Spurs Amazon Documentary?

yankspurs · Sep 1, 2020

wizgell said:
As many have already commented on Twitter, it does feel a bit like All Jose or Nothing.

Can't help but feel that Amazon lucked out with his appointment, It's clear that him joining the club made Amazon's narrative very easy and judging by the response on socials, having watched the first 3 episodes many are now swaying towards the Pro-Jose side of the coin which is great work just in time for the new season.

We see him being light hearted, putting an arm around players etc

We see him tear into Dele and Aurier and immediately both respond with game winning performances, which appears to be great motivational man management. But for some reason we don't get to see Poch trying to get a reaction from any of his squad when results were going wrong.

It’s All or Nothing: the Jose Mourinho show starring Smeagol and featuring a smattering of players.

N17paradise · Sep 1, 2020

Found the first 3 episodes very entertaining as a Spurs supporter.....most importantly what I have taken from the series so far is that in Jose Mourinho we have the ultimate professor of football management and what we had before in Poch was a student in the subject.

PaulM · Sep 1, 2020

swarvsta said:
When we beat Burnley 5-0, why do they say:

“First time a José Mourinho side has scored five goals in a game in any completion.” ??

Clearly total bullshit!

That was definitely said and struck me as unlikely but I haven't researched it. Off hand, I can't think of one of his teams ever scoring 5 though.

Edit: Yeah it's bollox. Happened with Chelsea and Madrid at a minimum.

SheffieldAndy · Sep 1, 2020

PaulM said:
That was definitely said and struck me as unlikely but I haven't researched it. Off hand, I can't think of one of his teams ever scoring 5 though.

Edit: Yeah it's bollox. Happened with Chelsea and Madrid at a minimum.

Beat Arsenal 6-0 in Wenger’s 1000th game ??

ljinko888 · Sep 1, 2020

Kane comes across a little awkward. As the star player he's got to be featured regularly but it's like he is reluctantly playing a role asked of him on camera.

dk-yid · Sep 1, 2020

Trix said:
I've come to realize some Spurs fans are like flat earthers. They make their minds up via Twitter ramblings and watching YT clips, and even if the chairman, manager, journo's, pundits and ITK all say opposite, it's all just PR spin from the club.

Not buying this. Sounds like more smoke and mirrors from the club...

?

sausage · Sep 1, 2020

guiltyparty said:
“I’ve got an idea!”

"Oops, oh no! Oops, oh no, no no! Oops, oh no!"

SonicSarr · Sep 1, 2020

sausage said:
"Oops, oh no! Oops, oh no, no no! Oops, oh no!"

This is a disaster and I don't know what to do ? ?

whitesocks · Sep 1, 2020

I'm very surprised that for such a clever man, he doesn't mention tactics at all except for Aurier to push up.
We are seemingly given no insight into one of europe's most successful managers.

It may well be that his assistants are charged with updating the players one to one at half time with fine detail of what is expected of them, where the threats and opportunities are. But we don't see that.

It might be that when you are dealing with international players on £100k+ pw, it is taken as read that they know when they need to adjust their position, and when to press; they can pick out the dangers and weaknesses, and know when to play longer or shorter. But we don't see the players discussing their choices.

Or it might be that as our most recent successful managers have said, tactics are just something fans talk about. They don't change the game very much. Management is about buying the right players and motivating them.

And Mourinho's special skill is exactly what we see - talking and quickly building close relationships with the players.

PaulM · Sep 1, 2020

whitesocks said:
I'm very surprised that for such a clever man, he doesn't mention tactics at all except for Aurier to push up.
We are seemingly given no insight into one of europe's most successful managers.

It may well be that his assistants are charged with updating the players one to one at half time with fine detail of what is expected of them, where the threats and opportunities are. But we don't see that.

It might be that when you are dealing with international players on £100k+ pw, it is taken as read that they know when they need to adjust their position, and when to press; they can pick out the dangers and weaknesses, and know when to play longer or shorter. But we don't see the players discussing their choices.

Or it might be that as our most recent successful managers have said, tactics are just something fans talk about. They don't change the game very much. Management is about buying the right players and motivating them.

And Mourinho's special skill is exactly what we see - talking and quickly building close relationships with the players.

I'd imagine the tactics conversations are cut. Jose doesn't want other managers knowing how he reacts to situations.

There's no way he's just saying "run around a bit". Former players have said he's very strong and detailed tactically.

SonicSarr · Sep 1, 2020

whitesocks said:
I'm very surprised that for such a clever man, he doesn't mention tactics at all except for Aurier to push up.
We are seemingly given no insight into one of europe's most successful managers.

It may well be that his assistants are charged with updating the players one to one at half time with fine detail of what is expected of them, where the threats and opportunities are. But we don't see that.

It might be that when you are dealing with international players on £100k+ pw, it is taken as read that they know when they need to adjust their position, and when to press; they can pick out the dangers and weaknesses, and know when to play longer or shorter. But we don't see the players discussing their choices.

Or it might be that as our most recent successful managers have said, tactics are just something fans talk about. They don't change the game very much. Management is about buying the right players and motivating them.

