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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Spurs 1961

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Aug 31, 2012
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You have to give the manager credit today because he got his tactics right. Putting Sissoko out wide on the right pretty much stopped their LB getting forward & Moura did a similar job on the left. Plus putting Son up front with Kane also gave their 3 CB's problems.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. We suck. But anyway I watched the great cricket and whizzed through this garbage under the false disguise of football. We are too bad to watch properly.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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You have to give the manager credit today because he got his tactics right. Putting Sissoko out wide on the right pretty much stopped their LB getting forward & Moura did a similar job on the left. Plus putting Son up front with Kane also gave their 3 CB's problems.
Pep’s cone boy got a bit of a lesson today.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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This season
4.2
18/19
5
17/18
5.7
16/17
6.8 (league high)
15/16
6.6 (league high)
14/15
4.5

So at our peak we were getting around 7 shots a game on average, and the league leaders in that category, but we have been falling season by season ever since. The average you posted would rank bottom in the league btw. So it is something to criticise, but it's not as bad as it looks.
Nice stats good to know.

I wonder if you can find the same for just shots generally not just on target because I just googled a random game under poch where we won 4-0 at home vs watford and we had 19 shots and 6 on target, i was suprised only 6 on target but 19 shots is quite a lot. I think shots generally under jose will also be down a lot because he prefers to create fewer but clear cut chances on the counter etc.
 

C0YS

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Jul 9, 2007
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Nice stats good to know.

I wonder if you can find the same for just shots generally not just on target because I just googled a random game under poch where we won 4-0 at home vs watford and we had 19 shots and 6 on target, i was suprised only 6 on target but 19 shots is quite a lot. I think shots generally under jose will also be down a lot because he prefers to create fewer but clear cut chances on the counter etc.
19 is a lot, and would normally convert into 3 or 4 goals, but nothing incredible, though shots vary a lot game by game, and style by style. Sheffield Utd are bottom of the league for shots per game, they just create good chances, with 9.5. Top is Man city with 19.5 average. This season the average is 12 a game, and we are bang in the middle. Generally 15% of shots become goals, so about 6.5/7 shots per goal. But this really changes a lot game by game.

Shots on target are more reliable in terms of what that means for goals. Normally ever 2 or 3 shots on target will give you a goal, so today you would predict a 3-1 win for us on that basis.
 

KaribYid

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Jul 2, 2012
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Ugggg fans more occupied at justfying their opinion and putting their egos before the clubs they actually support

Toxic :shifty:


Extremely toxic.

I cracked a few pages back how this thread would be a lot busier of we lost but it's no joke. There's a significant amount of people on here that are just waiting for a bad result to spout off about how awful Mourinho is and how right they were for not wanting him in the first place.

It's toxic, it's selfish and it's just sad that folks on here rather score points rather than hoping for the team to do well.

I don't particularly like Mourinho. I do think that when Poch was sacked (and as much as I love him, I think his tenure became unsalvageable) that JM was probably the best manager that was available and so I understand the decision to hire him.

But once he became our manager, I'm rooting for him. Not because I like him but because he's now leading this club on the field. His success is our success. His failure is our failure. You can't disentangle the two.

I don't know what's so hard for others to judge JM objectively. Recognize and praise him for the good and criticize him for the bad. I'm not saying we should all become Mourinho fanboys and I'm not saying everyone should love him but the agendas and the attempted point scoring is pretty sad and makes this forum a bit less enjoyable to read as of late.
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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Can't argue with any of that mate and definitely reasons to be more positive today for sure, the style of play is just not really for me but as I've said many times if it brings exceptional results then we can put up with it but as soon as results slip to anything below outstanding then the fans will turn because you cant play that way and not win as think the fans will stick with it.

But sure he got the tactics spot on today and its a good result. I'm just more the school of thought that if you're dominating the ball and creating lots of chances you're firstly stopping the opposition from being dangerous and secondly you're more likely to score, whereas Joseball is the exact opposite and today it worked sure but it relied on a mistake from their defender and a goal from a corner, I'd feel more confident if we played more positively and then adopted the low block once we

You're forgetting one key fact, he's only now building the team towards the image he wants. It is totally unreasonable to expect him to have this team playing at peak when he's had very little time to work with them, and particularly considering the stumbling blocks he's had heaped in front of him from day one.

