Matthew
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for every n'jie there's a dele though, so im not fussed on taking punts for 5 million. its the 50m weve spent on a player who seemingly cant be arsed.
Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele
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for every n'jie there's a dele though, so im not fussed on taking punts for 5 million. its the 50m weve spent on a player who seemingly cant be arsed.
brasil_spur
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I'd be less pissed off than having him sit on the bench all season with Sissoko playing instead.
Im not in the sell I believe he has everything but if he really don’t want to be here and isn’t willing to put any effort in to get fit and play for us then
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DiVaio
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This number are wrong. We paid 60+10.
topper
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Did we?
topper
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And to be fair Dragon1 doesn't post often but as ITK is fairly reliable from what I can remember.
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Yeah, we used to buy and train players and make them into stars, now we buy expensive, slow build, fixer uppers.
DiVaio
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he is you know!
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I’m not sure how I feel about his status as a Tottenham player. It’s hard to second guess the reasons behind his largely unsuccessful transition so far to the Premier League without having actual facts to substantiate why it’s been so poor. Is he carrying an injury that hasn’t been diagnosed or properly treated yet? Is he struggling to adapt in a new country? Is his mental well-being suffering? Is he arrogant and entitled? It’s not clear yet, but he has faced adversity in the past and showed a willingness to drop down a level as a footballer to develop his game so it’s not as though sacrifice and application are anathema to him.
It’s a very tricky situation: do we sell early to recoup as much of our outlay as possible and reinvest it back into the squad, or do we show patience and faith in his potential to come good? If he does come good, we have an excellent player on our hands, a press resistant central midfielder who would be a vital cog in a Mourinho counterattacking team, someone who could transition defence to attack quickly and effectively , a player that can unleash the lethal threats of Kane and Son. Or does he continue to flounder, while our asset depreciates, meaning another wasted season and less funds to reinvest in a squad that needs rebuilding?
Whatever the answers, Ndombele has to make the switch from meaningless luxury item to a vital piece of our team, and he needs to do this soon. We’re not a club that can afford too much patience, we just don’t have the resources
It’s a very tricky situation: do we sell early to recoup as much of our outlay as possible and reinvest it back into the squad, or do we show patience and faith in his potential to come good? If he does come good, we have an excellent player on our hands, a press resistant central midfielder who would be a vital cog in a Mourinho counterattacking team, someone who could transition defence to attack quickly and effectively , a player that can unleash the lethal threats of Kane and Son. Or does he continue to flounder, while our asset depreciates, meaning another wasted season and less funds to reinvest in a squad that needs rebuilding?
Whatever the answers, Ndombele has to make the switch from meaningless luxury item to a vital piece of our team, and he needs to do this soon. We’re not a club that can afford too much patience, we just don’t have the resources
DiVaio
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If he's talking £ than it should be 55 plus potential ~8 in bonuses
Fair to say he didn't hit the ground running, but selling him after just one season when so many things happen is a mistake. He is in a new country, he didn't know the language, he had so many small injuries, we changed the coach in the meantime, COVID. Maybe he just wasn't mentally ready for all this. We hear a lot of rumors but he never refused to train, he never said anything stupid to the press. Just look at him as a person for a moment and not a row in a players squad list. He may turn out not to be good enough. But considering his talent it would be stupid to give up on him after one such strange and difficult season.
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He might just be one of those players who needs games to build fitness. Similar to how Kane can look a bit static for a few weeks until he gets games in his legs. He’s not fat, that’s just his body shape. If Mourinho is not going to give him that chance we can’t just have him sitting for two years though.
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At the end of the day, I want what's best for the team.
If Ndombele hasn't been showing enough and hasn't been showing adequate fitness we should be open to the idea as we need to get players in who want to be here and who fit in with what we are trying to do.
I keep hearing people say that he is worth holding on to and that they expect him to be a huge player. That may come to fruition but I'm not so certain.
We've been told he's always had issues with attitude and mentality, as well as fitness. Do you really want to pin your hopes on someone like that?
Look at Liverpool's midfield...You wouldn't say that any of them are special players, very good players but none have the elegance of Ndombele (maybe Fabinho) yet they all have a fantastic mentality and can be trusted to battle, play the way Klopp wants and last 90 mins.
Ndombele is sublime with the ball - there's no doubt about that. But that's only 50% of the requirement. He needs to be disciplined and drop into position, he needs to continuously move off the ball, he needs to show desire, he needs to ensure he's not easy to play around, he needs to be trusted to play 90 mins with focus and energy, he needs to be making more tackles and interceptions, he needs to have the trust of his teammates. etc etc.
But most importantly he needs to show a winning mentality.
If he's not showing any of these in abundance then there's nothing to work with.