And Mourinho's special skill is exactly what we see - talking and quickly building close relationships with the players.

We may also not want to openly advertise exactly how we operate tactically to every other manager in the league. It is bad enough dealing with Bielsa sat in his Air balloon over the training ground with his military grade binoculars.

Jules77 · Sep 1, 2020

'O Zio said:
Jesus Christ the guy can't win with some of you. Complaining that he can't come up with some Churchillian war speech off the top of his head 3 times per game one minute, then when he does say something more substantial it's "Nah it's all staged, the whole thing is scripted"

Beggars belief.

Nope. The guy wins all day with me. I didn’t comment on his team talk. I commented that I thought the piece in the tactics room was staged. That says nothing about his ability to make a speech or be a leader. It’s a subjective comment about one moment. I just think that most of this is messaging and PR, I’m not criticising anyone.... it’s my club, my players, I love them all...

Spurs_Bear · Sep 1, 2020

Kane's teamtalks really remind me of the scene with dirty talk from the Inbetweeners.

"I'M GOING TO FUCK YOUR FUCKING FANNY OFF YOU TWAT"

NickHSpurs · Sep 1, 2020

Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but The Fighting Cock podcast had two of the producers on and asked why there was so little footage of Poch being sacked. They said that unfortunately because it was an international break there was no crew on site.

Trix · Sep 1, 2020

whitesocks said:
I'm very surprised that for such a clever man, he doesn't mention tactics at all except for Aurier to push up.
We are seemingly given no insight into one of europe's most successful managers.

It may well be that his assistants are charged with updating the players one to one at half time with fine detail of what is expected of them, where the threats and opportunities are. But we don't see that.

It might be that when you are dealing with international players on £100k+ pw, it is taken as read that they know when they need to adjust their position, and when to press; they can pick out the dangers and weaknesses, and know when to play longer or shorter. But we don't see the players discussing their choices.

Or it might be that as our most recent successful managers have said, tactics are just something fans talk about. They don't change the game very much. Management is about buying the right players and motivating them.

And Mourinho's special skill is exactly what we see - talking and quickly building close relationships with the players.

Plenty of time to go yet mate. Remember his first month or so was purely about motivation and building confidence. I'm sure we'll see more regarding tactics and other players, not yet given much screen time.

Archibald&Crooks · Sep 1, 2020

NickHSpurs said:
Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but The Fighting Cock podcast had two of the producers on and asked why there was so little footage of Poch being sacked. They said that unfortunately because it was an international break there was no crew on site.

pfffft! Surely they could have just got them in and re-enacted the whole thing when everyone returned :cautious:

Doesn't anyone at the club actually want to win a fucking BAFTA? No wonder we can't win a cup with that sort of mentality.

spids · Sep 1, 2020

I think the tactics are definitely left out on purpose. You can see from what he writes on his pads and from the screens in the tactics room that there are specific instructions tailored for the opposition. In one scene JM is writing out a list of markers for set pieces for example. In the 5 mins before a game, and the 5 mins at HT when he is shown speaking to the team, this is purely devised to give the players confidence and motivation.

SandroClegane · Sep 1, 2020

Spurs_Bear said:
It's good how they try to create an atmosphere by having the cleaners look like they are all sullenly cleaning the managers office ready for Jose's arrival...his crates can already be seen in the corner.

But I guess that's silly to suggest that bit was staged and for the cameras. Probably just "slightly edited".

So are they not supposed to clean out the office before Jose moves into it? Just because his stuff is there already doesn't mean they shouldn't clean, they probably did it the morning of his arrival.

fishhhandaricecake · Sep 1, 2020

PaulM said:
That was definitely said and struck me as unlikely but I haven't researched it. Off hand, I can't think of one of his teams ever scoring 5 though.

Edit: Yeah it's bollox. Happened with Chelsea and Madrid at a minimum.

Yea was thinking the same and that it couldn't be the case. They probably meant first time his Tottenham team have scored 5 in any comp.

fishhhandaricecake · Sep 1, 2020

whitesocks said:
I'm very surprised that for such a clever man, he doesn't mention tactics at all except for Aurier to push up.
We are seemingly given no insight into one of europe's most successful managers.

It may well be that his assistants are charged with updating the players one to one at half time with fine detail of what is expected of them, where the threats and opportunities are. But we don't see that.

It might be that when you are dealing with international players on £100k+ pw, it is taken as read that they know when they need to adjust their position, and when to press; they can pick out the dangers and weaknesses, and know when to play longer or shorter. But we don't see the players discussing their choices.

Or it might be that as our most recent successful managers have said, tactics are just something fans talk about. They don't change the game very much. Management is about buying the right players and motivating them.

And Mourinho's special skill is exactly what we see - talking and quickly building close relationships with the players.

I think they've so far hidden a lot of the in depth tactical discussions tbh probably at the request of Jose and Levy. Jose clearly does a lot of tactical work on the training ground as well so during the matches they won't be going into detail as players should've been briefed already in team meetings etc.

Jose's focus will have primarily been to give the team confidence again and then slowly start to implement more tactical changes over time.

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