thebenjamin
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I hope you're not suggesting dear leader was lying to his subjects?
Jose Mourinho
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I hope you're not suggesting dear leader was lying to his subjects?
Stamford
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We know that, its just ridiculous that he has lied about it constantly.
LeParisien
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I have been consistently critical of Mou but I like these words. More long-term thinking. We probably wont be great again for another 3 or 4 years and therell be more pain before things get better. But the long game is the right one.Changed his tune from wanting to challenge for the title next season
Mourinho says Tottenham are building for 'five years' time' as he encourages fan 'realism' | Goal.com
Jose Mourinho says that Tottenham are building for "five years' time" and that fan "realism" will be needed as they negotiate their way through a transitional period.www.goal.com
Is he the right man for a project? I’m not so sure
Shadydan
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Changed his tune from wanting to challenge for the title next seasonMourinho says Tottenham are building for 'five years' time' as he encourages fan 'realism' | Goal.com
Jose Mourinho says that Tottenham are building for "five years' time" and that fan "realism" will be needed as they negotiate their way through a transitional period.www.goal.com
Is he the right man for a project? I’m not so sure
Maybe he now realises how shit we are
Metalhead
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If he is calling it a project and he’s still there at the beginning of next season then one has to assume that DL is comfortable with that.Changed his tune from wanting to challenge for the title next seasonMourinho says Tottenham are building for 'five years' time' as he encourages fan 'realism' | Goal.com
Jose Mourinho says that Tottenham are building for "five years' time" and that fan "realism" will be needed as they negotiate their way through a transitional period.www.goal.com
Is he the right man for a project? I’m not so sure
dudu
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Are you taking into account the large rise in wages for everyone's fave players during that time?
The amount of crying on here 3/4 seasons back that EVERYONE was going to leave cos Levy was so TIGHT. Honestly, non stop babies crying how we were not gonna keep hold of a single one of our starts because Levy was holding them all to ransom over wages.
Who left? 1 player and we all but doubled our wage bill.
No everything is about a transfer fee. The cost of a player goes far beyond it and perhaps the reason who didn't buy x or y player was nothing to do with their transfer spend. It had to do with the entire fee, and how that wage would affect the whole club.
We just bought in a player who equals our top paid earner over the summer. We are clearly willing to up our wages for incoming players now.
I just think there is a bigger picture out there that is ALWAYS conveniently ignored because it doesn't fit into the Levy is evil narrative.
danielneeds
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Yeah, but then he's also never managed to stay at a club more than three years, so there's an obvious tension between what he's saying and the reality of his career.
dudu
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At said clubs, how many managers in general stay there for over 3 years?
Edit you know what, ill help you out. Since 2000 I believe it is
Inter Milan - 1
Real Madrid -1 and actually Jose was there longer than most in the last 20 years
Chelsea - can't be fucked to look it up but I'm guessing 0 and that Jose has been there longer than 90% of managers in the last 20 years.
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Albertbarich
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So wait the man who has never stayed anywhere longer than 3 years, the man who has said we will be challenging for the title NEXT year is now saying he is planning for 5 years away?
Hahaha come on are we really that easy to manipulate?
What does that even mean? What will take 5 years? Do players need 5 years to mature? If so I'd suggest we have the wrong players. Does he need 10 transfer windows ? If so then he is pretty much proclaiming that he needs a whole new team.
If he is saying that he's now a project manager then why are we paying him so
According to Transfermarkt mourinio is the fifth highest paid football manager in the world.
We have the highest or joint highest ticket prices in the country which probably leads to Europe as I cant see many others getting away with charging london prices.
Our chairman is the highest paid in the country - havent checked the world and thanks to the sky rocketing value of the club is now on the Sunday Times rich list.
We now have the best football stadium in the world.
So why on earth would us fans wait five years for them to challenge for a title that the bulk of the current team were fighting for only a couple of years ago. Are we that niave?
