SecretLemonadeDrinker
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Jose Mourinho
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Japhet
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You say that but how do we know that you aren’t Zlatan?
Zlatan would never claim to be anyone other than Zlatan because Zlatan is perfect.
mattyspurs
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You can’t post that! I remember back In the day @BringBack_leGin crying his eyes out about this. He was a proper Barca fanboy back in the day.
You’ll set him off again!
BringBack_leGin
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Very good memory (and very nice to see you posting).
Yup, I absolutely hated this, that Barca side was and still is the greatest side I’d ever seen, was gutted to see them go out to a side that refused to attack.
Also got screwed by the ref.
Shadydan
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You say that but how do we know that you aren’t Zlatan?
Zlatan is here. Steve can’t be Zlatan. Steve is great but Steve is human.
LeParisien
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I was an inter fan at this point (whilst working at spurs!). I remember it well.
The strategy on Messi was good too. Zanetti and Cambiasso did a job.
In truth thought it was a side at their mental and tactical peak. Far more of an army than even Chelsea. Zanetti, Cambiasso, Lucio, Samuel, Chivu, Stankovic, Thiago Motta, Milito. South American and Eastern European soldiers who were technically very good - like a team full of Højbjergs if he starts manning up a bit.
The first half strategy was to sit deep and contain playing on the counter. In the second half Mourinho pushed the defensive line up 30m. The counter attacking throughout was amazing with an emphasis on cross field switches.
The strategy on Messi was good too. Zanetti and Cambiasso did a job.
In truth thought it was a side at their mental and tactical peak. Far more of an army than even Chelsea. Zanetti, Cambiasso, Lucio, Samuel, Chivu, Stankovic, Thiago Motta, Milito. South American and Eastern European soldiers who were technically very good - like a team full of Højbjergs if he starts manning up a bit.
How many teams beat Barca 3-1 that year? And if you want to mention the ref, with VAR Motta doesn’t get sent off. Biscuits gets a yellow.
LeParisien
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But my favourite memory of that year is lucio stuck by the touch line being hemmed in by drogba and then him turning and nutmegging drogba and gliding on.
Inter beat the champions of England, Russia, Spain and Germany on their way to winning.
Inter beat the champions of England, Russia, Spain and Germany on their way to winning.
rossdapep
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I was on holiday with a group of United fans last week, all equally hated Jose's time at the club by the end. However I asked them if they thought he was screwed by the club to which only one really believed so, the others were 50/50. I do believe though that things were not set up there to see the best of Jose, he was still building the blocks when stuff turned sour and I believe that by summer 2018 he was just waiting for the pay off due to Woodward not getting him a CB. Which the club were happy to do as soon as he was out the door....but weird that.
I also think Jose has a huge advantage with us compared to United.
He joined us mid season with many problems to fix and a squad low on morale and belief. This has given him time to get players to believe in him, assess the entire squad under little pressure, find our areas of weakness and strengths, he's also had time to work on strategy without the massive demands a club like United have in regards to getting results immediately. I believe it's allowed him to get his feet firmly under the table, build trust with the squad and allow him to make decisions (with Levy) with more clarity.
Compare that to his time at United in which he only started to discover player limitations at the end of his first year (during the season), struggled to get players to respond to his methods as some United players were on high salaries and very demanding. He also probably signed players without seeing the full picture on what United really needed to improve. Many rushed signings seemed to be made simply because they were big players and they thought they'd change the complexion of the team quickly. Not too mention he inherited a bloated squad and didn't have time to assess them so he could get rid of players in his first window.
The difference between him and Pep at City was that when Pep realised his squad wasn't going to cut it, he was allowed to sell who he felt needed to go and he got another 300m to spend.
Jose got told that some players were indispensable (Pogba, Martial) and he couldn't have more money to rectify the squad.
I just think before this season finished he would have been sitting there with a clear picture in his mind. The fact that he said that he'd left the club with a portfolio of players, in a calm manner, leads me to believe we have a much more focused and doubt-free Jose.
I also think Jose has a huge advantage with us compared to United.
He joined us mid season with many problems to fix and a squad low on morale and belief. This has given him time to get players to believe in him, assess the entire squad under little pressure, find our areas of weakness and strengths, he's also had time to work on strategy without the massive demands a club like United have in regards to getting results immediately. I believe it's allowed him to get his feet firmly under the table, build trust with the squad and allow him to make decisions (with Levy) with more clarity.