Don't fall for the tosh spouted on here, by some, that he's had 8 months to work with them, he hasn't, at best he's had a few weeks, but those few weeks are beginning to show some tangible results.

Priority one looks to be well on track, stop leaking goals. Priority two is to make us more clinical going forward. He's shown the first glimpse of what he can do with what he has available, but he needs to get that consistent as well. Getting in the players he wants will take this a step further imo so yes, Levy absolutely must back him.

He won't get squillions to do this, but getting the right type of player doesn't necessarily mean you have to break the bank every time.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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Extremely toxic.

I cracked a few pages back how this thread would be a lot busier of we lost but it's no joke. There's a significant amount of people on here that are just waiting for a bad result to spout off about how awful Mourinho is and how right they were for not wanting him in the first place.

It's toxic, it's selfish and it's just sad that folks on here rather score points rather than hoping for the team to do well.

I don't particularly like Mourinho. I do think that when Poch was sacked (and as much as I love him, I think his tenure became unsalvageable) that JM was probably the best manager that was available and so I understand the decision to hire him.

But once he became our manager, I'm rooting for him. Not because I like him but because he's now leading this club on the field. His success is our success. His failure is our failure. You can't disentangle the two.

I don't know what's so hard for others to judge JM objectively. Recognize and praise him for the good and criticize him for the bad. I'm not saying we should all become Mourinho fanboys and I'm not saying everyone should love him but the agendas and the attempted point scoring is pretty sad and makes this forum a bit less enjoyable to read as of late.
What’s your address buddy I’ll get this shipped to you.
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enfieldyid

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Sep 22, 2004
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We play like Sam Allardyce’s Bolton, is this the way Jose Mourinho fans want us to play. The game is more than this the game is about entertainment and winning with style. Trophies are nice but if the football you play to win this is unrecognisable as something enjoyable what is the point. Jose teams are for glory hunters, people who do not care about the enjoyment of the game. That is my main problem with him I do not pay £50-£80 a ticket to go watch us set up with 11 men behind the ball. I expect to be entertained. This will probably be the high of the Jose experiment, yes I am happy we won but the team is better than that performance.
 

JerryGarcia

Dark star crashes...
May 18, 2006
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I think our famous signingless summer has had more impact on our struggles than Poch or Mourinho in many ways.

We seem to have seen a delayed reaction in part caused by injuries to our new signings at the start of this season. It meant we were effectively relying on the same tired squad with many of our players looking stale and uninterested.

Although theres much more at play than just that, I think freshening up the squad is key regardless of who the manager is.

I certainly don't envy Daniel Levy's position at the moment but its self inflicted to some degree. He needs to get a lot of things right this summer!
 

IamSpurtacus

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Jun 5, 2019
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Fun Fact- Jose's record since he took charge is 5th in the form table (22 games)

His record is better than Klopp's at the same stage of their tenures (10 wins to Klopp's 9)

I'm still reserving judgement until he's had a summer window, and has a chance to fix the LB/RB, CDM and backup striker issues at a minimum

if we don't see movement there, then i'd say the issue is deeper than the manager given the blatant squad imbalance
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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19 is a lot, and would normally convert into 3 or 4 goals, but nothing incredible, though shots vary a lot game by game, and style by style. Sheffield Utd are bottom of the league for shots per game, they just create good chances, with 9.5. Top is Man city with 19.5 average. This season the average is 12 a game, and we are bang in the middle. Generally 15% of shots become goals, so about 6.5/7 shots per goal. But this really changes a lot game by game.

Shots on target are more reliable in terms of what that means for goals. Normally ever 2 or 3 shots on target will give you a goal, so today you would predict a 3-1 win for us on that basis.
Love it mate where are you getting all this info haha?! Interesting stuff :)
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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You're forgetting one key fact, he's only now building the team towards the image he wants. It is totally unreasonable to expect him to have this team playing at peak when he's had very little time to work with them, and particularly considering the stumbling blocks he's had heaped in front of him from day one.