I'm sorry to do this but when I look down the road at the scum I see a progressive manager getting the best out of his players despite the board. When I look at us I see a manager clinging onto his last high profile chance by helping the board show a total lack of sporting ambition.
About time they started running a football club and not a property company.
Hahaha come on are we really that easy to manipulate?
What does that even mean? What will take 5 years? Do players need 5 years to mature? If so I'd suggest we have the wrong players. Does he need 10 transfer windows ? If so then he is pretty much proclaiming that he needs a whole new team.
If he is saying that he's now a project manager then why are we paying him so
According to Transfermarkt mourinio is the fifth highest paid football manager in the world.
We have the highest or joint highest ticket prices in the country which probably leads to Europe as I cant see many others getting away with charging london prices.
Our chairman is the highest paid in the country - havent checked the world and thanks to the sky rocketing value of the club is now on the Sunday Times rich list.
We now have the best football stadium in the world.
So why on earth would us fans wait five years for them to challenge for a title that the bulk of the current team were fighting for only a couple of years ago. Are we that niave?
I'm sorry to do this but when I look down the road at the scum I see a progressive manager getting the best out of his players despite the board. When I look at us I see a manager clinging onto his last high profile chance by helping the board show a total lack of sporting ambition.
About time they started running a football club and not a property company.
Metalhead
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Given the long term nature of the finance situation, which I think you referred to in a previous post, it has to be long term. It’s going to be that kind of time period before the benefits of the new stadium are realised (and I realise that there are plenty of fans who don’t see anything changing even in 5 years) but we shall see.
Metalhead
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The idea that we would have been challenging for the title next season is the only thing that leaves me scratching my head.
Albertbarich
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Plenty brought into it.
I thibk we he came a lot thought that we would have to give him the resources he needs.
After January where even the boards staunchest defenders struggled to defend not bringing in a back up striker it started becoming apparent that nothing is changing in regards to our transfer business.
He said only about a week ago he needed only tweaks to get the team where he wanted and I presume he wanted the team to be challenging unless were paying him 15 million quid a year to challenge the mighty Sheffield United for 9th?
Its clear he has been losing confidence in the team and I don't blame him although his outdated tactics are not helping but when you stack up where the club sees itself commercially and what it costs to support the club the a few years of dross is absolutely not acceptable. What club brings in jose mourinho to get europa league ??
Metalhead
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United?
Albertbarich
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They spent half a billion quid to win the europa league and their fans have constantly warned us that he isn't the manager he once was.
Id hate the glaziers at spurs but they backed him.
Whilst I'm moaning I saw a united fan say yesterday that he picked Greenwood once in the cup as a wing back and then wrote him off. Worrying.
Fair point - will Kane, Son/ Gio still be here in 3 years - possibly but i wouldn't bet on it with no CL. Lloris, Toby, Sissoko will certainly be gone due to age if nothing else.
I am curious as to who he thinks this 'core squad' is and who will still be here in 3,4,5 years.
leelee
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Came in to a failing club. Lost his talisman, then lost our complete first choice attack.
Since restart we are the only team to take points of United and they couldn't score from open play. Beat a team that considers us their Cup final year in year out. Except Sheffield United we have done alright since the restart. What happened at Brammall Lane is the responsibility of the defence. Shocking. I'm very interested to see how we react tonight and Sunday.
Hard to evaluate due to injuries before lockdown but Sheffield United away is the only blip so far and that is because our players were not prepared to fight. I'm still very much in support of Jose and will be for at least another season.
Since restart we are the only team to take points of United and they couldn't score from open play. Beat a team that considers us their Cup final year in year out. Except Sheffield United we have done alright since the restart. What happened at Brammall Lane is the responsibility of the defence. Shocking. I'm very interested to see how we react tonight and Sunday.
Hard to evaluate due to injuries before lockdown but Sheffield United away is the only blip so far and that is because our players were not prepared to fight. I'm still very much in support of Jose and will be for at least another season.
