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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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Is it arrogance? Arrogance is the absence of asking questions so you're suggesting that I'm not thinking critically.

I'm trying not to chuck around cliches and almost every post on the subject has included questions, both direct and rhetorical.

My questions for Jose are

1. Are you able to coach an entertaining style of football?
2. Are you capable if winning if you don't have the best squad or finances to completely rebuild?
3. Is this appointment a cultural fit?
4. What will happen if this fails?

Pretty good questions I think.

So far the answers I've had have been around Potter being undesirable. Are people being deliberately obtuse because the debate makes them uncomfortable?

I'm genuinely trying not to be arrogant, please don't call me that unless you can explain how.
Tricky to know unless he's asked those questions in an interview; however I would say (being Jose):

1. This is a fan related question, it is my job to get results.
2. I am confident that I can win silverware with this team. I have said this before.
3. I respect Spurs history but Spurs history is not my history - this again is a fan point of view related question.
4. I did not take this job to fail. I am not accustomed to failure.
 

Stamford

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Sep 15, 2015
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Is it arrogance? Arrogance is the absence of asking questions so you're suggesting that I'm not thinking critically.

I'm trying not to chuck around cliches and almost every post on the subject has included questions, both direct and rhetorical.

My questions for Jose are

1. Are you able to coach an entertaining style of football?
2. Are you capable if winning if you don't have the best squad or finances to completely rebuild?
3. Is this appointment a cultural fit?
4. What will happen if this fails?

Pretty good questions I think.

So far the answers I've had have been around Potter being undesirable. Are people being deliberately obtuse because the debate makes them uncomfortable?

I'm genuinely trying not to be arrogant, please don't call me that unless you can explain how.

I didn't call you specifically arrogant so I don't know why you've taken this so personally but there is a general arrogance from our fans yeah. Loads of our fans think we're above the Europa League for instance having won nothing of note for decades. To your points the only thing that I think matters is if we are winning and consistently, he's shown in the past he can win without the best squad. I dont think he's a cultural fit but Poch was the perfect fit and we won nothing. Every manager fails at the end or gets moved on, thats just the nature of the game
 

Stamford

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Sep 15, 2015
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I disagree in fact. I think "the way" is rather important and when it is not evident in style of play and club management, fans tend to be rather unhappy (for instance AVB period, which actually wasn't THAT bad). Maybe it is true that we all would be happy if we won a title regardless of "way", but that's a moot point since we aren't near that level.
For me, "Spurs way" is financially sound, uncovering of unknown footballer gems, hard effort on the pitch and stylish bravery throughout. When we are not brave, when the football is dull, when we have stale and dates players, and we are not winning anything, as in not even most games, then what is left?

So many clubs could say thats their way though. West Ham think they have a way. Having a way doesn't win you anything and football identities change over time, look at Arsenal for instance. The thing that identifies us for me is the fans and our location and our history. Would be nice if that history included more trophies
 

kremlyn

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Jul 30, 2004
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I didn't call you specifically arrogant so I don't know why you've taken this so personally but there is a general arrogance from our fans yeah. Loads of our fans think we're above the Europa League for instance having won nothing of note for decades. To your points the only thing that I think matters is if we are winning and consistently, he's shown in the past he can win without the best squad. I dont think he's a cultural fit but Poch was the perfect fit and we won nothing. Every manager fails at the end or gets moved on, thats just the nature of the game
I don't think he has. He had the best squad in the league at Chelsea, Madrid (1st equal), Inter and Porto. Only at Man U did he not, a team which also don't play on the back foot and it was a turgid, grinding affair of attrition. Interestingly he alienated the club record signing in the process.

Also Fergie, shankly, paisley didn't fail in the end but I take your point. My next question is whether Poch had reached his natural end or did the failure to address the recruitment needs in the squad make his end inevitable.

The single best defensive coach can't shore up our knackered back line. So the question is really should we have hired a defensive manager or provided the previous one with better defenders?
 

thekneaf

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Jan 18, 2011
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And I agree, but I'm really worried that this will end badly and not just for the short term.
That was Manchester United's fear. Turns out counter to the narrative he left then better than he found them and he even told them what CB to buy to fix it.

