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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

dontcallme

SC Supporter
Mar 18, 2005
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I wonder if Lewis would at any point think about this. At some point one has to assume as a business model we can be improved upon and Levy isn't the man to do it any longer. Then again I guess unless Lewis is willing to put more funds into the club then is the point moot as whoever is in charge would have to work with the same remit.
TBH I don't really think the focus is about giving more funds.

We have a high turnover and have successfully got into the top 4 by spending within our limits.

In the last 3 seasons we stopped the conveyor belt of young talent and it has destroyed us. Rose, Walker, Alli Eriksen and many more were bought young and integrated into the squad.

Once that stopped we had to rely on experienced players to come in and perform immediately. We just don't have a functioning squad anymore.

That isn't through lack of funds, this tactic made us money, our board just took their eye off the ball and stopped buying.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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Is your brother employed at the club, or is it one of those confirmation bias things?
He's not, no. But I do remember them getting injuries persistently and players blowing often.

Could be just cause they were struggling.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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Worrying comment from my brother (United fan)

Said the United squad got really unfit during Jose's time and he killed motivation in a lot of players.

I don't know if that's down to training methods or if his players just lose desire.. but concerning as If never really thought about it before.
What I would say - and Jose does need to take responsibility for this but he never really put his heart into United. Whether he was misled over players or couldn't work with the board or Woodward, he never properly moved to Manchester and I wouldn't be surprised if that attitude spilled over into training. From the videos I've seen, he's fully engaged with the training although obviously we only see what the club wants us to see.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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We should just wait for Nagglesman and levy can save his transfer pocket money until he's willing to come. Unless we look like going down. As others have said, unless Levy pays I don't see us going anywhere above mid table.
You look at what man.u have done with ole. The KEY is the player recruitment and mike phelan.

I don’t think ole is a world class manager but they’ve bought very very sensibly, players that fit the culture of the club and the style of play they want to build, this is why I always thought they’d start to do well it just needed time. (Wan Bisakka, Maguire, D.James. b.Fernandes) mix of young Hungry British Players and onebworld class player then bring through some youth players such as greenwood, get pogba back onside and you Have your man.utd under fergie coming back.

the reason I have no Faith it that levy won’t back Jose like that and even if he does the football he’s playing is god awful boring and doesn’t suit our club at all so it’s a lose LISS situation. We used to have a good plan of buying mainly young British talent : Walker Dawson Jenas Carrick Lennon Bale Defoe Etc that and king and Robinson was the start of a spine and an identity of spurs a while back, then we chopped and changed strategies.
Arry came in and put square pegs in square holes and then got screwed over with Saha and nelson. Then fast forward to Poch and again he built an identity and rapport with the fans by playing young players who worked hard and for a while cared the likes of Ryan Mason and Kane and Winks embodies this. He then built around that but it never seemed like we had a clear plan on how to progress.

Now we’ve abandoned the plan and have the most negative manager in the league and a mess of a mid table squad. We are just wasting time with no plan. We got luck with Poch working his magic but the good times are gone.

Levy Out Jose out start to build our club identity again, something we can be proud of.
 

Trotter

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Jan 30, 2009
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Fair enough, I just read a new article from a few hours ago saying it was looking like Saturday August 29. Good thing it's September

Champions League final is not until 23rd August, with Europa league 2 days earlier.
PFA would have a fit if league season started week later, and rightly so.

Maybe Championship for August 29th, but not Premier League
 

WiganSpur

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Aug 31, 2012
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Right now to stop this turgid shit I’d take any of:
Chris Wilder
Nuno Espirito Santo
Ten Haag
Nagglesman
Simione Inzaghhi
Graham Potter

And if none of them fancy it then :
Robbie Keane and Jonathan Woodgate with Tim Sherwood DofF ?

god I really just don’t care anymore
Nuno and Nagelsmann are pipe dreams imo
 

Wheeler Dealer

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Jul 29, 2011
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I wonder if Lewis would at any point think about this. At some point one has to assume as a business model we can be improved upon and Levy isn't the man to do it any longer. Then again I guess unless Lewis is willing to put more funds into the club then is the point moot as whoever is in charge would have to work with the same remit.
Lewis is 83 years old and you would have thought based on his age he’d look to sell, unless he sees us as an investment to be handed down to his siblings who may wish to hold on to the club to accumulate greater value or they may wish to cash in
 

EQP

EQP
Sep 1, 2013
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Bit misleading. If the headset wasn't working, I'm not sure he could sit there for half an hour when he's got better things to do

There are some who believe (me) that Jose could actually hear the questions and use the old " technical difficulties" routine to evade the questions.
 

Lighty64

I believe
Aug 24, 2010
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my sympathies go out to all season ticket holders that do go regular, and if you think AvB was boring then get used to it.

at least Levy saved 50m because I doubt GLC will sign on a permanent.

I posted this back in November and actually got a winner rating off of @kaz Hirai after the game. so nice to know I was right for once :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 

ajspurs

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Jul 7, 2007
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I just wonder how long this can realistically go on for, if we continue on like this. With fans in the stadium things will get toxic very quickly.

Fans can be content with winning whilst not playing so well, but I don't think many will put up with
 

Dougal

Staff
Jun 4, 2004
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Wiki knows...

