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Dele Alli at Everton

y1dk1d

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I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think Dele is the type of player to respond well to a “kick up the arse” I feel he would sulk tbh
 

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in the bale thread, there is a clip of a golfer interviewing him for a podcast and a 6 hole game. and bale said exactly what i feel now, and exactly pertinent to your comment.

he said sthg to the effect of "nowadays theres too much focus on stats, when the focus shd be on the football. there are days where i played like shit and i feel terrible but i scored 2 goals, and everybody says great game, how does that work? on others, i played a great game but didnt score or assist but i feel good" (not verbatim obvs)

lucas is not just lightning quick and can nick the ball off players when pressing in the opponent's half, he is also extremely disciplined positionally and willing to track back and help his team mates out.

yes often he goes down blind alleys and doesnt contribute many goals or assists. and going by how bale was an opportunistic signing and how jose was happy to almost always start lucas, moura probably ticks more of jose's boxes.

now, on to dele. im not sure how old u are and its not personally directed at you, but in this modern day era of social media and highlights reels and clips, i notice more n more of the younger generation of fans reacting fanatically to 10 seconds of amazing dribble or assist or goal or incident and lose sight of the bigger picture of the match lasting 95 mins and how all 11 players need to play their part to win football matches.

dele just doesnt do enough in those other 80 mins.

I'm pushing 40, so have watched enough games to know a bit. I get it, workrate etc is important, but our team has enough cloggers, plus the massive work rate of Kane, that we can afford a luxury attacker if he'll get you goals or provide some magic.

Goals win games. I my opinion they are both put on the pitch to primarily score or setup goals, not defend. Dele will be involved in 20 a season, lucas 8-10.
 

Timberwolf

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I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think Dele is the type of player to respond well to a “kick up the arse” I feel he would sulk tbh
Well I think it's worth a shot.

For years Poch, and more recently Jose, have picked him every week despite how badly he's been performing, so I think he really needs that fear put into him to try to force a reaction. He certainly has no right to expect to be a guaranteed starter given how he's performed in the past 2 years.
 

yankspurs

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If there is anyone who desperately needs a kick up the ass its him. He’s always been a certainty in the XI. But now the club feels he’s a lazy trainer and even from the outside you wouldnt be laughed out of the room if you suggested that he’s far more interested in the off field life of a footballer than on the field stuff. Dele has the world at his feet. He can be one of the best goal scoring midfielders in the world. It’s up to him to recognize that.
 

THFCSPURS19

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anyone with access able to copy the full article behind the paywall ? Thank you so much in advance

PSG confident they can strike a deal with Spurs for out of favour midfielder Dele Alli

England international keen on getting game-time ahead of next summer's Euros

Paris Saint-Germain believe that Dele Alli wants to join them on a season-long loan deal.

The Champions League finalists are also increasingly confident that a deal can be struck with Tottenham Hotspur before the transfer window closes on October 5 with Alli understood to be keen on the move to give him a fresh start.

The two clubs have a good relationship with PSG having sold Lucas Moura and Serge Aurier to Tottenham in recent seasons. There is also a growing sense that loaning Alli out for the rest of this campaign could benefit all parties.

The permanent transfer of Alli is not being discussed by the clubs and PSG only appear interested – for now – in a loan which may also suit Daniel Levy. The Spurs chairman would be reluctant to allow the midfielder to leave to a Premier League rival.

Telegraph Sport revealed on Sunday that talks had taken place to sign Alli who has fallen out of favour with Spurs head coach Jose Mourinho and has not even been included in the past two match-day squads after being substituted at half-time during the defeat at home to Everton.

There is also interest in the 24-year-old from Inter Milan whose coach Antonio Conte is a huge admirer of the England international. However the Serie A club may struggle to even finance a loan move.

Mourinho's recent treatment of Alli, who was offered to Real Madrid on loan as part of the negotiations to bring Gareth Bale back to Spurs and sign left-back Sergio Reguilon, has left some of his team-mates stunned. The player himself is understood to be confused and upset at his treatment from Mourinho.

