Jose Mourinho

Locotoro said:

Let's not forget this Bayern team did the same thing to Us and Barca.

They've put through 4 or more goals past an opponent in 17 of the last 34 games (with a lot of the other games scoring 3). That's half of the games they play they score at least 4 goals. That is a ridiculous stat

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Sophos151 said:

3. Someone mentioned that our build-up under Pochettino was a lot more structured and consistent, but I think that was actually a weakness in big games - Mourinho probably thought so as well, considering how he utterly shut us down in the final and semi-final we Poch against his Chelsea and United sides.

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spids said:

We battered Man U and were so unlucky to lose. De Gea made several worldy saves (when he was still good!).

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spids said:

We battered Man U and were so unlucky to lose. De Gea made several worldy saves (when he was still good!).

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Tom Read said:

I think you're thinking of one of Solskjaer's first games in charge. Think Kane got injured right at the end of that game too if I remember.

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glacierSpurs said:

Is amazing people chose to interpret so many negative angles of Mourinho in that few seconds of interview interruption, but got no positive contextual understanding of him in 8 and half episodes of AON documentary.

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Albertbarich said:

I think kane and son put a plaster on a gaping wound yesterday but let's see.

Did the defence look convincing? No , first half especially it was atrocious, the players looked lost, they were getting out thought, out fought and out run.

In the second half kane got the ball and started passing it like Glenn hoddle and in Southampton never learn as they kept letting sonny go over the top. Goals equal confidence and you could see that.

Do I have faith that he had a masterplan that is coming together? Not at all. Two stinking performances and then this very odd game arent convincing at all.

The weekend will be interesting. Will he go 433, will he start two attacking full backs, will we aggressively want the ball and then go for it.

Or will we look slow, lethargic, caught between systems and make it a war if attrition for everyone to watch.

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Albertbarich said:

I think kane and son put a plaster on a gaping wound yesterday but let's see.

Did the defence look convincing? No , first half especially it was atrocious, the players looked lost, they were getting out thought, out fought and out run.

In the second half kane got the ball and started passing it like Glenn hoddle and in Southampton never learn as they kept letting sonny go over the top. Goals equal confidence and you could see that.

Do I have faith that he had a masterplan that is coming together? Not at all. Two stinking performances and then this very odd game arent convincing at all.

The weekend will be interesting. Will he go 433, will he start two attacking full backs, will we aggressively want the ball and then go for it.

Or will we look slow, lethargic, caught between systems and make it a war if attrition for everyone to watch.

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Locotoro said:

This is the bit that I can't seem to understand.
Why do people assume that you have to aggressively go at your opponent and pin them back into their own penalty box in order to play good football. Liverpool don't do that, neither do Bayern. For some reason people/pundits have fallen for this notion that pure football should be to win possession (as Brendan Rodgers would say) and pass the opponent to death. It's almost the only sport I can think of where there is this idea of holding possession and having less possession somehow means you're being less aggressive or you're being dominated.

When did fast forward passes become relegated to boring?

I appreciate you've not said that per se but I think we shouldn't assume that being patient and selective in our press somehow makes us less capable.

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@Bobby__Lucky said:

Agree totally, it's the equivalent of slamming rope a dope boxers as poor fighters. I don't see how people find this method boring. It's about winning isn't it? Being clever? We've been down the road of highest stats, most possession and it was unsuccessful. All the best teams and by that I mean winners play smart. I think Jose is on to something good here, and really do wonder why people can't see it.

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Locotoro said:

This is the bit that I can't seem to understand.
Why do people assume that you have to aggressively go at your opponent and pin them back into their own penalty box in order to play good football. Liverpool don't do that, neither do Bayern. For some reason people/pundits have fallen for this notion that pure football should be to win possession (as Brendan Rodgers would say) and pass the opponent to death. It's almost the only sport I can think of where there is this idea of holding possession and having less possession somehow means you're being less aggressive or you're being dominated.

When did fast forward passes become relegated to boring?