Compare that to his time at United in which he only started to discover player limitations at the end of his first year (during the season), struggled to get players to respond to his methods as some United players were on high salaries and very demanding. He also probably signed players without seeing the full picture on what United really needed to improve. Many rushed signings seemed to be made simply because they were big players and they thought they'd change the complexion of the team quickly. Not too mention he inherited a bloated squad and didn't have time to assess them so he could get rid of players in his first window.
The difference between him and Pep at City was that when Pep realised his squad wasn't going to cut it, he was allowed to sell who he felt needed to go and he got another 300m to spend.
Jose got told that some players were indispensable (Pogba, Martial) and he couldn't have more money to rectify the squad.
I just think before this season finished he would have been sitting there with a clear picture in his mind. The fact that he said that he'd left the club with a portfolio of players, in a calm manner, leads me to believe we have a much more focused and doubt-free Jose.
emiley heskey
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When jose said he would leave the club with a portfolio of players?
McFlash
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Think it's referring to us, this summer.
Jose apparently handed Levy a dossier of in depth reports on targets, before the little break we're currently having.
hellava_tough
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Another benefit is Jose and Levy's relationship being tighter than Jose and Woodward.
Jose said (in an interview with Bein Sports, posted on here a few pages back) that he would never join a club in the future, unless all parties were very clear on what was to be achieved and what could be achieved.
Additionally, this is the first manager that Levy has hired where the power dynamic is more or less equal. I think that will help the club tbh.
RichieS
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Does anyone else think that José has already given more insight into how the club operates transfer-wise than those that have gone before him? It might just be his self-preservation instinct that's led him to give the information he has, but I've found his nuggets about the types of deals we're looking to do interesting.
To me it sounds like he's done his analysis of the squad and then sat down with Steve Hitchen to come up with realistic/attainable targets in each of the priority areas. From that I infer that he trusts the scouts (and the work that's already gone on to find out who we could get) and that he fully understands his role within the overall structure. I also found the Bergwijn signing interesting as it happened so soon after he came in and was a deal we'd been linked with previously (possibly 2 years ago). It was almost as though he asked for an AM that could do x, y and z and Hitchen came back saying he knew we could get Bergwijn, so José went with that.
To me it sounds like he's done his analysis of the squad and then sat down with Steve Hitchen to come up with realistic/attainable targets in each of the priority areas. From that I infer that he trusts the scouts (and the work that's already gone on to find out who we could get) and that he fully understands his role within the overall structure. I also found the Bergwijn signing interesting as it happened so soon after he came in and was a deal we'd been linked with previously (possibly 2 years ago). It was almost as though he asked for an AM that could do x, y and z and Hitchen came back saying he knew we could get Bergwijn, so José went with that.
fishhhandaricecake
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Interested to know the feeling of the majority of our fanbase now on Jose?
Before lockdown things were pretty toxic, lots of injuries, poor run of results and performances and a seeming falling out with ndombele, the original ney sayers and Poch loyalists were filling their boots, whilst the staunch Jose lovers were preaching patience, others were somewhere in between.
Then from the restart we got a few good results but things got a bit negative again after sheff.utd and Bournemouth even though we’d become more solid and there were clear signs of improvement.
Fast forward to the end of restart and end of the season and we’d gone on a pretty good run, unbeaten in 5/6 I think and snuck into 6th place. Jose also seems to have a clear plan and ITK’s this summer seem very positive about his approach with Levy and we’ve seemingly signed his top target already.
More time has now passed so are the Poch loyalists slowly starting to move on from their lovein and are the ones who were against his appointment from the word go starting to come around or are those ones just sticking to their guns and waiting to get a chance to beat him with a stick at any new given opportunity.
Personally I loved Poch but felt it was 100% the right time to part ways and couldn’t think of many better appointments than a refreshed and remotivaed Jose. Sure we’d need to get used to a new style but the guy has won it all. The original excitement of his press conferences and the first match away win at West Ham vindicated my excitement, I was a bit downbeat when he got outclassed at home to Chelsea by his pupil fat frank and then the injuries to son sissoko Kane etc came, the wheels feel off the momentum went, we couldn’t win a game and the football was shit, I was very demoralised and started to question his appointment but to be fair a lot agreed at that point and things were getting very toxic in the fan base towards Jose and the club but some preached patience.