At worst we'll "survive" Jose like we survived all the other egotistical managers we've had.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Jul 28, 2004
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I don't think he has. He had the best squad in the league at Chelsea, Madrid (1st equal), Inter and Porto. Only at Man U did he not, a team which also don't play on the back foot and it was a turgid, grinding affair of attrition. Interestingly he alienated the club record signing in the process.

Also Fergie, shankly, paisley didn't fail in the end but I take your point. My next question is whether Poch had reached his natural end or did the failure to address the recruitment needs in the squad make his end inevitable.

The single best defensive coach can't shore up our knackered back line. So the question is really should we have hired a defensive manager or provided the previous one with better defenders?
His Chelsea squad was relatively recently assembled and lacked familiarity, and he won his first title off of a defending Arsenal dude who’d not loser a League match in well over a season, not to mention there was still a strong Man Utd still able to call on Giggs, Scholes, Keane (admittedly ageing), Van Nistelrooy and the young Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo,

Money and inherited squads have clearly helped but it still takes a very good manager to win the league.

As for Inter, he may have had the best Serie A side, but he certainly didn’t have the best side in Europe, probably not even top 5 when you consider the strength of the English sides, Barca, Madrid and Bayern at that time,
 

Stamford

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Sep 15, 2015
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I don't think he has. He had the best squad in the league at Chelsea, Madrid (1st equal), Inter and Porto. Only at Man U did he not, a team which also don't play on the back foot and it was a turgid, grinding affair of attrition. Interestingly he alienated the club record signing in the process.

Also Fergie, shankly, paisley didn't fail in the end but I take your point. My next question is whether Poch had reached his natural end or did the failure to address the recruitment needs in the squad make his end inevitable.

The single best defensive coach can't shore up our knackered back line. So the question is really should we have hired a defensive manager or provided the previous one with better defenders?

But with Porto he took them all the way against better teams to win a Champions league as he did with Inter also. I think Poch honestly gave up, he's said as much himself and honestly I personally was sick of him even before Madrid. He was moaning every week and threatening to leave and his response to losing in Madrid and flying off alone and sulking says a lot.

Jose has shored up the defence though. All the stats show that before he came in we were facing an insane amount of shots and also individual mistakes. I honestly think we look far far better than we previously did back there. I do think they both need better players but something had gone very wrong with Poch in December 2018 onwards. We were picking up last minute winners over Christmas and in Jan in games we were battered in
 

jay2040

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Aug 31, 2012
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Is it arrogance? Arrogance is the absence of asking questions so you're suggesting that I'm not thinking critically.

I'm trying not to chuck around cliches and almost every post on the subject has included questions, both direct and rhetorical.

My questions for Jose are

1. Are you able to coach an entertaining style of football?
2. Are you capable if winning if you don't have the best squad or finances to completely rebuild?
3. Is this appointment a cultural fit?
4. What will happen if this fails?

Pretty good questions I think.

So far the answers I've had have been around Potter being undesirable. Are people being deliberately obtuse because the debate makes them uncomfortable?

I'm genuinely trying not to be arrogant, please don't call me that unless you can explain how.

You are arrogant as you think you are worthy enough to ask him questions . Look at his achievements and look at ours over the same time. We are lucky he came to us and we weren't stuck with someone who does not have the winning experience or mentality.
 

CornerPinDreamer

up in the cheap seats
Aug 20, 2013
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You are arrogant as you think you are worthy enough to ask him questions . Look at his achievements and look at ours over the same time. We are lucky he came to us and we weren't stuck with someone who does not have the winning experience or mentality.


We pay his fucking salary. I’ve been A fan longer than Jose has known a team called Spurs exist. We can ask any questions we fucking want.. jesus wept
 

emiley heskey

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Jul 3, 2020
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"I think Tottenham slowly changing the way they play."

"When (Mauricio) Pochettino was there it was different. Mourinho's come in and he plays a different way. But if he'd have won that game [against Bournemouth] 1-0, he would have been happy as Larry. He doesn't want to be involved in 5-2s and 6-3s.