Don't fall for the tosh spouted on here, by some, that he's had 8 months to work with them, he hasn't, at best he's had a few weeks, but those few weeks are beginning to show some tangible results.

Priority one looks to be well on track, stop leaking goals. Priority two is to make us more clinical going forward. He's shown the first glimpse of what he can do with what he has available, but he needs to get that consistent as well. Getting in the players he wants will take this a step further imo so yes, Levy absolutely must back him.

He won't get squillions to do this, but getting the right type of player doesn't necessarily mean you have to break the bank every time.
Yep all good points mate I’ve always thought the exact same, my criticism has really just been about the style of play. If he’s doing things bit by bit and shoring up the defence first so we are harder to beat and building from there like I think he is then that’s a sensible approach. The question will be can we actually get him some players he wants to suit how he wants us to play and if we do then will we start to see a little bit more creativity and excitement going forwards.

I don’t mind a bit more pragmatism and we probably as a club do need a tad more but there is a fine balance and right now in quite a few recent games even when we’ve got good results we’ve been pretty hard to watch.

Defiantly more signs of encouragement and good we got the win otherwise things would’ve got quite toxic with the fans I think. Mabye you’re right and more patience is needed It’s certainly not one of my strong points lol.
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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Fun Fact- Jose's record since he took charge is 5th in the form table (22 games)

His record is better than Klopp's at the same stage of their tenures (10 wins to Klopp's 9)

I'm still reserving judgement until he's had a summer window, and has a chance to fix the LB/RB, CDM and backup striker issues at a minimum

if we don't see movement there, then i'd say the issue is deeper than the manager given the blatant squad imbalance

Yep think thats very fair mate.
 

Bobby TwoShots

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Aug 8, 2019
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We play like Sam Allardyce’s Bolton, is this the way Jose Mourinho fans want us to play. The game is more than this the game is about entertainment and winning with style. Trophies are nice but if the football you play to win this is unrecognisable as something enjoyable what is the point. Jose teams are for glory hunters, people who do not care about the enjoyment of the game. That is my main problem with him I do not pay £50-£80 a ticket to go watch us set up with 11 men behind the ball. I expect to be entertained. This will probably be the high of the Jose experiment, yes I am happy we won but the team is better than that performance.
I agree. Except when we play the scum, then all that matters is the result. I’m gonna enjoy this for a few days
 

KikoSpurs

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Aug 8, 2019
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He's got his tactics spot on today. If Kane and Son took their chances we would've been 4-1 easily.

But it's funny.... Sheffield United won against Chelsea with 26% ball possession yet no one gives a fucking a shit but apparently we were dominated by this pathetic Arsenal ?
 

synththfc

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Aug 24, 2017
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He's got his tactics spot on today. If Kane and Son took their chances we would've been 4-1 easily.

But it's funny.... Sheffield United won against Chelsea with 26% ball possession yet no one gives a fucking a shit but apparently we were dominated by this pathetic Arsenal ?

Was watching that match yesterday and heard the commentator describe Sheffield's second goal (and performance) as "brilliant attacking play"... Chelsea had the ball for about 15 minutes trying to break down a 10 man defense before they got that break and scored. Clinical? Absolutely. "Brilliant attacking play"? You're having a laugh.

Media perceptions warp people's minds, Sheffield United are no more attacking-minded than Moyes' West Ham, they're just a lot better coached at what they do and have better players.
 

matthew.absurdum

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Aug 31, 2012
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We play like Sam Allardyce’s Bolton, is this the way Jose Mourinho fans want us to play. The game is more than this the game is about entertainment and winning with style. Trophies are nice but if the football you play to win this is unrecognisable as something enjoyable what is the point. Jose teams are for glory hunters, people who do not care about the enjoyment of the game. That is my main problem with him I do not pay £50-£80 a ticket to go watch us set up with 11 men behind the ball. I expect to be entertained. This will probably be the high of the Jose experiment, yes I am happy we won but the team is better than that performance.

I actually quite like Big Sam. One of the most underrated managers.
 
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