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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Legacy

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If we can't defend what's the point of having mourinho. Conceding those tap ins from basic cut backs. He has every one fit and had ample time to coach them.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
 

carpediem991

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May 31, 2011
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Ah, two wrongs make you right ... Dear oh dear.

When you say tested, were you talking about open play or set pieces? Just to be sure, you know?

In general. You need to defend good at set pieces and open play. Otherwise you do not have a solid defense.
We had that with Toby and Jan. We don't have it anymore, but loads were again full of praise after 1-2 solid games...
 

Jamturk

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Aug 13, 2008
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What system would stop both CBs ball-watching and being the wrong side of their man or marking empty space? Unless we stop literally every ball into the box, there's no system that can protect from those fuck ups.

Did you read my post?
 
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In general. You need to defend good at set pieces and open play. Otherwise you do not have a solid defense.
We had that with Toby and Jan. We don't have it anymore, but loads were again full of praise after 1-2 solid games...
So slating them after one bad one is as justified? How many seasons (barring injury) did Toby and Jan play along side one another?

We're so quick to stick the boot in.

Criticism is warranted I agree, statues on a training ground last night, only so many times you can try and coach a footballer to do what you want them to do - when they go out onto the pitch it's down to them - Dier and Dave have look solid if unspectacular. They're not a patch on Toby and Jan in their pomp though - which you'd expect.
 

Rob

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Did you read my post?

There's no system to compensate for the defensive fuckups like last night. Poch didn't have a magic wand to protect against those kind of things. If you have to "protect" your CBs because they can't stay goal-side of their man, it's a personnel issue.
 

Jamturk

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Apart from the thumping we took against Brighton? The loss at home to Newcastle? The huffing and puffing in the first meeting against Villa? The defend at all costs against the then mighty free falling Watford away? The cluster fuck at Bayern?

If you're talking Poch two seasons ago - yeah, no shit - this season? Stop airbrushing things out to make invalid arguments. It's tiresome.

He asked for reinforcements as he saw the components of his system falling away leading to the events you have stated.
 

carpediem991

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So slating them after one bad one is as justified? How many seasons (barring injury) did Toby and Jan play along side one another?

We're so quick to stick the boot in.

Criticism is warranted I agree, statues on a training ground last night, only so many times you can try and coach a footballer to do what you want them to do - when they go out onto the pitch it's down to them - Dier and Dave have look solid if unspectacular. They're not a patch on Toby and Jan in their pomp though - which you'd expect.

Where do I am slating them? I was referring that I said judgement is still out after some meant we are now having a solid defense...
I guess you get me wrong here because I feel we pretty much think the same here.
 

SUIYHA

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I've tried to calm down and re-watch the highlights objectively this morning.

My god that was awful. There's no more excuse about players not being available, to get that badly beaten by Sheffield Utd was inexcusable. The defending was atrocious, we barely created a chance in the second half and the entire team looked tactically clueless.

Yes the VAR decision was shocking, and yes we may have some mentally weak players. But this was unacceptable. And the buck for that has to stop with Mourinho. As a manager he has proven his ability to have strong teams choke out the rest of the league and dominate, but I don't recall him ever getting a side out of a slump and turning things around - this just doesn't look like having a happy ending does it?

This has been the least enjoyable season since the David Pleat season for me.
 

Jamturk

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There's no system to compensate for the defensive fuckups like last night. Poch didn't have a magic wand to protect against those kind of things. If you have to "protect" your CBs because they can't stay goal-side of their man, it's a personnel issue.

I disagree, would we buy any of the Sheffield United team that have outdefended us over 2 games this season?

No, but they were better because they have a system that makes the whole a bigger sum of their parts.
 

Jamturk

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There's no system to compensate for the defensive fuckups like last night. Poch didn't have a magic wand to protect against those kind of things. If you have to "protect" your CBs because they can't stay goal-side of their man, it's a personnel issue.

Isn't that what my post states?
 

Rob

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I thought you were arguing the opposite, that Poch's system protected and compensated (e.g. for Dier not being able to defend). I'm not sure how that's the case when Toby/Jan were our CBs in that system.
 

Vincent30

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If we can't defend what's the point of having mourinho. Conceding those tap ins from basic cut backs. He has every one fit and had ample time to coach them.

I'm not sure he has ever had to coach such woeful defenders like Sanchez and Serge before. 'The uncoachables'. But i do agree with the sentiment, i was expected us to be a little more solid now.
 
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Where do I am slating them? I was referring that I said judgement is still out after some meant we are now having a solid defense...
I guess you get me wrong here because I feel we pretty much think the same here.
Yeah I realised that after posting, we're coming at this from the same direction.

