Jose Mourinho

Deleted member 27995 · Jul 7, 2020

spursfan77 said:
He’s gutted we won.

If people want to moan about the dull as dish water football served up by 10th playing 11th go ahead. It'd be remiss of me suggesting it was a spectacle - the fact some are crying even harder after we won a football match speaks volumes for the agendas that now exist on here - no idea about outside of this bubble. It's both amusing and pathetic in equal measure.

Rusta81 · Jul 7, 2020

Wheeler Dealer said:
We could be top of the form table for all I care, but not by playing this unpalatable style of football

5th.
He’s getting results Wheeler Dealer .

sunnydelight786 · Jul 7, 2020

Shadydan said:
If you've seen no real sign of improvement from where we were when Poch left then I don't know what to tell you ?

If you’re all for hoof ball, Kane being used as a flick on merchant, sitting back for dear life after taking slender leads & a total CFC twat as manager then be my guest. No doubt you bent over for George Graham as well and would do the same for Wenger.
Oh how most of you laughed when things blew up big time for him at CFC & MUFC yet now you hang off his every last word. Well the jokes on us and some of you hypocrites are too blind to see it as you’re determined to be proven right as you’ve got your ‘winner’ in charge now ?

Gb160 · Jul 7, 2020

Russ Webb said:
5th.
He’s getting results Wheeler Dealer .

You're wasting your breath mate.
He's so riddled with anti-Jose bias he limps when he walks.

Unfortunately he's not alone

Havre · Jul 7, 2020

Really liked Mourinho's post match interview with Sky. He clearly is an intelligent man who I believe has understood the team well. If he can fix the issues he has identified remains to be seen.

He mentions this himself, but I am quite pleased with how we defensively look a lot more solid these days. Far from perfect, but Everton got some tricky players to defend against. 3 out of 4 games after the lockdown we have looked structurally fairly solid (against at least two good teams). And that is not because of the great individual quality we got in the back four and with our DM that isn't there (I rate Winks, but he is hardly Makelele defensively).

thekneaf · Jul 7, 2020

Fittster said:
It's a fairly simple concept, Spurs have a limited budget, if Jose is filling up his pension plan, with £15m a season, that money isn't being spent elsewhere.

You going to stop dodging the question and answer if you think that £15m is providing value for money?

Jose football currently resulting in Tottenham's non-pen xG Against in 2020 (now 12 games) ranks 20th/20. I'm sure that kind of football will pack out a 60K stadium.,

Or that given our summer and winter transfer spending, and a new huge wage for a manager who wants to win things... that points to Levy actually investing to win. Otherwise he'd have gone for a cheaper manage it would be easier for him to deal with day to day.

You simply can't be arguing that Levy hired Jose for an easy life and because he's being cheap!

SUIYHA · Jul 7, 2020

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SecretLemonadeDrinker · Jul 7, 2020

enfieldyid said:
Poch did not get to start the rebuild. We signed Lo Celso and NDombele never settled in. Then there was Levy’s interference in transfers and signing Sessingon and Jack Clarke. That would have been £40m we could have spent on full backs.

Eh? Wasn't Poch after Sessegnon for two years?

As to Ndombele - another of Poch's must have signings who we were after for two years. If he didn't settle in - or was just unsuited to English football - isn't that on Poch?

I love Poch and I'm gutted that his time at Spurs came to an end. I would love him to come back one day. I'm also yet to be fully sold on Jose. But let's not rewrite the past by absolving Poch of any responsibility. It's neither necessary nor helpful to the discussion.

spursfan77 · Jul 7, 2020

Wheeler Dealer said:
We could be top of the form table for all I care, but not by playing this unpalatable style of football

In my mind, the most enjoyable football we have played in recent times was under Redknapp. He was the first to point out what we needed when he joined us and it is quite similar to what Mourinho faced actually. A defensive midfield (Palacios), a full back (Chimbonda) and a striker (Defoe & Keane). Eerily familiar, yet we didn't get a single one of those postions in January.

Performances under Redknapp started well with the new manager bounce and the return of ketchup, but they didn't really take off until the new players came in and we started to play better as a result, or at least that is how I remember it.

Here's the results. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008–09_Tottenham_Hotspur_F.C._season#Match_results

Amazing similarities. Redknapp got the players, Mourinho didn't. So it is over the Levy for the summer. If he doesn't address our problem positions, then nothing is going to change.

longtimespur · Jul 7, 2020

One thing I will say about JM is the reaction from Lloris to Son. That would never have happened under Pochettino. He’s installing a mentality that’s been missing for years. GOOD ON HIM

sparx100 · Jul 7, 2020

Russ Webb said:
Thankyou dear sir.
5th in form since he took the job.
. I take that from the previous form with a deteriorating squad .

That was a real surprise to me. I think we can look at the results and point out deficiencies and fortune in the displays but I am not sure we could expect much more. I think for me it is the games we have lost that on paper we shouldn't have that is frustrating.

Typical Spurs · Jul 7, 2020

I know some don't like Jose but I was surprised to read in the match thread those saying "I cant celebrate that".
We've just beat Everton. A good side. How can you not be happy with 3 points?

I can't understand those who have that view. When did our fanbase become so deluded?

We had 12-18 months under Poch where we played the way people seem to think we played under his whole time here. If we were playing like Liverpool or Man City in that 18 months then I could understand slightly better people having an issue. In fact I would say with our peak side under Poch its criminal we didn't win anything. Best back 4 in the league in Rose, Toby, Jan and Walker. Dembele and Wanyama bossing the midfield. Eriksen, Dele and sonny behind Kane.

We've been the nearly men for the last few years. The problem now is our team is nowhere near. I don't care who's in charge of us, we ain't challenging for the league or comfortably getting top 4 because we've regressed so much.