I appreciate you've not said that per se but I think we shouldn't assume that being patient and selective in our press somehow makes us less capable.

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Locotoro said:

This is the bit that I can't seem to understand.
Why do people assume that you have to aggressively go at your opponent and pin them back into their own penalty box in order to play good football. Liverpool don't do that, neither do Bayern. For some reason people/pundits have fallen for this notion that pure football should be to win possession (as Brendan Rodgers would say) and pass the opponent to death. It's almost the only sport I can think of where there is this idea of holding possession and having less possession somehow means you're being less aggressive or you're being dominated.

When did fast forward passes become relegated to boring?

I appreciate you've not said that per se but I think we shouldn't assume that being patient and selective in our press somehow makes us less capable.

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Dembele'Disciple said:

This man has to go. We have a good squad just needs the right man in charge. Football has left him behind. We won't play the cluelessness of Southampton every game.

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kendoddsdadsdogsdead said:

I think it’s more the feeling that we look like we could concede at any time. There is no feeling of control in games. Counter attacking is great to watch but you do need to have the ability to work the ball out from defence through midfield and you do at times need to get hold of the ball. It’s exhausting playing when the other team has 70% possession. I haven’t checked but I’d be surprised if Liverpool and Bayern have similar possession stats to us and they definitely don’t sit as deep as us with as many men behind the ball. there is nothing better than a good counter attacking goal though.

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Albertbarich said:

There is more than one way to skin a cat of course but what you describe as being patient and selective in the press isn't what I'm seeing.

We lost at home to Everton. Forget this bollocks of preparation as they had three new midfielders and I mean new. What was the plan? How as a spurs fan could you take that anything else than negativity. And in the week getting through by the skin of our teeth. Was it convincing and by convincing I mean did we look like a top side who knew what were doing?

Yesterday. What part of that first half was the plan? Losing constant second balls? Being outpassed by at best a lower mid table side. Second half was fun but again nobody saw it coming and it was not like we blew them away. It was kane and son on the break. Most teams won't press that high, if they do id imagine they would have the sense to drop in when needed.

It certainly wasn't anywhere near as convincing as the result suggested.

To the wider point. Maybe you enjoy it but I despise the football. Genuinely I've never been so bored and depressed watching spurs as I have since he got here. Its awful awful football, overly negative and not even that effective. We have lost every big game under him bar the scum. Going to stamford Bridge and not even trying to win, Germany was embarrassing. Its awful awful football and according to the clubs own documentary its not even his plan! He kept saying push higher, get forward . We never do! I don't believe the documentary as I'm sure you don't but I also don't believe that in a league dominated by the brilliant aggressive play of Liverpool and the brilliance of man City that we should have to play such awful shit football.

If his name was Sam allerdyce we wouldn't be having this debate as 99% of the forum would be screaming blue murder , and this football is every bit as bad if not worse than an allerdyce team

Maybe it will change but it shows no signs of it so far. He will keep throwing players under the bus to deflect and demanding more players but to what end. Im a no nothing prick on a forum but listen to jeans yesterday. Obviously the goals turned it around but before that he was barely hiding his contempt for it.

Maybe I'm bias due to the football but I believe many have been blinded by mourinhos past. They think he guarantees trophies and are prepared to defend no matter what shit he serves up. Well im fsr from convinced we will even get top six and I don't want to watch this. I grew up on hoddle and waddle, gazza klinsmann and ginola. We have players of that quality now and id like to see them allowed to play.

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Sophos151 said:

We might be thinking of different games mate, the one I'm thinking about we had two shots on target.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43762296

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glacierSpurs said:

Anyone can say we have good players on paper and we should play better this and that all day. Sometimes even comparing with past seasons and assuming those players would have done a better job for us than Mourinho would is even more far fetch IMO. Because all talks of us not fulfilling our potential due to Mourinho is almost assuming that the rest of the 19 teams are constantly stagnating. Give credit where it's due - the rest of the teams have been improving and really no one team can be taken for granted that we should always be playing the perfect game against the supposed lower opponents.

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