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rossdapep

Well-Known Member
Aug 25, 2011
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What scares me is the thought that DL has run out of ideas and a cohesive p!an to take the club forward. If he sees Jose as a project and is prepared to give him time and (allowing for club finances) money to spend them all well and good but if it is literally him having a punt on Jose then that is a concern.
Many said at the time, and I agree, that this was Levy's last roll of the dice.

If it went wrong it was time for him to step aside as he rarely makes good footballing decisions anymore. He can't even fall back on the old 'Levy time' as the last time he did that was the VDV signing - 10 years ago.

Since then it's just been a mess from him.
 

JCRD

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Aug 10, 2018
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The thing is Levy has grown the club so much that no one will buy us - effectively we have priced ourselves out of being brought - arent we the most valuable club in the world? I highly doubt someone would see value in buying us - we have reached a ceiling i feel.
 

emiley heskey

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Jul 3, 2020
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The thing is Levy has grown the club so much that no one will buy us - effectively we have priced ourselves out of being brought - arent we the most valuable club in the world? I highly doubt someone would see value in buying us - we have reached a ceiling i feel.

Thn he needs to buy valuable players as well .. simple
 

Amo

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Aug 22, 2013
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I'm just stunned he doesn't look and this and think "you know I'm sure if I told them to they could try and score"
 

Darth Vega

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Jul 28, 2013
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The fanbase has seemingly split into two camps: Team Jose and Team Poch. I think it's human nature to want to find somebody to point the finger at, and in football the manager is the easiest target because he's the most likely to be changed. Not the players, not the chairman.

The reality is is that there's so much wrong at the club that no manager alone can fix it. Not Poch, not Jose. Everything stems back to that 18-month period where we didn't make a signing. People have been particularly revisionist of the Poch era - some more positively, some more negatively - but we undoubtedly played dour football in his last 18 months.

The defeats at home to Newcastle and West Ham.
The loss away at Bournemouth.
Just about drawing at home to Sheffield United and Watford.
Just about avoiding defeat at Wembley to Arsenal.
Scraping last minute victories thanks to individual brilliance that masked poor performances (Watford, Newcastle at Wembley)

From everything we heard from ITKs and other sources, Poch was sick of the players and the players were sick of him; Poch has near enough confirmed the former in recent interviews. Poch's time had come, but what bothers me is that I can't shake the feeling that we never should have allowed it to come. Had we backed him, he would still be here. And even if he wasn't, the man in charge would be in a better position than he is now.

The squad - and club - is a mess. Jurgen Klopp would walk in and immediately tell you having only one recognised right-back at the club - who is fucking atrocious as it is - is a shambles. Antonio Conte would walk in and immediately tell you that having only one recognised left-back at the club (not including Sessegnon here) is a shambles. Pep Guardiola would walk in and tell you that having no back-up striker to Harry Kane (seriously, how the fuck have we allowed this to happen), no recognised holding midfielder, a winger who cannot trap a ball to save his life, two ageing centre backs who are long past it (and three more in Dier, Sanchez and Foyth that all have massive, massive doubts hanging over them from various corners of our fanbase and probably coaching staff) is an absolute fucking shambles - nothing short of it.

It simply isn't acceptable, but it's the reality we find ourselves in.

We've had two managers now - one the greatest we've had in the Premier League era, and another who won more trophies in one supposedly 'poor' season with Man United than we have in two decades (let alone his entire career) - tell us the same thing. The squad needs a rebuild. It needs five more years of work. They both can't be wrong - I simply do not buy it.

The question(s), then, become:

- Who do we trust to rebuild the squad? Jose? If not, then who? Who would come, and when?
- Do we trust the ownership - who have performed nothing short of a miracle to bring us to the level we are at compared to when they took over - to do what they have yet to do and take us to the next level?

Again, I go back to that summer of no signings. I fear it's one we'll still be looking back on in two, three, maybe even four years time, cursing that we didn't bring in a few more players. Cursing that we didn't do what Liverpool did, at a time where we were so far ahead.

In the meantime, we're toing and froing over a manager who has inherited the same mess his predecessor could not fix alone, and has only had 8 months (3 of those with no football), 1 transfer window, and 0 pre-seasons to somehow fix this mess that he had no responsibility in creating.

The manager is the first one we go to blame because he's the easiest target. He isn't without fault, but if we continuously try and lay the blame squarely on his shoulders, we'll become a copy of Arsenal who were so desperate to get rid of their dinosaur manager who was supposedly past it; so sure that that one decision would change their fortunes.

I have no idea if Mourinho is the answer, and I do think we can be performing better than we are, but I don't see how sacking him will fix this mess. We have a huge problem, and it will take years to fix.

Personally - and I would love nothing more to be proven wrong here - I do not trust those above our manager to help fix it.
 
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JME-9

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Jul 5, 2015
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United Jose without the trophies that’s what we are getting he won’t make it to the end of next season the guy should retire it take an international job!
 

seppo

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Feb 5, 2018
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Yes let’s blame Jose when poch never won anything , when will fans start realising levy is the problem, poch was his lottery ticket now reality kicks in
Christ. This again. No one is denying that Levy is at the very core of our problems, but bitching about that is simply a waste of your life. It's better to just accept it - save both your time and your mental health. The next step on the latter is the manager, and that's the only realistic position we can have change in for the foreseeable future, so that's where the buck stops. And this current manager couldn't be further from what we need. His "special" touch is long gone and he's a shell of his former self, full of meaningless platitudes and a toxic fog over him, that ends up eating up the clubs he manages from the inside. Shouldn't even be touched with a pair of pliers.
 
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