Last night was a good 3 points won. Go back and watch some of our home wins over his whole time here when Poch was in charge....they were no different. We had a season of blowing most teams at home (I'm not talking winning, I'm talking smashing teams playing this dreamy swashbuckling way) but now some of our fans cry because we win but it's boring.

enfieldyid · Jul 7, 2020

SecretLemonadeDrinker said:
Eh? Wasn't Poch after Sessegnon for two years?

As to Ndombele - another of Poch's must have signings who we were after for two years. If he didn't settle in - or was just unsuited to English football - isn't that on Poch?

I love Poch and I'm gutted that his time at Spurs came to an end. I would love him to come back one day. I'm also yet to be fully sold on Jose. But let's not rewrite the past by absolving Poch of any responsibility. It's neither necessary nor helpful to the discussion.

Sessegnon has nothing to do with Poch. We wanted him on the advice of Levy’s special advisor David Pleat. The fact is Poch almost walked last summer because Levy’s antics in the transfer window. We were never signing Dybala and we spent forever negotiating for his prime target Lo Celso. The other player Poch wanted on the advise of Bisela was Calvin Phillips, but that was a no go because Levy was more concerned about Jack Clarke who was also on the advise of his special advisor.

Levy fast and loose antics in the transfer windows have left us with an unbalanced squad. The fact he listens to David Pleat as a special advisor is baffling.

E17yid · Jul 7, 2020

SecretLemonadeDrinker said:
Eh? Wasn't Poch after Sessegnon for two years?

As to Ndombele - another of Poch's must have signings who we were after for two years. If he didn't settle in - or was just unsuited to English football - isn't that on Poch?

I love Poch and I'm gutted that his time at Spurs came to an end. I would love him to come back one day. I'm also yet to be fully sold on Jose. But let's not rewrite the past by absolving Poch of any responsibility. It's neither necessary nor helpful to the discussion.

I’d agree with this except we don’t know how Ndombele would be doing if Poch was still here. Think it’s safe to say he’d be playing some football and who knows that might’ve helped him settle and find his feet. He started straight away under Poch and didn’t start to bad either. Remember being so annoyed that Poch, through no fault of his own, never got to play Ndombele and GLC together in the same team. Basically a manager is key to helping new players settle and I don’t think Jose is excelling at this at the moment.

Agree re Sessegnon, by all accounts that sounded like a Poch signing as was Ndombele and GLC.

teok · Jul 7, 2020

Shadydan · Jul 7, 2020

sunnydelight786 said:
If you’re all for hoof ball, Kane being used as a flick on merchant, sitting back for dear life after taking slender leads & a total CFC twat as manager then be my guest. No doubt you bent over for George Graham as well and would do the same for Wenger.
Oh how most of you laughed when things blew up big time for him at CFC & MUFC yet now you hang off his every last word. Well the jokes on us and some of you hypocrites are too blind to see it as you’re determined to be proven right as you’ve got your ‘winner’ in charge now ?

Ahh you're one of them, I see.

enfieldyid said:
Sessegnon has nothing to do with Poch. We wanted him on the advice of Levy’s special advisor David Pleat. The fact is Poch almost walked last summer because Levy’s antics in the transfer window. We were never signing Dybala and we spent forever negotiating for his prime target Lo Celso. The other player Poch wanted on the advise of Bisela was Calvin Phillips, but that was a no go because Levy was more concerned about Jack Clarke who was also on the advise of his special advisor.

Levy fast and loose antics in the transfer windows have left us with an unbalanced squad. The fact he listens to David Pleat as a special advisor is baffling.

Sess was a Poch signing, Dan KP confirmed that at the start of the window.

1882andallthat · Jul 7, 2020

To settle for 1 goal and shut up shop in the last 15 mins, is always a dangerous game to play, very few teams are capable of doing it. We got away with it because Everton showed no real aggression and played half arsed as though the couldn't care less.

We are nowhere near good enough to score 1 and shut out 99% of teams, especially teams who are determined. It only takes one ball into the box, or over the top, one lapse in concentration and bang that's a goal conceded and points dropped. We simply cannot afford to play this way because you only have to open your eyes to see we have always got a mistake or few in us, and we get off the hook when opposition teams waste good chances.

I don't think I've ever seen us shutting out a team completely without giving away a good chance or half chance, so JM should stop coaching us into doing this, quite simply because we are incapable of it. If we don't score more than one, more often than not we come away without 3 points, and anyone who can't see that is just plain stupid.

Albertbarich · Jul 7, 2020

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
Wot?

Days even not weeks!

It was late, what can I say.

emiley heskey · Jul 7, 2020

Who remembers our First NLD under Pochetinno? We parked the bus and got a draw. We could have won but Lamela failed to man mark Gibbs ....

Typical Spurs · Jul 7, 2020

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
If people want to moan about the dull as dish water football served up by 10th playing 11th go ahead. It'd be remiss of me suggesting it was a spectacle - the fact some are crying even harder after we won a football match speaks volumes for the agendas that now exist on here - no idea about outside of this bubble. It's both amusing and pathetic in equal measure.

But its 3 points. A win.

Under Poch, other than 1 season (especially at home), did we play this amazing brand of football? I presume we must have given you and many others are so dissatisfied when this fantasy Tottenham way of playing is not replicated whenever we win.

I really enjoyed moments under Poch. We played some great stuff.

Most of the time I was fed up of the way he insisted we play from the back, even though we were never technically good enough to do it.

I was fed up with the obsession of having possession of the ball, for possessions sake. Sideways, backwards, sideways, backwards. I found that 'dull as dishwater'. But if we took 3 points I was well happy. Because I want us to win.

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