My apologies.
 

Spurrific

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Either you are an actual optician or an idiot. How can anyone call Levy short sighted? He wants success now, and I can't blame him, after years and years of planning and building we apparently have everything in place.

IMO, it was short-sighted because hiring a manager who is meant to "deliver trophies" implies we were on the precipice of success, we weren't. We fluked our way to the CL final through individual moments and luck. Inter should have scored against PSV in the last minute but for a last-ditch challenge that saved our campaign, lucky. City had a goal disallowed for one of their players having a pube offside, lucky again. Dortmund was basically the only game we didn't squeeze through by the skin of our teeth.

We sacked our best manager in decades for an apparent winner. The guy who is detested at almost all (maybe with the exceptions of Inter and Porto) of his former clubs. Poch stated repeatedly we needed a 'painful rebuild', Levy clearly disagreed because we have a fancy stadium. Our squad stagnated after years of non-investment and hesitancy/refusal to get rid of deadwood because Levy's valuations weren't being met. We have been lumbered with a half-squad for years and Poch delivered results in spite of this. Up until this year that is, which was the culmination of all of the club's wrong-doings and obviously mistakes on Poch's part.

It's now becoming more and more apparent that "painful rebuild" is necessary. Poch was right, Levy and 90% of the fanbase were wrong. I'm just as bad, I felt Poch had to go as well, but replacing him with this outdated clown when what is needed is an out-and-out rebuild is... You guessed it... Short-sighted. We're going to be the first club Mourinho doesn't win trophies with, unless Levy sanctions 10 plus signings in the summer and they all hit the ground running. Mourinho isn't a "project" manager and we're back at being a long-term project due to Levy's inertia in previous transfer windows. At least we have a lovely stadium though.
 

max cady

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You cannot legislate for some of the reckless rubbish we witnessed last night. Back passes going out for corners(Sissoko). Defenders having brain farts (Aurier, Sanchez & Dier). Our midfield ran about like headless chickens not one had a key to unlock the Sheff Utd door. Son & Kane where not to be seen. When Jose made replacements (Dele) I didn't realise he has come on to the pitch. What has gone wrong with Toby he was the best defender in lge not so long ago. Man u played these guys a few days earlier and ripped them to shreds.
 

Johnny J

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IMO, it was short-sighted because hiring a manager who is meant to "deliver trophies" implies we were on the precipice of success, we weren't. We fluked our way to the CL final through individual moments and luck. Inter should have scored against PSV in the last minute but for a last-ditch challenge that saved our campaign, lucky. City had a goal disallowed for one of their players having a pube offside, lucky again. Dortmund was basically the only game we didn't squeeze through by the skin of our teeth.

We sacked our best manager in decades for an apparent winner. The guy who is detested at almost all (maybe with the exceptions of Inter and Porto) of his former clubs. Poch stated repeatedly we needed a 'painful rebuild', Levy clearly disagreed because we have a fancy stadium. Our squad stagnated after years of non-investment and hesitancy/refusal to get rid of deadwood because Levy's valuations weren't being met. We have been lumbered with a half-squad for years and Poch delivered results in spite of this. Up until this year that is, which was the culmination of all of the club's wrong-doings and obviously mistakes on Poch's part.

It's now becoming more and more apparent that "painful rebuild" is necessary. Poch was right, Levy and 90% of the fanbase were wrong. I'm just as bad, I felt Poch had to go as well, but replacing him with this outdated clown when what is needed is an out-and-out rebuild is... You guessed it... Short-sighted. We're going to be the first club Mourinho doesn't win trophies with, unless Levy sanctions 10 plus signings in the summer and they all hit the ground running. Mourinho isn't a "project" manager and we're back at being a long-term project due to Levy's inertia in previous transfer windows. At least we have a lovely stadium though.
Nailed it.
 

Japhet

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There's no system to compensate for the defensive fuckups like last night. Poch didn't have a magic wand to protect against those kind of things. If you have to "protect" your CBs because they can't stay goal-side of their man, it's a personnel issue.

I know I keep harping on about so I apologise in advance, but for my money we need 3 in midfield. At present, Sissoko is spending loads of time covering Aurier which leaves big gaps in front of the CBs. They then get caught half trying to deal with stuff coming in from crosses and half trying to prevent shooting opportunities in front of goal. There should be a central midfielder doing that but Mourinho is sticking that extra player behind the strikers and leaving our central midfield short handed. Sheffield Utd just had to outpass us a few times to create 3 simple goals. It's so bloody obvious to me it's painful.
 
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