is all over the front pages

stormfly · Sep 27, 2020

Joke of a decision! I only hope it evens itself out throughout the season and we get out of jail a few times. Great performance by the lads today and it’s a shame they had two points stolen from them in the end.

Forums

What's new

Matches

Sportsbook

Members

Match Threads Spurs vs Newcastle - Match Thread - Day 3

Match Prediction

Spurs to Win

Spurs to Lose

Score Draw

Goal-less Draw

George

Well-Known Member

John Duncan's Love Child

Just another member

Audere est farce

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

I'm SUPER cereal.

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Aegina Expat

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Your least favourite poster

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Similar threads