Metalhead
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I was being facetious but obviously the narrative is that Mourinho can’t do projects, which based on history is not unreasonable but I can’t see why he couldn’t apply his not inconsiderable experience to something more long term. A lot of it is down to the temperament that he will show. Let’s face it, this is probably his least pressured gig since Porto so he may well thrive without that level of expectation (providing of course that he doesn’t see it as an excuse to kick back and relax but would his ego accept just mediocrity or is he genuinely motivated to improve Spurs?). At the end of the day, Jose is starting to realise the challenge he has and that whatever caused the downturn pre-Poch leaving is not going to be fixed short term. Now that Mourinho has made it clear that it isn’t a short term fix, it will be telling what DL does in the summer- I suspect that he will be given the chance with the ‘project’.
SpartanSpur
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I think mug is a bit strong. It's quite common for long term capital commitments to have minimal impact on short term activity. Most of us here will have had experience of that with mortgages.
I believe the annual debt servicing has been reported at around 30-40m. The majority of that could have been covered by the naming rights (unlikely now!). The increase in revenues from the stadium were to be at least double that, so in reality we were better off than at WHL despite the scary looking debt figure. There was also the situation with the project that a lot of money was put down prior to the completion of the stadium. The loans were for £600-700m despite the cost being over £1bn. In many ways some of the austerity was front loaded.
I think there were merits to what Levy and Collecott were saying at the time. The outlay last summer was also significant.
That said this has also made us one of the worst hit by Covid-19 and playing games behind closed doors. We have a much higher % of turnover from matchday income than pretty much any other PL club I'd imagine, and are now probably 2nd behind Utd in debt repayments. Couple this with missing out on the CL windfall and it paints a pretty bleak picture.
SpartanSpur
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Mourinho added: "What happens inside stays inside - I think that's a golden rule - but it was a very honest meeting.
"It wasn't a monologue, it was a dialogue, because the players also had the chance to speak with me, and we shared views, and we shared emotions, and we shared analysis.
"I've lost many matches in my career but the ones that gave me the worst possible taste are the ones where I feel we should do much more than we did."
This meeting makes me a lot more interested in watching tonights' game.
Attitude/Motivation - Big response tonight and you'd assume the meeting was positive and hope Sheff Utd was a bit of a blip. Another limp dick display and it's possible he's already lost the dressing room.
Lineup/Tactics - He said it was a two way dialogue, so you'd hope to see a few changes to how we setup tonight. Changing to a 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 would give us a bit more stability and control, and probably wouldn't hurt our attacking threat. The attackers seemed to get in each others way at Sheff Utd.
"It wasn't a monologue, it was a dialogue, because the players also had the chance to speak with me, and we shared views, and we shared emotions, and we shared analysis.
"I've lost many matches in my career but the ones that gave me the worst possible taste are the ones where I feel we should do much more than we did."
This meeting makes me a lot more interested in watching tonights' game.
Attitude/Motivation - Big response tonight and you'd assume the meeting was positive and hope Sheff Utd was a bit of a blip. Another limp dick display and it's possible he's already lost the dressing room.
Lineup/Tactics - He said it was a two way dialogue, so you'd hope to see a few changes to how we setup tonight. Changing to a 4-3-3 or 3-4-3 would give us a bit more stability and control, and probably wouldn't hurt our attacking threat. The attackers seemed to get in each others way at Sheff Utd.
spursfan77
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Only in the short term though and we took out a £170 million loan to cover that. Once the stadium is back up and running and fans are back in the stadium things will be back to normal.
We don’t actually know how profitable the stadium has been since we’ve been back in it as the last set of accounts didn’t take into consideration of all of the time we were back in it. We had record profits again off of the back of it.
It‘s why I’m wary of thinking that we won’t be active in the transfer market When it opens. Sure we might not be spending £100 million net but we’ve been linked with quite a few players valued around the £20 million mark. We will have to be creative in the transfer market for sure but I really can’t see us not spending money. Maybe not as much as we won’t be in the champions league but there will have to be investment.
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