During restart I was so impressed how we played vs Man.u and could see some real positives and then fast forward to Bournemouth it was one of the worst games I’ve ever watched and I now really questioned the style of play. Since then we went on a really great run, beat the gooners in a great tactical display and have played some decent stuff but importantly got some
Great results which gives us good momentum going into next season. Im now very optimistic and starting to think the call of patcience was a good one and that with the players back from injury we did look a different team and If Jose can get in 3-5 players to mould the squad I think the results could be very promising next season and they style of play should improve a little as well.
So how’s everyone else feeing now about the Spurscial one?
Before lockdown things were pretty toxic, lots of injuries, poor run of results and performances and a seeming falling out with ndombele, the original ney sayers and Poch loyalists were filling their boots, whilst the staunch Jose lovers were preaching patience, others were somewhere in between.
Then from the restart we got a few good results but things got a bit negative again after sheff.utd and Bournemouth even though we’d become more solid and there were clear signs of improvement.
Fast forward to the end of restart and end of the season and we’d gone on a pretty good run, unbeaten in 5/6 I think and snuck into 6th place. Jose also seems to have a clear plan and ITK’s this summer seem very positive about his approach with Levy and we’ve seemingly signed his top target already.
More time has now passed so are the Poch loyalists slowly starting to move on from their lovein and are the ones who were against his appointment from the word go starting to come around or are those ones just sticking to their guns and waiting to get a chance to beat him with a stick at any new given opportunity.
Personally I loved Poch but felt it was 100% the right time to part ways and couldn’t think of many better appointments than a refreshed and remotivaed Jose. Sure we’d need to get used to a new style but the guy has won it all. The original excitement of his press conferences and the first match away win at West Ham vindicated my excitement, I was a bit downbeat when he got outclassed at home to Chelsea by his pupil fat frank and then the injuries to son sissoko Kane etc came, the wheels feel off the momentum went, we couldn’t win a game and the football was shit, I was very demoralised and started to question his appointment but to be fair a lot agreed at that point and things were getting very toxic in the fan base towards Jose and the club but some preached patience.
During restart I was so impressed how we played vs Man.u and could see some real positives and then fast forward to Bournemouth it was one of the worst games I’ve ever watched and I now really questioned the style of play. Since then we went on a really great run, beat the gooners in a great tactical display and have played some decent stuff but importantly got some
Great results which gives us good momentum going into next season. Im now very optimistic and starting to think the call of patcience was a good one and that with the players back from injury we did look a different team and If Jose can get in 3-5 players to mould the squad I think the results could be very promising next season and they style of play should improve a little as well.
So how’s everyone else feeing now about the Spurscial one?
walworthyid
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Its interesting, I've very much been in the "dont like him, never have, never will, can he please leave our club ASAP" camp. I was initially impressed with the way he adapted to our squad, the aurier hinged right-back idea etc but was completely underwhelmed by the football. Underwhelmed is probably an understatement. Its been turgid for the most part. However, I've come to understand that tactical changes are not easy especially in a demoralised squad ravaged with injuries and who have been together for a long time under 1 manager. It takes time, it takes player recruitment and coming in mid-season doesnt really allow much time for either.
Post lockdown there have clearly been signs of improvement. We are much more solid and only really conceded exceptional goals. Our counterattacking play has been much improved. I still struggle to understand why he gives up the ball and territory so readily or why when we get on top he doesn't allow us to press it home and go for it.
It is clear though that with the right players, jose still knows how to produce winning football. We have bought a cm that will allow us more flexibility. But we absolutely need 2 new fullbacks, Aurier is atrocious imo. He can't beat a player, can't defend, has no positional sense and makes at least one big mistake every single game. Davies is solid, but nowhere near good enough. I don't think I've ever seen a player give the ball away so much. Fullback is a hugely important position in modern football and if we want to be a top team, we need top fullbacks. We also need a cb and a back up striker if we are to really challenge next season.
He needs to find a way to get ndombele fit and playing too!
I'm prepared to give him a year.
spursfan77
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I agree about his time at Man Utd and said a lot about him being hung out to dry there during the end (whilst not helping himself) but so much depends on the transfer window. I really wouldn’t be confident as to how next season will go without seeing who he gets in (and importantly out) before it starts. He will want his players in before that but we know he won’t get them. So let’s see how that effects things. I think he can get top 4 with the current squad, but we all want more than that don’t we.
spursfan77
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I agree with everything you say but he’s going to need longer than a year to get us back challenging for the league. We won’t do all the transfers we need to do this window. For example, the left back position. Whilst I agree it needs to be improved on, there’s other positions in the team that need greater surgery. So I don’t think we will address that for another 12 months unless something drops in our laps.
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That's where I still am.
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