"He talks exactly the same as (Mikel) Arteta. If you're good defensively, you've got much more chance of winning football matches."

"I think he's just starting to put his footprint on this team and I think they are going to be very hard to beat. They're not going to be the entertaining team, but that's the way it is.

"Mourinho has won everything in the game. You don't go into Tottenham and change your way of playing for players who have never won anything. You make sure that they play your way and you win them trophies.

"People go, 'you can't win like that anymore, winning 1-0 and 2-0'. But You can, believe me. No one ever wins anything with a bad defence."

"They were going for Premier League titles and Champions Leagues for the last two or three years, so of course they are still in decline at the moment," he said.

"But with Mourinho there, he will turn it around. He will, but they have to play his way."

"Tottenham aren't going to be a free-flowing side. But they've got to trust Mourinho and have faith, because this man has won everything and they've won nothing."

Paul Merson
 
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jimbo

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Dec 22, 2003
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It could be that certain people post at certain times. I think the discussion in this thread has been a decent read from both sides.

I'm not sure about that, it's 750+ pages of some people saying he's bound to fail and must go now and some people saying half a season is too little/early to judge him on.
 

WinksyBoy

How does one change one's username....?
Jun 26, 2020
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You are arrogant as you think you are worthy enough to ask him questions . Look at his achievements and look at ours over the same time. We are lucky he came to us and we weren't stuck with someone who does not have the winning experience or mentality.
Do you think the manager is above questioning and/or criticism from fans? Really?
 

thekneaf

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Jan 18, 2011
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"I think Tottenham slowly changing the way they play."

"When (Mauricio) Pochettino was there it was different. Mourinho's come in and he plays a different way. But if he'd have won that game [against Bournemouth] 1-0, he would have been happy as Larry. He doesn't want to be involved in 5-2s and 6-3s.

"He talks exactly the same as (Mikel) Arteta. If you're good defensively, you've got much more chance of winning football matches."

"I think he's just starting to put his footprint on this team and I think they are going to be very hard to beat. They're not going to be the entertaining team, but that's the way it is.

"Mourinho has won everything in the game. You don't go into Tottenham and change your way of playing for players who have never won anything. You make sure that they play your way and you win them trophies.

"People go, 'you can't win like that anymore, winning 1-0 and 2-0'. But You can, believe me. No one ever wins anything with a bad defence."

"They were going for Premier League titles and Champions Leagues for the last two or three years, so of course they are still in decline at the moment," he said.

"But with Mourinho there, he will turn it around. He will, but they have to play his way."

"Tottenham aren't going to be a free-flowing side. But they've got to trust Mourinho and have faith, because this man has won everything and they've won nothing."

Paul Merson


https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid.../somebody-big-will-come-calling-for-kane-soon
*Grenade pun pinned and rolled into thread*
 

Qualsonic

Good Grief
Nov 24, 2010
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"I think Tottenham slowly changing the way they play."

"When (Mauricio) Pochettino was there it was different. Mourinho's come in and he plays a different way. But if he'd have won that game [against Bournemouth] 1-0, he would have been happy as Larry. He doesn't want to be involved in 5-2s and 6-3s.

"He talks exactly the same as (Mikel) Arteta. If you're good defensively, you've got much more chance of winning football matches."

"I think he's just starting to put his footprint on this team and I think they are going to be very hard to beat. They're not going to be the entertaining team, but that's the way it is.

"Mourinho has won everything in the game. You don't go into Tottenham and change your way of playing for players who have never won anything. You make sure that they play your way and you win them trophies.

"People go, 'you can't win like that anymore, winning 1-0 and 2-0'. But You can, believe me. No one ever wins anything with a bad defence."

"They were going for Premier League titles and Champions Leagues for the last two or three years, so of course they are still in decline at the moment," he said.

"But with Mourinho there, he will turn it around. He will, but they have to play his way."

"Tottenham aren't going to be a free-flowing side. But they've got to trust Mourinho and have faith, because this man has won everything and they've won nothing."

Paul Merson
Seemed so sensible.
Until the last 2 words...
 
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