With the European Championships taking place next summer, Alli cannot afford to sit on the substitutes' bench all season if he wants to win back his England place having been left out of recent squads by Gareth Southgate.
 

wrd

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cheers @THFCSPURS19, I think the better option would be to inter and take Skriniar on loan with an option but there we are. Not sure how a loan solves anything unless the club doesn't see Jose as a long term option.
 

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cheers @THFCSPURS19, I think the better option would be to inter and take Skriniar on loan with an option but there we are. Not sure how a loan solves anything unless the club doesn't see Jose as a long term option.
Smashes it for a year with PSG, gets him in the Euro squad, we’ve not paid his wages but his value and reputation has risen, and we either get back a confident, on form, evolved player with three years left on his deal, or a player for whom we could justify demanding a huge fee to let go of.
 

FibreOpticJesus

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cheers @THFCSPURS19, I think the better option would be to inter and take Skriniar on loan with an option but there we are. Not sure how a loan solves anything unless the club doesn't see Jose as a long term option.
Unless we are happy to have a squad of less than 25 we need to find some home grown to replace him and Rose if they go.
 

Spursmatty87

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Obviously you never know what goes on behind closed doors but it looks to me that Jose has given him a fair crack to prove himself. Good luck to dele if he does go to PSG. I thought that his omission was to give him a kick up bum but looks like it could be that he could go.
 

wrd

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SG, gets him in the Euro squad, we’ve not paid his wages but his value and reputation has risen, and we either get back a confident, on form, evolved player with three years left on his deal, or a player for whom we could justify demanding a huge fee to

Yeah I think there's a lot of upside for Dele. I just find it interesting that it's Levy who it will supposedly benefit with the loan. I just think as a club you'd think selling him and repurposing the money was the best option if the manager doesn't rate him but we'll see. Personally don't want him to leave and want to see him turn things around but it sounds like things have soured immensely.
 

THFCSPURS19

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Unless we are happy to have a squad of less than 25 we need to find some home grown to replace him and Rose if they go.
Don't think so? I think it's a limit on the number of non-homegrown rather than a set number of homegrown (for PL at least) - deffo need to sell 2-3 non-homegrown players.
 

USAYID

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I'm pushing 40, so have watched enough games to know a bit. I get it, workrate etc is important, but our team has enough cloggers, plus the massive work rate of Kane, that we can afford a luxury attacker if he'll get you goals or provide some magic.

Goals win games. I my opinion they are both put on the pitch to primarily score or setup goals, not defend. Dele will be involved in 20 a season, lucas 8-10.

While the team may be able to accomodate a luxyury attacker, the team can't afford to carry 3. There are times when both Kane and/or Son are in that luxury player position, most of the time rightly so as they are our main threats. We can't accomodate a 3rd one, especially when he's more often about tricks and flicks than the quick, easy pass.

Don't get me wrong, Dele could be a superstar if he put in the effort. He's shown enough from a vision standpoint to pick a great pass, and on occasion he has put on defensive displays, marking out opposition (see the highly touted Jorginio's first game against us). The problem is that he doesn't apply himself enough, so will be more average than great. I hope he seriously thinks about it and decides to push on with us, but we've been here before.
 
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Don't think so? I think it's a limit on the number of non-homegrown rather than a set number of homegrown (for PL at least) - deffo need to sell 2-3 non-homegrown players.

Well, sort of. There's a limit on squad size for over-21's which has a max number of non-HG. It generally means that we are still limited to less than 25 if we can't top up the 17 by 8 HG, so FOJ is still correct.

(of course can top that up by some under 21's)
 

dtxspurs

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Don't think so? I think it's a limit on the number of non-homegrown rather than a set number of homegrown (for PL at least) - deffo need to sell 2-3 non-homegrown players.
It’s not so much we don’t have enough HG players it’s just that we have too many foreign players. We only need one more for the “max” HG you would need and that’s with Dele leaving
 

wrd

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Well, sort of. There's a limit on squad size for over-21's which has a max number of non-HG. It generally means that we are still limited to less than 25 if we can't top up the 17 by 8 HG, so FOJ is still correct.

It's amazing we still have these issues even though we've added 3 HG players this summer.
 
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