I hope that he has shown Jose enough and that with a bit more time he will have these aspects but if Jose isn't seeing it (and only Jose and his coaches will be able to tell) then it would be better for the club to get that money to invest appropriately elsewhere.
For example, we may be able to get Skriniar and Eze with the sale and not only do we gain a superb CB, we also get a highly promising creative player who is just as technically gifted as Ndombele and may be easier to mould.
If Ndombele hasn't been showing enough and hasn't been showing adequate fitness we should be open to the idea as we need to get players in who want to be here and who fit in with what we are trying to do.
I keep hearing people say that he is worth holding on to and that they expect him to be a huge player. That may come to fruition but I'm not so certain.
We've been told he's always had issues with attitude and mentality, as well as fitness. Do you really want to pin your hopes on someone like that?
Look at Liverpool's midfield...You wouldn't say that any of them are special players, very good players but none have the elegance of Ndombele (maybe Fabinho) yet they all have a fantastic mentality and can be trusted to battle, play the way Klopp wants and last 90 mins.
Ndombele is sublime with the ball - there's no doubt about that. But that's only 50% of the requirement. He needs to be disciplined and drop into position, he needs to continuously move off the ball, he needs to show desire, he needs to ensure he's not easy to play around, he needs to be trusted to play 90 mins with focus and energy, he needs to be making more tackles and interceptions, he needs to have the trust of his teammates. etc etc.
But most importantly he needs to show a winning mentality.
If he's not showing any of these in abundance then there's nothing to work with.
I hope that he has shown Jose enough and that with a bit more time he will have these aspects but if Jose isn't seeing it (and only Jose and his coaches will be able to tell) then it would be better for the club to get that money to invest appropriately elsewhere.
For example, we may be able to get Skriniar and Eze with the sale and not only do we gain a superb CB, we also get a highly promising creative player who is just as technically gifted as Ndombele and may be easier to mould.
There is a disparity in reporting because I imagine the club and player's camp are at differing view points. The club's reporters are trotting out the party line that Ndombele is staying but the reason Romano is reporting interest on the continent is that Tanguy's camp is out there trying to see what the options are.
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All the talent in the world is one thing, how committed to training and using it is another. I’m not against the idea it was a settling in season etc, but you do have to ask questions of the blokes commitment and attitude at this point.
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I must admit because fees get reported so many different ways from different sources, I get confused as to what to believe.
E.g. Sanchez is continually called £42m, whereas the initial was 28 and the majority of add-ons are supposed to be unachievable. Transfermakt are now calling it £36m!
I like to imagine Daniel hoarded millions of Euros at peak value to the £ in an underground vault, codename WHEELBARROW
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Very much hoping we keep him as he's a huge talent but it's down to Mourinho and what he thinks really.
This guy wants a team capable of winning next season.
So depends if he sees Ndombele as genuinely contributing or not.
Hoping he does obviously.
This guy wants a team capable of winning next season.
So depends if he sees Ndombele as genuinely contributing or not.
Hoping he does obviously.
To a a few here at Spurs Community: Eat your hearts out. Cant wait for you all to eat crow.
To Fabrizio Romano(who everyone things is unfallible for some odd reason): Eat shit. Get better sources.
To Jose: Dont fuck this up like you did Salah & KdB. Give him games and give him time.
To Fabrizio Romano(who everyone things is unfallible for some odd reason): Eat shit. Get better sources.
To Jose: Dont fuck this up like you did Salah & KdB. Give him games and give him time.
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Many wrote Bale off.
Many wrote Kane off.
I didn’t think Eriksen was good enough.
Most thought Rose was crap.
Loads wrote Lloris off last season.
Carrick ‘never did enough’ for so many.
Somehow there was always a chunk who couldn’t see what Modric brought to the team.
Berbatov ‘was lazy’
George Graham got rid of the mercurial Daveed, because he didn’t work hard enough. How many thought that was a good idea?
We should build the midfield around Ndombele. He was one of our few highlights at the beginning of the season. Give him a proper chance on the pitch - if he doesn’t take it then fine. But I don’t believe he’s had that this year.
Many wrote Kane off.
I didn’t think Eriksen was good enough.
Most thought Rose was crap.
Loads wrote Lloris off last season.
Carrick ‘never did enough’ for so many.
Somehow there was always a chunk who couldn’t see what Modric brought to the team.
Berbatov ‘was lazy’
George Graham got rid of the mercurial Daveed, because he didn’t work hard enough. How many thought that was a good idea?
We should build the midfield around Ndombele. He was one of our few highlights at the beginning of the season. Give him a proper chance on the pitch - if he doesn’t take it then fine. But I don’t believe he’s had that this year.
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